Henry VIII
August 1544, 21-25

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'Henry VIII: August 1544, 21-25', Letters and Papers, Foreign and Domestic, Henry VIII, Volume 19 Part 2: August-December 1544 (1905), pp. 54-61. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=80330 Date accessed: 18 April 2014. Add to my bookshelf


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August 1544, 21-25

21 Aug.120. Wriothesley to Bp. of Ely.
Harl. MS.
7,041, f. 139.
B. M.
Perceives by letters from the University (fn. 1) that he and others, the commissioners for the musters, doubt whether the University is comprised in their charge or privileged as it claims to be. Considering the explanation made by the Council at last musters, whose letters the University have doubtless shown, marvels at this scruple, and that anyone should interrupt privileges which the King has allowed. Advises him and the commissioners to leave them in quiet. Ely Place, 21 Aug. 36 Hen. VIII.
Modern copy, pp. 2. Subscribed as "sent from the lord Chancellor of England to the bp. of Ely, head commissioner for the musters."
21 Aug.121. The Council with the Queen to Shrewsbury.
Shrewsb. MS.,
A., p. 133.
Heralds'
College.
Stevenson's
"Selections,"
8.
(Maitl. Club.)
Bearer the lord of Fyve, "being despatched from the King's Majesty and having his passport by the Queen's Highness," now repairs towards Scotland. Pray take order for his passage by land or sea. Hampton Court, 21 Aug. 1544. Signed by Cranmer, Wriothesley, Westminster, and Petre.
P 1. Add.
21 Aug.122. Chapuys to the Queen of Hungary.
The letter noticed in Spanish Calendar, VII., No. 188, is of the 21st April. See Part i. No. 365.
123.The Siege of Boulogne.
MS. Cantab.
Dd. xiv. 30.
No. 3.
"A notebook of the steward of some nobleman (fn. 2) in the reign of Henry VIII., living at Lydingetone; among which are some historical notices of the expedition to France, 36 Hen. VIII."
A diary of events from 3 July to 21 Aug.
22 Aug.124. R. de Framezelles to Henry VIII.
R. O.As the King my master wishes to speak with the Sieur de Sainct Martin, in order to understand better the letters which he has written, if you would give him leave to go thither you would do a pleasure to the King my master. From the camp before Monstruel, 22 Aug.
French. Hol., p. 1. Add.: Au Roy.
125. The Sieur de S. Martin.
R. O.
St. P., x. 24.
The King of France prayed the King of England to communicate with the Emperor with a view to making peace between the Emperor and France; which the King of England has done. The Sieur de Frameselle, bringer of the said letters, said the King of France told him he would rather die than have the matter moved by any other than the King of England; and yet that King knows that the King of France has moved it to the Emperor by the bailiff of Dyjon, the lieutenant of the Count de Bryenne, and a Cordelier named Gougemen, and likewise by the Admiral. Framezelle has sent a letter (ungnez myssyvez) to the King of England for licence to take the Sieur de Saynct Martyn with him to the King of France, to explain and excuse himself touching certain letters (quelques myssyvez) which St. Martin sent the King of France without the King of England's knowledge. Framozelle, at the camp of Monstroeul, told St. Martin that the King of France sent him to know why St. Martin asked for hostages to [be] delivered to the King of England; and St. Martin replied that he would not tell the reasons, and that what he did was of himself without the king of England's knowledge, maintaining that he wrote to the King of France, not that the things were said by the King of England, but that they were his own opinion. Framezelle, to prove his quarrel, then exhibited a little byllet written in St. Martin's hand containing all the offers made to the King of England by the King of France, sent by St. Martin with the aforesaid letters, by reason of which offers St. Martin had asked for the hostages from the King of France. And Framezelle said to St. Martin that if the King of England would have hostages for these offers he would undertake that the King of France would send them, and even a prince of the realm. Nevertheless Framezelle has sent a byllet to the King of England quite contrary to his promise made to St. Martin; by reason of which the King of England could not understand that the King of France wished for peace. Therefore, the King of England esteems Framezelle to be no personage for such important affairs; and has commanded St. Martin to say 'to the King of France that, if he really desires peace with the Emperor, the King of England wishes him not to send Framezelle, but some prince or other notable personages with full power.
French. Draft, pp. 3. Endd. by Paget: A memoriall for St. Marten goyng to the French king.
2. St. Martin's Explanation.
St. Martin answers that he did not write of the King's mouth but of his own head, the words "Je prens sur ma vie, Sire, que l'amitye dentre vous et luy ne fut jamais si grande qu'elle sera moyennant qu'il plaise a Dieu vous trouver parensemble." And where "he" (fn. 3) wrote that it would be well to send one of the Princes or other sufficient gentlemen to the King of England "I" wrote that, not of the mouth of the said King of England, but of my own wish for the amity; and likewise touching the hostages to remain with the King of England as long as the Kings were together "ont este aussi escript de la teste propre de moy led. St. Martyn, et non poynt de la bouche dud. sr Roy." So likewise, he wrote these words, viz. "que vous nayes si bon fiance en luy comme il vouldroit avoir en vous." But the King of England said that although Framozeles told him you would rather die than practise in any fashion with the Emperor, he well knows that you have practised with the Emperor by the bailly of Dejeon, by the lieutenant of the comte de Bryenne, by Longavalle, and by a friar named Gouseman, "par lequel on peult veior qu'il ne vas pas a si bon pied comme led. Sr Roy pensoit." And this is all that the King commanded him to say. Signed: Nicollas de Marcques.
French, in Paget's hand, p. 1.
23 Aug.126. The Council with the Queen to Lennox.
Add. MS.
32,655, f. 152.
B. M.
Hamilton
Papers,
ii, No. 308.
Eight days past we had word from the King's camp that the laird of Fyve was despatched towards Scotland with letters (copy enclosed). We sent the copy to Bewmaries, but you were embarked 4 or 5 hours before the post arrived there. Commendations to Glinkarn and Kyllmawres.
Draft by Petre, p. l. (fn. 4) Endd.: M. to therle of Lynoux, xxiijo Augusti 1544.
23 Aug.127. Sir Ant. Knyvett and Others to the Council with the Queen.
R. O.Wrote last for 800l. for the fortifications, and have received a letter from Nic. Launder (by whom they wrote) that, upon knowledge who should receive the money and the sending of men to conduct it hither, the Council will pay it. Have appointed Launder to receive it and sent a sufficient number of men for its safe conducting; and desire its speedy delivery, for this is pay day, when some of the, workmen should have been discharged, and the longer these men take in conducting the money the more charge they shall put the King to.
On Monday afternoon last (fn. 5) arrived a little French fisher boat of 4 tons which eight English ship masters (who have been prisoners in Hartflete since Candlemas was twelve months and escaped out of prison on Saturday night last) had escaped in. In the boat were nets and other fishing things. Now (since the men went home to their wives) the writers have considered that they should have sent them up to be examined. Enclose a bill of their names and dwellings.
Divers French boats of war have been haunting the coasts of Sussex, the south side of Wight, and so Westwards, and have taken some 40 small boats, fishermen and the like, "that used to go alongst the shore from port to port." Hearing this, the writers rigged and manned at their own cost a small pinnace of 25 tons and a scallop of 10 tons, which departed hence on Tuesday morning last. They were anchored before Arundell haven on Wednesday, (fn. 6) when a French boat of Dieppe, one of those which has done most barm, coming from Shoreham where she had chased an Englishman aground, thinking them to be merchantmen or passengers, made betwixt them and the shore. But, when she came near and perceived them to be men of war, she fled and they pursued so fiercely that the Frenchmen, by bearing too much sail, ran themselves under water and sank and were all drowned save a man and a boy. Our men weighed the French scallop or boat and brought her into Arundell haven; and this morning we have sent to victual and man her to join the other two. Have sent for the French man and boy, and will send up the man for examination, who has confessed that the boat left Dieppe on Sunday last. Beg that he may be returned after examination, that they may make their profit of him, "as reason is," considering their charges. Portismouth, 23 Aug. Signed: Antony Knyvet: Ric. Caurden d. Cicestr'n: John Chaderton.
Pp. 4. Fly leaf with address lost. Endd.: Sr Antony Kne[vet] etc. to the Counsail attend, upon the Quene, xxiij Augti. 1544.
23 Aug.128. Shrewsbury and Others to the Queen and Council.
Add. MS.
32,655, f. 156.
B. M.
Hamilton
Papers,
ii., No. 310.
Enclose letters from the Borders describing exploits in Scotland by the garrisons. On Thursday last (fn. 7) Shrewsbury and Sadler met the wardens, by appointment, at Morpeth, and devised to keep the Scots waking and destroy their corn when the time comes. She will shortly hear that the Scots are not suffered to sleep. A writing herewith subscribed by Androw Carre of Farnyherst, and addressed to the warden of the Middle Marches, shows what large offers he makes to get home, but we doubt much how he would observe them. Enclose a packet of letters taken in the Frythe by the captains on the sea, with their letter to the lord Admiral.
As they lately wrote, the garrisons are paid to 26 Aug. Sadler has this day delivered to Uvedale, the under-treasurer, all money that remained in his hands, making enough to furnish next pay down to 22 Sept.; after which but 200l. will remain here, so that a better furniture must be remembered in time if the garrisons are to continue. Darneton, 23 Aug. 1544. Signed by Shrewsbury, Tunstall and Sadler.
Pp. 2. Add. Endd.
23 Aug.129. The Council with the King to the Council with the Queen.
R. O.We have seen your letter "to me the Secretary" concerning the sending of 500 more pioneers from London; and the King is pleased with your proceedings. Whereas, in our former letters "to your lordship and the rest of the Council there," we wrote that, for the conveyance of the lead, 14 hoys were appointed to be sent hence to Lynne, Boston and Newe Castell, the King has now appointed the said hoys to be discharged, as well as all the vessels you ordered there for the same, for considerations shown in a letter out of Flanders which "I the Secretary" send you. Your "Lordship" shall have all the lead ready at the sea side to be conveyed over as occasion serves, and shall devise that none is conveyed over "but through his Majesty's hands," and shall also appoint Legge to discharge the two ships appointed for the waftage. We have received all the ordnance and munitions we wrote to you for, and all our pioneers to the number of 1,800.
Draft, p. 1. Endd.: M. of a l're from the Counsaill to the Counsaill attendaunte upon the Quenes grace, xxiij° Augti 1544.
23 Aug.130. The Queen of Hungary to De Courrieres and Chapuys.
R. O.
[Spanish
Calender,
vii. 189.]
After having seen the two letters which the Emperor writes them, of the 18th inst., by one of which it is remitted to her to add to or diminish the contents of them, she can add nothing, knowing that De Courrieres and Chapuy's will use them according to the Emperor's intention and with due dexterity and diligence. Finds that, instead of the King of England's answer to Framezelle, two copies of the offers have been enclosed by mistake. Desires to know soon how the King takes the Emperor's grant of safeconduct to the Admiral of France, and what they can learn of the King's intention.
Fr. Modern transcript of the original minute at Vienna, p. 1. Original headed: A Courrieres et Chapuys, du xxiiie d'Aougst 1544.
23 Aug.131. Carne to Henry VIII.
R. O.The 20th inst. came to me Stephen van Hassynberk, your Majesty's servant "as he saith," saying that he had a matter touching you wherein he desired advice, viz. that certain Scots were in the East country about Denmark seeking men to serve in Scotland against you, and the king of Denmark had now dismissed many men who were ready to serve anywhere, and you might have them, for he (Stephen) was able to gain the man in best credit among them. There were two Scots who were offering large money, and to make the man a lord in Scotland who would help to convey their intended provision of men thither. Told him to enquire who the Scots were and to whom in Scotland they belonged, how many men they wished (who were reported to have said that they had money enough for 20,000) and where in Scotland they would land; and asked the man's name whom he could bring to Henry's service. He answered that he had this knowledge through "another who would not be known." Offered, when he had tried out these things, to write in his favour to Henry; and advised him to go himself to Henry or the Council. Next day, the 21st, he returned, saying that one of the Scots was a priest who offered much for help to convey certain things out of France to Scotland; also he said that he himself, being lately in Denmark, learnt that certain ambassadors of Scotland, then there, made suit to have the King of Denmark's brother to be king in Scotland on condition that the King of Denmark would take their part, but he could not learn what answer they had. He would find means to know a man who came to an uncle of a servant of Henry's called Hans, "a multier or a caster of leades withowt belows, after the facion of Almayn," who is about Hull, and advised him to write to his nephew to come away with what he has, "for it will not be long but there will be somewhat to do." Stephen has undertaken to learn more about the Scottish priest and, if possible, to get a letter from the uncle to Hans in England, or else to learn who it is that wished him out of England; and then to come to Bruxelles for Carne's letter in his favor. He added that, if sent to lie in Libik, he would try out all things moved in the East Landes against Henry. Although Hassynberk's report is "very confuse," Carne has thought good to notify it. Bruxelles, 23 Aug. Signed.
Pp. 5. Add. Endd.: 1544.
23 Aug.132. Carne to Paget.
R O.At Andwarp, Stephen van Hassynberke, calling himself the King's servant, asked advice concerning matters of the East land and Scotland, as appears by the letters to the King herewith. Could not get at the truth more clearly. Hears that Stephen "is called a man that will pretend more knowledge than he hath indeed; he is better known there, as it is showed me, than I do know him." Bruxelles, 23 Aug., in haste.
Hol, p. 1. Add. Endd.: 1544.
24 Aug.133. Shrewsbury and Others to the Queen and Council.
Add. MS.
32,655, f. 160.
B. M.
Hamilton
Papers,
ii., No. 311.
Enclose a letter from the warden of the West Marches. The meeting he mentions between the laird of Bucleugh and the gentlemen named was appointed by him at the laird's suit; and at Morpeth, lately, Shrewsbury devised with him and the warden of the Middle Marches to do some enterprise upon Buckleugh, who has always been one of the King's greatest enemies, if the matter proponed by Buckleugh at the meeting allowed. Now that Buckleugh has himself disappointed the meeting it is not thought meet to appoint another until after the enterprise, which Wharton now prepares. Afterwards, if Buckleugh again presses for a meeting, it were not amiss to hear him. Among other exploits the wardens will not forget Robert Maxwell. Darneton, 24 Aug. 1544. Signed by Shrewsbury, Tunstall and Sadler.
Pp. 2. Add. Endd.
[24 Aug.] (fn. 8)
Baronins
xxxiii. 70.
134. Paul III. to Charles V.
Rebukes him at great length for usurping upon the authority of the Church and tolerating the heretics by promising, in the recess of the Diet of Spires, 10 June 1544, a national council to discuss matters of religion. His league with a schismatic king who is the Church's enemy and has injured him by the repudiation of his aunt, his sanction of the pragmatica in Spain, his revocation of his own decree of Augsburg and the sanctions of other emperors, his promise to the heretics of a national synod, are evidence that he has gone over to the side of the enemies of the Church. Exhorts him to return.
Lat. Extract.
135. Pope and Emperor. (fn. 9)
R. O.Yesterday was published the copy of letters from the Roman Antichrist to the Emperor, in which he upbraids him as a Lutheran for all those things decreed in the late Diet of Spires concerning the religious controversy and the suspension of the judgment of the Chamber. To a national council he objects that it would not only be beside but against the jurisdiction (sententiam) of the Roman See. Of a Universal Council he writes "Vis Concilium? Damus Concilium. Vis in Germania? Ecce, fidentes et hoc facimus; sed ita ut sit liberum et Christianum ac tale in quo nihil loci sit haereticis, quibus nulla portio est in Ecclesia, et jubeas arma deponi. Denique scias tibi non competere ut discernas qui ad id sint deligendi, sed hoc pertinere ad nostram jurisdictionem." The letters also dealt with the league with the King of England.
Lat. In Mont's hand, p. 1. Endd. By Mont: Excerptum ex scriptis Pontificiis ad Cesarem datis.
25 Aug.136. Queen Katharine to Henry VIII.
R. O.Has no occurrents of importance to signify, the realm being in good order, yet, as Richard Higham is now dispatched to him with a mass of 30,000l., she thinks it her duty to advertise him of the sending of it. The Prince and the rest of his children are well. Hampton Court, 25 Aug., 36 Henry VIII. Signed.
P. 1. Add. Endd.
25 Aug.137. Vaughan and Others to the Council.
R. O.Wrote by Francis the King's post that Jasper Dowche, upon knowledge of the worth of load in France, would repair to the King. Now Jasper's son is sick of a dangerous ague and the writers find no hope of his going to the King; "for so inordinate love seemeth he to bear to this son of his that he neither passeth on God ne the world till he see what will become of him." As to the sale of lead, can write no more than they did; and they think it will be hard to sell 10,000 or 12,000 fodder here for ready money. Bartilmewe Compaigne is yet to give them credit for 20,000 cr. next month, which will probably not be had for 14 per cent, like the other money. Despatch bearer to know the Council's pleasure therein. Andwerp, 25 Aug. 1544. Signed: S. Vaughan: Thomas Lock: John Dymock.
Pp. 2. Add. Endd.
25 Aug.138. Wotton to Henry VIII.
R. O.
St. P., x.42.
Harmless skirmish on Sunday morning at Barre between the Count Deaumale, with 2,000 horsemen, and certain footmen of the Emperor and a few of Mons. de Lykes's horsemen. On the 20th, was sent for to [the Viceroy and] Mons. de Granvele and shown that Mons. de Montbardon came on Monday night from Barre to say that the duke of Lorayne, hearing that the French king meant to destroy his countries because they victualled the Emperor, would depart to the French king to excuse himself. The Emperor sent Montbardon back with letters of credence to the Duke and letters to the Duchess, the copy (as they said) of which they showed to Wotton, requiring her to exhort her husband not to go, or at least not to go so suddenly after being with the Emperor, lest men should think that the Emperor sent him to seek for peace. The Duchess replied in her own hand (as they said, and indeed it seemed like a woman's hand) that the Duke was gone and she had sent after him; but when the letters overtook him he was hard by Chaalons and thought he had gone too far towards France to return. Whereupon it was signified to her that, when her husband returned, he should not come to the Emperor, for he would not be heard even if he came with charge from the French king. On the evening of the 19th, Don Francisco de Est with his light horses and the bands of Mons. de Boussu and Mons. de Brederode, and 4,000 Spaniards, went from this camp; and have taken Jainville and another castle of the duke of Guyse's. On the 22nd secretary Joisse came from the Viceroy and Granvele to tell Wotton that, the night before, a secretary of the French king had come from Mons. de Annebault, conducted by Frere Gosemanne. The secretary said that as the Emperor's safeconduct was only for 25 horses it was not decent for Annebault to come himself; and asked what conditions of peace the Emperor would agree to. He was answered that it was understood that Annebault would bring overtures, and thereupon safeconduct was granted, but as for them they had no overtures to make. The secretary then made the overture that had been made before, and said he had no other charge; and they answered that the Friar told them that Annebault would move other things. "Mary, quod the secretary, if he might honestly come to you, peradventure he would." They replied that, if Annebault thought it against his honor to come with that number, the Emperor would shortly approach near Annebault and then he might come with a greater number.
Gathers from the above answer that the Emperor draws towards Chaalons. "If the Emperor had not thought it [meet to take the] said town of Jainvile and that other cas[tle, forbecause] that they are nigh to Salinct Digier, within five or sy[x] leagues, we had removed hence already." Apparently we remove on the 24th or 25th inst. Joisse says that this French secretary is named Laube[spine] and is secretaire de commandementz. The Emperor, suspecting that the French king will use Lorayne as he used Savoy, leaves a garrison in Barre. Camp by St. Digier, 25 Aug. 1544. Signed.
Pp. 4. Slightly mutilated. Add. Endd.
25 Aug.139. Wotton to Paget.
R. O.The Duke of Cameryn is at last arrived, on the 23rd inst., with a small train. His father the duke of Castre lately sent his secretary to excuse his having helped Petre Strozza with men and money for the French king. Italian ambassadors here have letters that Guasto has "closed in" Strozza and his men, so that they can hardly escape. This town is not so great as I thought, being no greater and no better built than Gravelynes. The suburbs, burnt and beaten down by the Frenchmen, were apparently better built than the town. Strong as the town is, the Emperor makes new defences and leaves a good garrison of four ensigns of footmen and 400 or 500 horsemen. "The Emperor keepeth marvellous secret whither he intendeth to go now." Report says that he goes toward Vitry. If so, he will to Chaalons, where more glory is to be won than profit. It were better, the summer being so far spent, that he took fortresses betwixt this and Luxenburgh and drew towards Mesieres, for that way he might get victuals and be always able to succour this town of Sainct Digier. This camp has been without wine these five or six days "but now there is largely come." These men are daily in hand with me "to hear some good news from Boleyn and Monstrel, and say merrily that if these armies make no better speed they will not meet this year at Paris."
In his own hand.—Duke Morice and Count Guillamme are gone to take Saincte Menehoult, on the Mase, which has done hurt to our victuallers. "We depart hence this day and yet know not whither, so secret it is kept." Written at the removing of the camp from Sainct Digiers, 25 Aug. 1544. Signed.
Pp. 2. Add. Endd.

Footnotes

1 Cambridge.
2 Apparently the bishop of Lincoln. Lyddington, in co. Rutland, was that bishop's palace. In connection with this MS. see the Diarium printed by Rymer, of which an abstract will be found further on under date 12 Oct.
3 This "he" is changed into "I" a little lower down, both evidently meaning St. Martin, the third person being again resumed further on.
4 This is the same letter as No. 87, being a new draft by Petre written upon the original letter after its return from Beauraaris.
5 August 18th.
6 August 20th.
7 August 21st.
8 Letters to Granvelle of 24 Aug., to Dominico de Soto, the Emperor's Confessor, of
25 Aug., and to King Ferdinand, of 27 Aug., to use their influence in connection with
this admonition, are also printed by Baronius.
9 This paper is noticed here because of its connection with the preceding, but must of course have been written some time later.