House of Commons Journal Volume 1: 22 May 1610

Martis, 22o Maii, 1610

Butler.

L. 1. - BUTLER.

Prisons.

Keepers of Prisons: - Court of Wards, Tomorrow.

Arundell.

Mr. Hakewill reporteth the Bill of Mr. Arundell of Trerise. - Ingrossetur,

King's Speech - Impositions.

Sir Francis Hastings, - touching his Majesty's Speech.

His Majesty made a publick Claim of Matter of Impositions, to his Court of Parliament. -

His Majesty then hath a Power in all our Properties. -

For a Committee to consider of some Satisfaction between the King and the Subject: - To do it dutifully, carefully, and strongly.

Sir Edw. Grevill: - That as much as his Progenitors.

Sir Tho. Beamount: - A Fear, that our whole Liberty be swallowed up. - For a Committee, how far.

Sir Chro. Perkins: - To set Impositions by a Rule.

Mr. Tate: - You Privileges, I Prerogative. - If the first abused, I take away; - Your Wrong: - If I abuse, will you take away wholly ? -

Impositions: - Whether the Beginning by Prerogative, or by Grant of the Subject. - The Strangers Custom, greater, by Grant first.

Men may not transfer all their Moveables. - The Reason of all Prerogative. - Need no Committee.

Mr. Wentworth: - H. VI. Time - Fortescue: - Impositions not regal, but political. -

Preces et lacrymae, our only Means. -

To consider our Rights among ourselves. - For a Committee.

Mr. Chancellor: - Love to the House, Duty to the King. -

Passed, by way of an Answer, to an Objection. - No Defence for Impositions upon the Land. -

Quest. of Merchandize imported or exported. -

Not to dispute what is Law; rather to ask the Judges what is the Law. -

Move nothing against the Speech; but rather attend something that is like to come more acceptable. - No Committee.

Sir Jo. Sammes : - Fit, and dutiful.

Mr. Fuller: - It was disputed in the Exchequer; why not here ? - For a Committee.

Mr. May: - The King sensible of Sovereignty, the Commons of Liberty.

Mr. Whytlock: - The King made a Claim of his Right:

- Not de quanta, sed de quota parte - Ne inhaereat nepotibus nostris. -

Masters of their own: - Cannot be taken without

Consent. - Laws cannot, without Consent. -

Parliament a Store-house of Liberty. -

In Civil Law, placitum principis habet vim legis. -

Tonage, &c. in Satisfaction of arbitrary Impositions,

- For a Committee.

Mr. Speaker: - That a Motion for a Committee, to consider in what Manner of Satisfaction: - To examine and petition.

Sir Geo. Moore: - That Gentlemen that took Notes, might set down what his Majesty's Speech was.

Mr. Chub: - To forbear a while.

Mr. Recorder: - That Notes might be compared, and the Speech understood.

Mr. Lewknor: - To expect what will come from the King.

Mr. Speaker: - Three Things:

1. Satisfaction touching Impositions.

2. Expectation what will come from the King.

3. Collecting the King's Speech. -

Mr. Speaker: - To begin first with the last.

Sir Herbert Crofts: - for the first to be first put to Question.

Sir Nath. Bacon: - No gathering of the King's Speeches. - A Committee, to consider what Impositions.

Mr. Chancellor. -

Mr. Speaker, - for the Order on Saturday Sennight.

Sir Edwyn Sandys: - To consider of the former Order, and of the King's Motion in his Speech likewise.

Quest. Whether the Committee: - Resolved. -

What Course is fit to take in the Matter of Impositions; by Occasion of the King's Speech.

Committees, &c.

All Committees this Afternoon, to hold To-morrow.

Sir Henry Poole :- - That all the Members of the House might ....

Thursday, Mr. Myldmay.

Sir George Booth: - Thursday.