1412. Wm. Webbe, John Stone, Robt. Sowthe, and Thos. Chaffyn
to Sir Edw. Baynton.
Enclose a letter written by Thos. Browne, Black Friar of Fisherton,
now in gaol for misdemeanor, to Sir Wm. Smythe, priest of St. Thomas, in
Salisbury, chaplain to widow Joan Persse, which letter was brought by
Smith to the writers. Browne's offence appears, from his examination sent
up on Saturday by Chr. Kenyngalle, servant to my lord of Rochford. The
priest is in safe keeping, but the writers never knew him but of good demeanour.
He is but a soul priest with 10 marks a year, singing for her
friends. Salisbury, 11 Nov. Signed.
P. 1. Add. : Sir Edw. Baynton, chamberlain to the Queen's grace.
1413. Cromwell to Lord Lisle.
Has received his letters showing what contention has arisen, owing
to a lewd fellow, about a stroke given him by Sir Chr. Garnysshe, the
knight porter. The Council here, seeing that the stroke was given only
for correction, and with no intent to break any ordinance of the town,
see no cause why Sir Christopher should be molested about it. London,
I thank your Lordship for your great cheer made to my servant [Will]yam
Johnson, and to this gentleman stranger, for whom I write to you at this
P. 1. Sealed. Add. Endd.
1414. Leonard Smyth to Lady Lisle.
Sends by Mr. Kyrton, the bearer, her frontlet, which will cost 70s.
Is bound for it, as lady Lisle wished. He cannot make a standing collar for
a partlett without the measure for her neck. My Lord's counsel have
debated with Mr. Seymour and his counsel. It is thought by the law that
the best for my Lord is very naughty, as he has already written to lord
Lisle ; and that, for the saving of lord Lisle's right in the 56l. a year, these
lands were clearly left out of the recoveries, "and that lands in feoffment at
time of my Lady's death, and yet are." Mr. Seymour has searched all things
circumspectly with the craftiest counsel. Some order must be taken.
Unless lord Lisle and he agree, he will without question take the advantage
of the law. Mr. Marven is sorry that he was made of counsel so late.
Perceives that he will himself sustain little honesty by it. If lord Lisle
parts with the land for money, it will be said hereafter to be Smith's deed.
If he encourage lord Lisle to attempt the law, and he has the worst of it,
they will think his advice very slender. Is therefore in great doubt.
London, 11 Nov.
Hol., pp. 2. Add. : At Calais.
1415. Jean De Dinteville, Bailiff of Troyes, French ambassador.
See Grants in November, No. 10.
1416. The Count Palatine's Secretary.
See Grants in November, No. 11.
1417. Cromwell's Memoranda.
Things wherein we will speak with the King's highness.
First, touching the falsehood of the Freer Ryche.
Item, of the confession of Freer Resbye.
Item, what money shall be sent to Mr. Patte.
Item, for Mr. Pate's passport, and to know for how many horses.
"Item, to remember the cup that Master Hawkyns hath in the last end
of Mr. Pate's letter."
1418. Ric. Pates, Ambassador to the Emperor.
See Grants in November, No. 12.
1419. Chapuys to Charles V.
I have not ceased since my last to importune Cromwell to know this
King's resolution about the strange treatment he had proposed for the Princess
his daughter, according to what I wrote to your Majesty in my last ; but I have
been put off from day to day without an answer, Cromwell excusing himself
not so much by his own business as by that of the King. Nevertheless I
think he has no occasion, except that the King is writing for news of what
shall be determined at Marseilles ; of which, as the Queen has informed me,
my remonstrances have been the cause, otherwise the King, at the urgent
solicitation of the Lady, would have hurried on to the execution of his
purpose, which perhaps he may abandon, if the Pope keeps firm.
The count Palatine's servant, of whom I wrote, is his secretary, and told
me at dinner three days ago that your Majesty, when you were in Germany,
had provided his son with a benefice. Before coming here he visited the
court of the queen of Hungary in Flanders, and I cannot find that he had
any other charge than what I wrote, viz., to obtain dogs and horses. The
King has given him two hackneys and half-a-dozen dogs. I did not dare at
that time to put many questions to him on account of the company present,
hoping that he would come back and see me as he promised ; but either his
business, or the suspicions of the Council, have prevented him. He has denied
on oath that his master meant to marry in France, &c. He is to leave
tomorrow for Paris to see his son ; and, for all the good cheer I have made
him, has been sorry to be detained so long here on matters so unimportant.
This, I think, has been done on purpose to make people believe that they
have great intelligence with Germany. For the same reason they have
entertained a young Polish gentleman who came here with letters from the
queen regent of Flanders to the King, and who has been kept 25 days.
Their dealings with him give me some cause for suspicion, especially his
frequent visits to Cromwell.
The King has forbidden all printers to print any book respecting the entry
of the Pope into Marseilles, and the obedience shown him by the king of
France, as being contrary to the statutes and the statement put out by this
King that the king of France would adhere to his party, and pass laws more
prejudicial to the papal authority than he himself had passed. He has lately
imprisoned a nun (fn. 1) who had always lived till this time as a good, simple, and
saintly woman, and had many revelations. The cause of her imprisonment
is that she had had a revelation that in a short time this King would not only
lose his kingdom, but that he should be damned, and she had seen the place
and seat prepared for him in Hell. Many have been taken up on suspicion of
having encouraged her to such prophecies to stir up the people to rebellion.
It seems as if God inspires the Queen on all occasions to conduct herself well,
and avoid all inconveniences and suspicions ; for the Nun had been very
urgent at divers times to speak with her and console her in her great
affliction, but the Queen would never see her. Yet the Council do not desist
from making continual inquiry whether the Queen has had any communication
with her. She has no fear for herself, as she never had any, but she
fears for the marquis and marchioness of Exeter, and the good bishop of
Rochester, who have been very familiar with her.
The new French ambassador de Cattillon has arrived. The King has
asked the old Ambassador to stop till the news comes from Marseilles, as
they think that he may report that the ceremonies were not so good.
London, 12 Nov. 1533.
Hol., Fr., pp. 3. From a modern copy.
St. P. VII. 523.
1420. Vannes to Cromwell.
It is needless to write about the Pope's departure, as he will learn
all the news from the letters of others. Managed the affair of Bedyll with
great difficulty, under lead, but not for so long a time as he expected ; but
it happened that just as all were commanded to go on board, the apostolical
notary who had the business, not knowing where to find me, packed it up
with his baggage, and it could not therefore be had till he got to Rome.
Sends commendations to Lygh. Marseilles, 12 Nov. 1533.
Hol., Lat. Add.
1421. Sir William Eure to Cromwell.
The captain of Berwick has discharged Eure's servant, who lay in
Scotland, according to Cromwell's letters. Is greatly bound to Cromwell,
and offers his services. When he was discharged of the rooms he had of
the King, a decree was made by the Lord Chancellor and Norfolk that the
earl of Northumberland should pay him the money due for his fees as
lieutenant and deputy of the East and Middle Marches. He has not done
so, and the sum due is more than 80l. Begs Cromwell's help, and desires
credence for the bearer. Wytton, 12 Nov. Signed.
P. 1. Add. : The right honorable Master Thos. Cromwell. Endd.
1422. Thomas Prior Of Christchurch, Canterbury, to
Thanks him for his kindness, which has been "sith my first acquaintance
with you." Thanks him for being suffered to remain at home, and not
come to London, as he hears from John Antony. It would have been much
pain to him, as he is somewhat aged and disposed to palsy, and possibly
would never have returned. "Such things as I could call to my mind
concerning the matter of the nun Elizabeth Barton, according to your mind
and pleasure, I have caused them to be put in writing, which I do now send
unto you." "Also I do thank you for one of my brethren which I do now
send unto you, which ye were content he should 'a tarried at home if he
would, and put such things in writing as he knoweth of the said Nun's
matter." He showed me and John Antony he could put nothing in writing
which would be acceptable to Cromwell, and therefore he is sent up. Begs
Cromwell will be good to him, and send him home again, if he sees no cause
for detaining him. Canterbury, Wednesday, 12 Nov. Signed.
Pp. 2. Add. : Councillor. Sealed.
1423. The Prior Of Dunstable.
Depositions of Roger Tolye and Ric. Typlad, on the 12th November
25 Hen. VIII., in answer to interrogatories by Rob. Daldron touching a right
of way claimed by the prior of Dunstable over certain lands of the prioress
Large paper, pp. 2.
ii. Costs sustained by Rob. Daldern in Easter, Trinity, and Michaelmas
25 Hen. VIII., owing to "the wrongful vexation of Gervys, (fn. 2) prior of Dunstable,"
with his claim for damages.
Large paper, p. 1.
Vit. B. XIV. 54.
1424. [Henry VIII. to Bonner.]
"Trusty and right well[beloved]. ... provocations
... against us at ...
available form ... the law and
... and interest ... [ (fn. 3) unto the Pope] ...
our dearest broth[er] ...
protestation quod qu ... accessus, ye do therefore
... [unto the Pope's own person being (fn. 4) ]
... we have sent also now unto our D. H (?) ...
commission authorizing you by the same to exe[cute]
... accordingly. Wherein nevertheless we will and [command you]
to attempre and order all your doings accordi[ng to such advice] and
counsel as the said Bishop (fn. 5) and his said colle[agues] shall give u[nto you in
this] behalf, which we will ye shall follow as well f ... [of the said
commission or abstaining from doing the (fn. 4) ] ... the circumstances
of the doing of the same. Ye ..."
Vit. B. XIV. 77.
Burnet, VI. 56.
1425. [Bonner to Henry VIII.]
Since my last letters on the 4th inst. by Thadeus the courier, I was
commanded by my lord of Winchester and the other ambassadors to intimate,
if possible, to the Pope in person your appeal to the General Council. Repaired
with Mr. Penyston to the Pope's palace on the 7th, and succeeded after some
resistance in getting access to the chamber, where he stood between two
cardinals, De Medicis and Lorraine, ready apparelled with his stole towards the
Consistory. The Pope, whose sight is marvellous (fn. 6) quick, eyed me several
times, and I got the Datary to inform him that I wished to speak with him.
His Holiness then dismissed the Cardinals ; and, letting his vesture fall,
called me to a window, where, after reverence, I showed him I was commanded
to intimate your appeal, for which you had reasonable causes, but desired to
proceed as a good and Catholic prince. I then drew out the said writing,
excusing myself by my allegiance as he had been kind to me in times
past. "The Pope, having this for a breakfast, only pulled down his head
to his shoulders, after the Italian fashion," and said, as he was going to
Consistory, he could not wait to hear or see the writings, but desired me to
come in the afternoon. Did so accordingly with Mr. Penyston, whom I
intended to use as a witness ; but as audience was appointed for many,
among others for the ambassador of Milan, we waited an hour and a half.
At last found his Holiness alone with Godsadyn of Bononie. The Pope,
seeing that I brought one along with me, looked much upon him ; all the
more, I think, because in the morning I spoke with him alone, although
Penyston was in the chamber. To colour my intent, I told him that Penyston
was the gentleman who had brought me your commission to intimate the
appeal. The Pope, fearing that I desired a witness, said he must have
his Datary and others, and thereupon called his Datary, Symonetta, and
Meanwhile his Holiness, leaning in the window towards the west side,
turned to me, and asked how my lord of Winchester did, and also of
Mr. Brian, as if he did not know that he was here. He seemed to lament
the death of Dr. Benett, and complained of the way your Highness used
him. To which I replied by wondering that, after the kindness you had
showed his Holiness in time past, he had refused to admit your excusator,
and pronounced sentence against you. This led to a conversation about the
Pope's having revoked the cause contrary to his promise, and having refused
afterwards to let it be examined in any place to which your Highness could
come or send a proctor. I also complained of his retaining the cause so
long in his hands without judgment. The Pope said he would not have
revoked the cause, but that the Queen had given an oath that she had
no hope of justice in England, and his promise to your Highness was
qualified. As to the delay, it was owing to yourself, who would not send a
proxy. In the end I exhibited to him the commission you sent me under
your private seal (the other sent by Francis the courier not having
then arrived), which his Holiness delivered to the Datary to read. On
hearing the words gravaminibus et injuriis nobis ab eodem sanctissimo patre
illatis et comminatis, he "began to look up after a new sort, and said, O, questo
e multo vero! (this is much true), meaning that was not true indeed." In fact
he showed himself much offended at many passages, and when he came to
the words, ad sacrosanctum concilium generale proxime jam futurum legitime
et in loco congruenti celebrandum, he fell into a marvellous great choler,
which he showed both in words and manner, saying, "Why, did not the
King (meaning your Majesty), when I wrote to my Nuncio this year past to
speak unto him for this General Council, give no answer unto my said
Nuncio, but referred him for answer therein to the French king ; at what time
he might perceive by my doing (he said) that I was very well disposed and
much spake for it. The thing so standing, now to speak of a General Council,
O good Lord! But well! his commission and all other his writings cannot
but be welcome unto me." These last words methought he spoke, willing to
hide his choler, and make me believe that these doings did not affect him,
though I saw many evidences to the contrary ;—among others, one which is
here taken for infallible with those that know the Pope's conditions, viz., "that
he was continually folding up and unwinding of his handkerchief, which he
never doth but when he is tickled to the very heart with great choler ;" and
though he was loth to leave this subject of the General Council to ease his
stomach, at last he commanded the Datary to read on. At the clauses, Si
oporteat reverendis patribus, and post * * * he again chafed greatly,
finally saying, Questo e bien fatto (This is but well done). The clauses
protestundo, and nos ad ea juris et facti remedia, he caused the Datary to
read again ; and, not a little chafing with himself, asked what I had more.
I then, repeating my protestation, exhibited your Highness's "provocation,"
which he delivered to the Datary to read. In this also he found himself
much grieved, noting in the beginning, first the words archiepiscopo
Eboracensi, and afterwards citra tamen revocationem quorumcumque procuratorum ;
at which he made good pause, suspecting, I presume, that there
were proctors made who might appear in your name if you had been so content.
At the words quod non est nostrœ intentionis, he exclaimed with great
vehemence, that though you professed great respect for the Church you had
no respect for him. Scarcely a single clause pleased him, nor would he
accept any of my explanations. While the Datary was reading the provocation
Symonetta came in ; and at the words sed deinde publico judicio,
the Pope startling and saying that the public judgment of the Church was
never had, Symonetta said he supposed they spoke of that archbishop who
made that good process while the cause depended before his Holiness in the
Consistory. "Ah," said the Pope, "a worshipful process and judgment!"
Then one of his chamber came to tell him that the French king came to
speak with him ; on which he made great haste to meet him, and they met
at the door, "the French king making very low curtesy, putting off his
bonnet, and keeping it off till he came to a table in the Pope's chamber."
Although I suspect the French king knew well what was in hand, by one
Nicholas, his secretary, and also of the Pope's Privy Chamber, his Grace
asked what his Holiness did. The Pope said, "These English gentlemen
have come to intimate certain appeals." On this the vo entered into a
private conversation. The French king's back was against me, and I did not
understand what he said. At the end the Pope said to him, "This is of
your goodness." Proceeding further, and laughing merrily, they talked for
three-quarters of an hour, it being then 6 p.m., and the French king took his
leave. The Pope went with him to the chamber door, and, though Francis
objected, brought him to the door of the second chamber, where with great
ceremonies they parted. On returning to his chamber the Pope called me,
and the Datary read the rest of the provocation, interrupted many times by
the Pope with comments, to ease his own mind, especially touching the
King's late marriage with the present Queen, and the process made by
the archbishop of Canterbury. I then intimated the two appeals made
by the King before my lord of Winchester. During the reading of them
cardinal De Medicis came in, and stood bare-headed, apparently wondering
that the Pope was so much moved. The Pope said it was a matter of so
much weight that he must consult the Cardinals in Consistory. I desired
to have the documents again, to make intimation to the Cardinals. His
Holiness at first refused, but, on my insisting, said I should have an answer
to my petition, as well as to the appeal, after he had consulted the Cardinals.
I then left, about 8 o'clock, having remained more than three hours, and
reported what I had done to my lord of Winchester and the other ambassadors.
Next day, Saturday, there was Consistory, but extraordinary,
chiefly for the declaration of the new Cardinals, the bishop of Liegers, (fn. 7) the
bishop of Langres, the Great Master's nephew, and the duke of Albany's
brother. On Sunday, the 9th, I went with Penyston to the palace, and
spoke to the Datary, who said the Consistory would be next day, after which
the Pope would give me an answer. I also got Carol de Blanchis, one of
the Pope's chamberlains, to make the same inquiry of his Holiness, and
received the same answer. Went with Penyston, on Monday, the 10th, to
the ordinary Consistory, waited till every one was ordered out but the
Cardinals, and was told to come in the afternoon for an answer. Returned
in the afternoon. Waited two hours in the chamber next the Pope while
he was blessing beads, and giving his foot to be kissed, and was called in
when there were none present but Salviati and the Datary. At my coming
he said, Domine Doctor, quid vultis? I said I looked for the promised
answer. He said he had always wished to do you justice, and as to your
appeal to the General Council, there was a constitution of Pope Pius against
such appeals, and he therefore rejected it as frivolous. The Council itself
he would do his best to promote, as he had done in times past, though your
Highness had not answered him then, but remitted his Nuncio to the French
king. He added that the king of England had no authority to call a
General Council, for that belonged to himself. He refused to return the
documents, saying he would keep them safely, and that I might have as
many copies as I pleased from the bishop of Winchester and those before
whom they were made. Going with the Datary to his chamber, I saw that
the answer was already written ; but it was not so full as the Pope had made
by mouth, and not signed by the Datary, as usual. I desired him to make it
perfect, and he asked me to come for it next morning. Next morning I
followed him to the Pope's chamber, when he delivered to me the same
document, with these words added, Et hœc ad prœsens, salvo jure latius et
particularius, si videbimus, respondendi, and signed it, keeping a copy for
himself. With this I repaired to the other ambassadors.
Fears the Pope, on his return to Rome, will do much displeasure. Sends
the answer delivered by the Datary. Notwithstanding Henry's directions
in his letter dated Chobham, 10 Aug., that he should always follow the
Pope, thinks the King would not wish him to pursue the enterprise further,
and, as the Pope left for Rome on the 12th, has taken his journey towards
Lyons on the 13th, en route for England. Cannot express the anxiety he
had till this intimation was made. Refers to Mr. Brian, the bearer. Marseilles,
13 Nov. 1533.
Hol. ; now badly mutilated, but printed by Burnet before the mutilation.
f. 3 b.
2. Modern copy, made before the Fire.
1426. Francis I. and Clement VII.
Memoire des points que M. du Bellay, evesque de Paris, aura a toucher
au Roy d'Angleterre, pour imputer aux Ministres d'Augleterre la rupture
de la Negociation poursuivie par François I. vers le Pape, pour le Roy
He shall tell [the king of England] the King's determination about
starting from Marseilles, and about sending the bishop of Paris to him to
tell him all that he had concluded with the Pope, not only in what concerns
the king of England, but all that they had treated of at their meetings.
He expected the king of England to be well contented with him for passing
over his own affairs for his : but when on the point of despatching the bishop
of Paris, he heard from his ambassadors in England that, so far from his
good brother seeing the obligation under which he thought he had placed
him, he openly complained, as if Francis had done less than their friendship
required in his affair with the Pope. This is so different from the gratitude
he expected that Francis almost forgot to send the bishop of Paris with
the charge already given him, not being able to endure that one whom he
considered as himself, and with whom he thought he had settled the perpetual
foundation of an indissoluble friendship, should fall into ever so
little suspicion. Has, however, determined to send him that he may inform
the King at length of some points which perhaps have not been particularly
declared to him, and ignorance of which may have caused him to fall into
this error, and because he told Brian when he took his leave that he should
despatch the Bishop.
The Bishop must remind him that he was in the beginning one of the
principal movers in the affair of the duke of Orleans when there was a
question of the Scotch king marrying the Pope's niece. Though, perhaps,
it was not the fixed intention at first of either to carry the thing through,
they agreed at Calais that it should be proceeded with without dissimulation,
especially if the Pope would come to France (mesmement la ou S. S.
voudroit venir de par deça). Thus the matter was so far concluded, that
the French king could do nothing but finish it, unless he wished to be
esteemed faithless. Any one who wished to make him withdraw now
would hold his faith and honor very cheap. Would be always ready to
expose anything that only concerns life, for his friends, and especially for
those who are imprinted in his heart by friendship, like the King. He
must also be reminded how much the French king hoped to do for him
by causing the Pope to come hither, and how important Henry thought it ;
the trouble and expence he has incurred in carrying out the resolution
taken at Calais, on which was founded the despatch of the French cardinals,
of which Henry was the principal author.
It must not be forgotten that since the arrival of the Cardinals matters
improved so much that the king of England showed himself grateful, while
waiting that something better might be done. The Pope promised to take
no new steps in his case, if Henry would act similarly. His Holiness has
kept this promise, but Henry has made such important innovations that no
one could expect Francis to be able to prevent the Pope retaliating as he
has done. And it will be well here to refer to the wrong which Henry
has done to Francis. The Bishop may also tell the King that no one could
understand his affairs worse than he and his servants do. If they had been
managed as seemed good to the two Kings at Calais, or if the King had
allowed that to be redressed which was afterwards spoiled, the Pope would
have lost the means he still has of gratifying the Emperor in the King's
affair, and would have been obliged to gratify the King, and consequently
put himself in direct opposition to the Emperor. Now, however little
desire he has of remaining bound to the Emperor, the king of England
has given him the means, so that now the Pope will have good occasion to
vindicate himself to the Emperor as having done nothing to gratify the
King, and it may be said has himself given his Holiness an excuse, of which
he would have been slow to avail himself otherwise.
The Bishop must also remind the king of England that he was at first
minded to be present at the interview, but, not finding it convenient, said
he would send some one to take his place, and to be as a second self ; that
is, the duke of Norfolk, the reason for whose return should be got at. Also
it must not be omitted that when Norfolk and the King's other servants
thought it impossible to remedy the sentence given at Rome, it was shown
them that it could still be done, if some one with sufficient power was at
the interview. Norfolk was so pressed to advise the king of England of
this, that neither the King nor his Council doubted that it would be done.
The manner in which Francis took the matter up deserved some cooperation
on the part of those whom it touched so near. The bishop of Winchester,
who was sent on Norfolk's arrival in England, said he had come to do all
that Francis ordered him, but he brought with him nothing that was necessary
for doing anything. Nevertheless, Francis, thinking more of his friendship
for Henry than of the evident errors committed, practised so far with
the Pope as to cause him to consent to do everything that could be devised
for the satisfaction of Henry. In this matter he used so much sincerity
and patience that he would not enter into any negotiation with the Pope
about their common affairs until this was settled. There was so much
delay that a new power could easily have been sent from England ; and the
bishop of Winchester said that he had asked for one, but after long waiting
there was neither power nor will, nor anything to help Francis in executing
his good wishes. Few princes or persons of lower estate would not be at
last tired of seeing so little value put on their labour, but Francis could
not on this account allow Henry's affair to be broken off for the want of
good servants. He continued his practices more actively than ever, and
had got to a point which the Bishop can explain. When going to the Pope
one evening he found that the English agents had signified to him their
appeal, and intimated the Council, which, not without cause, put him in the
greatest despair and anger. The King also is annoyed to find a week's
work undone by Henry's agents in an hour. It is not only strange conduct,
but insulting, that they should defy a guest of his, which they confess
they would not have dared to do if his Holiness were elsewhere. If it had
not been for this defiance, and the anger they put the Pope in, it was settled
that he would come to some determination which would in great part have
contented the king of England. As to this point, the Spanish doctor must
not be forgotten.
The Bishop may declare how sorry the King is to see his friend's affairs
so managed, and the loss it has been to himself ; for since the rupture he
has not liked to press for the delivery of Leghorn, Parma, and Placentia,
which were offered to him, so that, from respect to his friend and to his
word, he has, as it were, taken a girl with no portion for his second son,
which he has willingly borne, and thinks it strange that he receives only
discontent and complaint. The Bishop must not forget to speak of the
danger that the Pope should think the conduct of the English agents was
by Francis's consent, for they were not there to treat with the Pope, but
to do what Francis commanded them. He must say also to the King that
he must not suppose that Francis has so little judgment as not to see, from
the talk he had with the ambassadors at Marseilles, that Henry did not
wish anything to be done about his affair with the Pope. When he charged
them with it, they assented and smiled ; but, for all this, he did not cool in
his good will, as some friends might have done ; for it is very hard to bear,
to do all one can for a friend, and get neither liking nor thanks, but, on the
contrary, disgust and suspicion. The Bishop may here say to Henry, as
if of himself, that if he wishes to keep the friendship of the most powerful
King and best friend in Christendom, he must not behave in this strange
and suspicious way. Similarly he has never ceased to complain of the
negotiations between Francis and the king of Scots, though Francis's sole
object has been to divert him from alliance with the Emperor, and prevent
him from doing anything disadvantageous to the King.
The Bishop must not omit to mention the offer which the Pope made,
to cause the duchy of Milan to be put into his hands, if he would leave the
Emperor and his Holiness to deal with the king of England ; to which he
replied, that he would never abandon him, whoever attacked him, and tried
to induce the Pope to forget what had passed, and arrange the affair so as
to content both.
After all this, and hearing what the king of England has to say, he must
try to reconcile the King with the Pope and the Apostolic See, offering to
make a defensive league between the three. If he will do nothing of this
kind, the Bishop may intimate to him that Francis will be ready to aid
him, if war is declared against him, in consequence of the marriage and the
censures, if he will do the like according to the treaties. According to
what Beauvais told Henry, Francis intends to proceed with the marriage
of the king of Scotland, so as to gain an enemy who might give him
trouble, and proposes an interview with the king of England for next spring,
at which James would be present, and a defensive league might be concluded
between the three Sovereigns. He requests Henry to send some
other than the bishop of Winchester, whom he has found not possessed of
good will, and he does not think he intends the good of either.
151, f. 192.
1427. Gardiner [and others] to [Henry VIII.]
"— then needeth, but if my brother thinketh it expedient for him to
have the Pope for him, as he told me himself he did, he may not think that the
Pope, holding his peace at a sentence given by the archbishop of Canterbury,
will confess himself therein no Pope, and be made such a fool as he will apply to
lose his preeminence and authority by entreaty." As to the marriage [Francis
continued], I had found means to stop that ; but as to the Archbishop's sentence,
I was never made privy thereunto, and I was sorry when I heard of it.
Assure my brother that till that sentence is annulled he will never obtain the
Pope ; but for defence of his jurisdiction, the Pope will call the help of the
Emperor and all Christendom. "And yet," said he, "if you had brought a
proxy as was devised, to acknowledge the Pope's jurisdiction, it would have
been well." "That proxy," quoth I, the bishop of Winchester, "is not so
necessary." "No!" quoth he, "ye will have me do for you, and when I and
my Council devise after what way we may do, ye regard us not therein, but
of yourself do think (i.e. thing) clearly contrary ; and as fast as I study to win
the Pope, ye study to lose him, and of such effect as in your intimation now
made, yet to the worst purpose that could be devised, which, if I had known
before, ye should never have done it." "I went," quoth he, "to the Pope to
take a conclusion in your matters, and when I came there I found one making
the intimation ; which, when the Pope had told me of what sort it was, I was
greatly ashamed," quoth he, "that I knew so little in it. And the Pope
whom I had handled before, and brought to so good point that I could not,
for shame, desire any more." "Ye see," quoth he, "the effect of all your
desires. They refuse that should receive. The king of England will not
that I shall meddle in it." I, the bishop of Winton, desired the French king
first to remember that, whatsoever it be that is done, we told him of it before,
and with his consent have done it. "Ye told me of it," quoth he, "but I
understood not so far as I do now." "Ye require," quod he, "a General
Council, and that the Emperor desireth, and I go about to bring the Pope
from the Emperor, and you to drive him to him. And can my brother call a
Council alone?" quoth he. "Ye have clearly marred all." And, wringing his
hands, wished that, rather than a great deal of money, he had never meddled
in that matter. "I desired," quoth he, "to have a proxy sent, and that was
not only left behind, but also, in lieu of that, an intimation sent." "Sir,"
quoth I, the Bishop, "there is more foundation made upon this proxy than
needeth." "Why so?" quoth the French king ; "was it not ever meant so
first," quoth he, "my brother should save —"
Copy, pp. 2, imperfect. Endd. : Winton l'res.
1428. Lawson to Cromwell.
Master Wyntar has written to Thos. Barton for the payment of his
money due at this audit, as appears by his accounts with Mr. Fuller, the
auditor. Requests him to make the exchange for Mr. Wyntar, and Lawson
will bring him the money shortly after Christmas. The sum is less than
100l. York, 13 Nov.
Hol., p. 1. Add. Endd.
1429. Richard Conquest to Cromwell.
His living has been taken from him by the King, and he is like to be
famished, as he has been put in ward these 12 days, having no money to buy
meat. Mrs. Warden (fn. 8) has trusted me for 45 weeks' commons, but will trust
no longer. Would be glad to be at the yeoman's commons. Is there by
Cromwell's commandment. "If the King have great pleasure to my lands,
I will show you my mind, if it please you to send one of your servants to
P.S.—Take a short redress for me, or else I am like to be destroyed. "If
I so be, I will put it betwixt God and you at the Day of Judgment, and a
many as consent to it."
Hol., p. 1. Add. : Of the Council.
Vesp. C. XIII.
1430. William Pepwell to Cromwell.
Sends a small barrel of sodden wine by Wm. Caplen, master of the
Voluntyn Spert. When last in England told the King and Cromwell of the
imprisonment of Matthew Lambart and Robt. Dothyerne. They are now at
liberty upon sureties. A judge has been sent from the Emperor's court at
the cost of those who may be found guilty, and a sentence is passed that
Richard Cowper was more guilty than any other. Supposes that the sentence,
drawn up in English and Spanish by a "scryvan publyco," will be presented
to Cromwell. There is news here that the Pope is in Marseilles, and
the French king with him. Some say the second son of France will marry
a near kinsman of the Pope's. The Emperor is at Saragossa, and will wait
till he knows what passes between the Pope and the French king. Some
say he will go and see his mother in High Castile. Will send news as he
has opportunity. Englishmen have been well treated, and their ships quietly
laden. Sends a copy of a sentence which is said to have been given by the
Pope. Copied it himself from a copy sent from the Emperor's court. Sends
a hogshead of "soden" for the King, according to his Highness's command,
and certain "anymes blanco." Has written to his brother to see that it be
delivered. St. Lucar de Barameda, 15 Nov.
Hol., pp. 2. Add. : To, &c. Master Cromel, of the King's Privy Council.
1431. Anthoine Du Val to [Lord Lisle?].
I understand some report has been made to you of Mrs. Peronnelle,
who was to have brought you some young boars (marquasin), that she had
found them dead. I assure you it is not the case, but that they were
strangled by the dogs, and I have eaten of their liver. Tournehen. 15 Nov.
Fr., p. 1. Add. : A Monseigneur.
1432. Jenne De Saveuzes (Madame De Riou) to Lord Lisle.
Your daughter, (fn. 9) whom you were pleased to send me, arrived on
Thursday night. I cannot express my thanks for the confidence you show
in me. I will treat her like my own daughter. As to the remuneration of
which you wrote, Mons. de Ryou and I desire no other remuneration than
your friendship. The young lady is one who can be easily taught. The
young lady who brought her can report what apparel she requires, and so
will John Semet (Smith?) ; but let him return (mais quy s'en retourne).
I send no commendations from Mons. de Ryou, because he is not here,
but thank you in his behalf for the dogs you have sent. Pont de Remy,
15 Nov. Signed.
Fr., p. 1. Add.
1433. John Abbot Of Hyde, Elect of Bangor, to Lady Lisle.
I have received several letters, but not answered them, as the messengers
have not returned. There is no news worth writing. I am elect
bp. of Bangor, with the abbey of Hyde in commendam. Mr. Dr. Lye is
elect bp. of Chester. The Pope and French king are met at Marseilles.
Our holy Nun of Kent has confessed her treason against God and the King,
—that is, not only a traitress, but a heretic. She and her accomplices are like
to suffer death. I will send for Mr. George at my return to Winchester.
Commendations to lord Lisle. Southwark, St. Edmund's Day, the Bishop.
P. 1. Add.
8,527, f. 52.
1434. Suffolk to Montmorency.
Credence for the bearer, a confidential servant sent on private affairs
of importance, in which Montmorency's assistance is confidently relied on.
Southwark, near London, 16 Nov. 1533. Countersigned : Saint Martin.
V. 33, f. 19.
1435. Castillon to the Bishop Of Paris.
The bailly of Troyes leaves tomorrow to return to France, by whom
I will write more at length. I only mention here that the king of England
begins to cool much in his friendship towards Francis, seeing he has proceeded
so coldly with the Pope, considering the alliance that has so long
subsisted between them. Moreover, he is determined to withdraw both
himself and his country from the obedience of the Pope, and cause the Word
of God to be preached everywhere, fully believing that Our Lord will aid his
right. This is a bad example for other princes, but most of the lords are
already much inclined to it. London, 17 Nov.
Hol. From a copy lent by Mr. Friedmann.
1436. [Lord Lisle] to [Sir] Anthony Windsor.
I have received your letters with the foot of my account signed by
my auditor. As to the difference between Sir Edw. Seymour and me, I gave
my instructions to my servant, Leonard Smythe, at his departing, and I
enclose the last letter received from him. My whole trust is in Mr. Marvin
and Mr. Densill, and in your good information, in following my said causes.
I mean to keep possession of the 56l. a year as long as the law will bear it,
and as much more as my friends and I can make. Let me know, after consulting
with my counsel, what the law will bear, and keep this letter close,
for I rather suspect Smythe, whose brother married Sir Edw. Seymour's
sister. I wonder Sir Edw. now claims the 56l. more than the 80l. remaining
of the 140l. he demanded, for I have as much right to the one as the other.
As to his offer of 500l. to release the whole 140l., I have lived too long to
make so simple a merchandise. Enquire of my auditor the bills and particulars
of the 139l. 13s. 7½d. he puts as paid before my coming over, for I
cannot remember a great part of it ; and deliver to Rob. Fouler the 44l. 12s. 8d.
remaining of my audit, with the odd money, desiring him to write hither to
his brother, Thomas Fouler, to pay it to me. I have written to Mr. Mervyn
and Mr. Dinsell. Calais, 17 Nov. 1533.
Keep my patent of Claringdon, delivered to you by my Lord Chief Baron, till
I send you more of my mind. You may also retain Mr. Chomley if Mr. Semer
has not got him.
Draft, pp. 2. Begins : Master Windsor.
1437. John [Capon], Elect of Bangor, to Lord Lisle.
Had written in favor of his kinsman Richard Capon, stockfishmonger
of London, to whom Rob. Candler, a gunner of Calais, is indebted. At my
house in Southwark, 17 Nov.
Has written to lady Lisle. Signed : John abbot of Hyde, elect of Bangor.
P. 1. Add.
27,447, f. 75.
1438. Eleanor Lady Rutland to Sir Wm. Paston.
Has heard that the Holy Woman of Kent has been examined by the
Council, "whiche is on of the most abhomynableste matiers that ever I herde
of in my lif ; as shalbe publisshed openly to all people within thies thre of
(or) foure dayes at the furthest."
Has not yet heard of the coming home of my lord of Winchester. Tomorrow
my lord William goes beyond sea. Hallywell, 17 Nov. Asks for
his and her mother's daily blessing. Signed.
P.S. by the earl of Rutland.—Recommends himself, and will shortly send
P. 1. Add. : To my very good father, Sir Wm. Paston. Endd.
1439. Thomas Prior Of Christchurch, Canterbury, to Cromwell.
Has received his letter, dated London, 12 Nov., by Brian Talbot, and,
according to his request and the writer's former letters, has promised to continue
him as keeper of the park. For his goods that were seized he shall have
as much favor as he himself desires. Canterbury, 17 Nov. Signed.
P. 1. Add. : Councillor.
1440. W. Knyghte to Cromwell.
At my late being at Court I was desirous to have opened my mind to
you, and you would have come to my house if the time had served. Not
knowing when you will be at leisure I thought it expedient to write, and the
more so because at my late being at Court the lords of Norfolk and Suffolk
promised to stick by me, and said it was well for me to open the matter to
you, as they knew that you favored me. As archdeacon of Richmond, I
have had, like all my predecessors, episcopal jurisdiction ; but my Lord (the
Archbishop) that now is, deals very uncharitably with me. Immediately
after he entered my diocese, he called my official before me, and handled
him unjustly. Because he refused to obey him, he cursed my official, who
is now absolved in the Court of Arches. I have to prosecute my appeal,
and, what with sending to Rome for a rescript, it will be a great chargé.
The Archbishop seeks to annul my jurisdiction. If you would get me a
letter signed, of which I send you the minute by my servant Cuthbert, I
should be your perpetual bedesman. Westm., Friday morning.
Hol., pp. 2. Add. : Of the Council.
18 ? Nov.
1441. Edw. Lee, Archbishop of York, to Cromwell.
I thank you for your mediation for me to the King, of which my
cousin Baynton has written. I desire your help again. I have received an
injunction from the Lord Chancellor, forbidding me to interrupt the archdeacon
of Richmond in his jurisdiction on pain of 1,000l. The matter
between me and the Archdeacon is no part of jurisdiction, and, if it were, neither
custom nor composition can discharge me from examining those for whose
ability I must answer, and for whom the canons punish me if I order (ordain)
any unable. I pray you, put to your hand again and help, for the advancement
of good order, which only I intend. The Archdeacon is not content to
send for a delegate to Rome, but would set my lord of Canterbury and me
together, and now brings me into the Chancery. It is likely he has little
trust in his cause, who seeks so many ways to promote it. I am only
defendant, and whenever he shall have his matter before a judge who can
skill of it, and is indifferent, I trust he will win nothing at length. I pray
that the injunction may be discharged. I doubt not the Chancellor will
soon do it at your request. Cawod, "xvviijth of November 1533."
If the Archdeacon will put his matters to arbiters, I will be content to do
Hol., p. 1. Add. Endd.
28,586, f. 65.
1442. The Captain Of Marrano to Lopez De Soria.
The captain-general in Croatia, named Kechovitz, has taken two of
Gritti's traitors (duos ex proditoribus Gritti), who said that Gritti had
entered into a new treaty with the kings of England and France in the name
of the Turk, to the detriment of the Emperor, the king [of the Romans],
and all Christendom, and that he intended to invade Croatia, Sclavonia, and
Hungary with Turkish troops paid by the French king. He is also
endeavouring to raise sedition in Germany, by means of the dukes of
Bavaria and Wirtemberg and the count of Hesse.
Lat., pp. 2, modern copy. Headed : Ex literis capitanei Marrani, datis
19 Nov. 1533.
1443. Anthoine Brusset to Lord Lisle.
I beg you will arrest a Spaniard who calls himself Ylayre, or St. Ylayre,
who has a red nose covered with pimples, like a leper, the accomplice of
another Spaniard in slaying my lieutenant on the march of this town.
Gravelines, 19 Nov. 1533.
Hol., Fr., p. 1. Add.
1444. Athelney Abbey.
See Grants in November, No. 20.
1445. Chapuys to Charles V.
States briefly the substance of his letters to the Emperor up to this
Cromwell has shown himself well disposed to your subjects, which is very
important, as he rules everything. This morning I sent to the Queen to
advertise her of what you had written to me touching the proceedings of the
Pope in your affair, begging she would agree to them ; for she would not be
prejudiced by them, and would the better convince the King. In the event
of his not accepting it, there could be no greater good for her and the
After my message to the Queen, it seemed to me wise, to avoid losing
time, to let the English know with what good affection you have proceeded
in this matter, and the desire I have to please them. I have sent to Cromwell
to advertise him of the charge I have received from you, and that I supposed
that the Pope had promoted this arrangement at the request of the King, and
that you had commanded me to learn the wishes of the Queen, as she is
specially touched by it. And, if the King and Council would frankly accept
this arrangement, I would use my endeavours to persuade the Queen to
accept it. Before he would allow my man to speak to him, thinking he had
come for an answer touching the affairs of the Princess, Cromwell told him
he had spoken with the King, who would be glad to speak to me on Sunday
next. After he had heard my man, he praised marvellously the goodwill of
your Majesty, and the good offices I had continually done ; and he excused
himself from giving me advice touching my charge, as no one could manage it
better than myself. And though he had informed the King of it, it would
be better debated between the King and myself, and the King would take it
in better part ; meanwhile he would prepare the matter. My man could not
perceive by these words whether he had any hope that the King would
acquiesce in the said arrangement, and he made no reply to the remark that
the King ought to be well informed how that the Pope had solicited your
Majesty upon this.
The King has assembled the principal judges, and many prelates and
nobles, who have been employed three days, from morning to night, to
consult on the crimes and superstitions of the Nun and her adherents ; and
at the end of this long consultation, which the world imagines is for a more
important matter, the Chancellor, at a public audience, where were people
from almost all the counties of this kingdom, made an oration how that all
the people of this kingdom were greatly obliged to God, who by His divine
goodness had brought to light the damnable abuses and great wickedness of
the said Nun and of her accomplices, whom for the most part he would not
name, who had wickedly conspired against God and religion, and indirectly
against the King, whom he lauded to the skies as a prince without a peer.
He praised also the general devotion to the King of the whole realm, who
knew him to be rightly divorced from the Queen, whom he called Princess
Dowager, and that the most lawful marriage he had made with this lady was
not for his own gratification, but to procure a lawful successor in the kingdom ;
and that they must not treat as of any account whatever a certain
invalid sentence said to have been given by the Pope against the King ;
because his Holiness had been induced to pass it by improper means, and
especially by the diabolic plot of the said Nun, who had written to him a
thousand false persuasions ... which she authorised in a spirit of
prophecy and divine revelation in case he did not give sentence.
Up to this point no one dared to say a word, or make the smallest sign of
pleasure or displeasure. But on the Chancellor proceeding to say that the
Nun and her accomplices in her detestable malice, desiring to incite the people
to rebellion, had spread abroad and written that she had a divine revelation
that the King would soon be shamefully driven from his kingdom by his own
subjects, some of them began to murmur, and cry that she merited the fire.
The said Nun, who was present, had so much resolution that she showed not
the least fear or astonishment, clearly and openly alleging that what the
Chancellor said was true. At the end he declared that the late archbishop
of Canterbury and many other great personages were mixed up in these
affairs, and many were still alive, who were infected, whom the world would
know hereafter. Many believe that those who have the said Nun in hand
will make her accuse many unjustly in order to take vengeance on the Queen's
party, and get money from them, which is the thing he thinks most of in the
world. The said Nun has been almost entirely under the keepership of
Cromwell or his people, and is continually treated as a stupid (?) lady (grosse
dame), which strongly confirms the above-named suspicion. The chief
business still remains ; for the King insists "a plus non pouvoir," that the
said accomplices of the Nun be declared heretics for having given faith to
her, and also be guilty of high treason for not having revealed what concerned
the King ; consequently their goods should be confiscated. To which
the judges during the last three days will not agree, as being without any
appearance of reason, even as to the last, since the Nun a year ago had told
the King of it in person. It is to be feared, however, that they will do that
which the King desires, as they did when they condemned the Cardinal for
having received his legateship.
Five days ago the King's Council by letters patent commanded the
clerks of the Queen's chamber to give up the keys of it, wherein are many
title deeds and documents respecting her demesnes and dowry. It is in the
great house of Westminster, near the others, where the King has similar
documents. To obtain these keys Cromwell two days ago summoned the
Queen's chancellor and her receiver, swearing to them by his loyalty that
although it was so stated in the patents he did not know why the King demanded
the keys, and he would learn the reason ; and so he would see that
no harm was done to the Queen. And he said he had used all the devices
possible to draw from the Nun whether the Queen had had any intelligence
with her, but he could find none, and he praised her greatly for not allowing
the Nun to speak with her. He said further that God must have given
her her sense and wit.
A despatch has arrived from Marseilles from the King's ambassador,
which does not appear to have brought pleasant news, to judge by faces.
The brother of the duke of Norfolk was despatched, as some think, to
France ; but, as far as I learn, only to represent the King as godfather to
Madame d'Alençon. The ambassador of France takes his leave, whether
satisfied or not I cannot tell. London, 20 Nov. 1533.
Hol., Fr., pp. 6. From a modern copy.