House of Commons Journal Volume 1: 03 June 1614

Veneris, 3o Junii

Bagnoll's Conveyance.

L. 1. AN Act for avoiding a Conveyance, gotten by undue Practice, without any good Consideration, from Arthur Bagnoll Esquire, Son and Heir of Sir Henry Bagnoll Knight.

Deane and Lake.

Deane and Lake, - To-morrow in the Afternoon, in the Exchequer Chamber.

Supersedeas.

Counsel to be heard in the Bill of Supersedeas.

Buckingham Assizes.

L. 1. An Act for the Keeping of One of the general Assises and Gaol-delivery, and Two of the general Quarter Sessions of the Peace, for the County of Buckingham, yearly, within the Town of Buckingham, within the said County.

Sir Jer. Horsey, against the Bill: So Sir Edw. Hobby.

Staple.

L. 1. An Act. - Staple.

Judgments.

L. 1. An Act for the Peace of the King's Subjects, after Judgment by them had at the Common Law,

Corn.

L. 1. An Act for the free Importation of Corn.

Chancery Court.

L. 1. An Act concerning the Chancery Court, and to limit the Power of the Lord Chancellor.

Danvers' Bill.

Sir H. Poole reporteth Danvers Bill, with a few Amendments; which twice read; and ordered to be ingrossed.

Message from the King.

Mr. Speaker delivered a Message from his Majesty; that, unless we forthwith proceed to treat of his Supply, he will dissolve the Parliament.

Complaint against Bp. of Lincoln.

An Answer from Francis Lovett, read in Writing, delivered Mr. Speaker by my Lord Arundell: Which read,

Sir Sam. Sands moveth, Lovett may attend the Committee this Afternoon.

Sir Roger Owen: - That Lovett ought not to have been certified to be conformable, till he had received the Communion.

Mr. Duncombe: - That he ought to have come to his own Parish Church, not to [the] King's Chapel.

Sir Jerome Horsey: - That it is a dangerous Thing, for such as Lovett, to resort to the King's Chapel.

Mr. Spiller: - That no such Certificate hath been brought into the Exchequer for Levett. That one, of that Name, was indicted, and convicted, within the County of Warwicke, 9 Jac. That this was certified, and a Seizure awarded.

Mr. Snelling secondeth Sir James Perrott, that the Bishop's Book, and the Two Certificates, may be brought to the Committee.

Mr. Glanvyle : - That it here lieth upon the Bishop's Part, to prove, that he did that, which he ought to have done, before he could be certified to be conformable.

Mr. Whitson moveth, One of the Privy Council may be at the Committee in the Afternoon, to take Levett's Oath.

Upon the Question, Lovett shall be called in; and that, during the Time he attendeth the Commandment of this House, he shall have the Privilege of this House.

Moved by some, to have the Bishop's Book, and Certificates, sent for; but answered by other, that, he being a Lord of Parliament, we cannot command his Book, and Certificate.

- Confesseth, that he hath not received the Communion in his own Parish Church, nor elsewhere.

He enjoined to attend the Committee in the Afternoon.

Demanded, when he received the Two Oaths; answered that he took them in the Bishop's House; present one .... the Bishop's Man.

King's Message.

Sir Geo. Moore: - That the King's sudden Message perplexeth him, because of the State of the Commonwealth. - His Majesty's Wants, and the Subjects Grievances ; in both which the Commonwealth interessed ; which the Ship, wherein we all sail, and must live, or die. - That, if we neglect this, which must now be done,

the Commonwealth will receive the Prejudice. - Moveth, without further Delay, to appoint a Committee, to consider of what is fittest to be done concerning all these great Matters.

Mr. Nevill: - That this Message containeth Two Parts : 1. A Desire of a present Supply : 2. His Resolution to dissolve the Parliament, if that be not presently done. - Desireth -

Sir Tho. Rowe moveth, as Sir Geo. Moore. - As to do for the Commonwealth, so for the King; that he lay not a heavy Hand upon us. -

That this a Dissolution, not of this, but of all Parliaments.

Mr. Wentworth: - A great Care to be had, for a good Conclusion, without any Extremity on either Part. - Hopeth not for any Ease of Impositions, till his Majesty be truly informed of the Right; whereof his Majesty hath Cause to be tender, till he be satisfied. -

That some Grace in the Bills of Grace; but yet thinketh, the King intended more, than is now in them. -

Moveth, to present his Majesty with some Proportion of Supply presently.

Sir Wm. Strowde: - Sorry for this present Message. - Moveth a Committee, which may consider of a Message to the King for Impositions.

Mr. Fuller sheweth the Grievances of the Commonwealth, by Impositions, by Priests, Jesuits, &c.

Mr. Whitson : - Lately told, that they, that dissuaded a Parliament, will do the best they can to dissolve it: Now found true. -

Bishops Books. - Da totum. - That the King calleth a Parliament but for Form. That my Lord Treasurer sent, for the Merchants of the Out Ports, Three in Numbers : Told the Merchants -

That he told the King, it was a miserable State, where a King may not impose of himself. -

To appeal from Phillipp sleeping, to Phillipp waking.

Mr. Ashley: - As Davyd, in a wonderful Strait. - For Impositions; seek after nothing, but Justice and Liberty. - Not to buy them, but with open Hands to remunerate. - That the King himself offered to have his Right tried by Law; whereof, by the former Judgment he hath a Shew of Right. - To think of a Course, how this may be tried. To have a special Care, to avoid the King's Penury ; his Disgrace. -

Basileus: - Basis populi. - Bring, bring; give, give ; spend, spend. - The Question only, who to begin; King, or People. - If want no more, well given ; if want, we may then more justly stand upon it.

Sir James Perrott: - In these weighty Business, Silence better for the Party, Speech better for the House. - 1. If Assurance, that this, now required for his Majesty's Supply, will go to the Payment of his Debts, and the like not be shortly required again, would willingly give, and count it a good Bargain. -

Impositions laid upon the King, by Pensions, Fees, &c. - 70,000 l. per Annum Pensions; 15,000l. per Annum to the Queen ; Three 5,000 l. to some Noblemen. - That these Pensions more than the Revenue of the Crown Land ; more than the Impositions. - Fees for keeping of old Castles, Houses, Parks, Forests, &c. Stewards, &c. -

Moveth, a Committee, to consider of the Supply, Impositions, &c.

Mr. Chancellor: - That in the Message there is an " unless." - Hopeth, this will be a Parliament of Love; to the Honour of God; to help the King. -

For Matter and Manner: - In a Committee they, that are unsatisfied, may receive Satisfaction. - No Word of Support used, till this Day. - That the King hath lessened, sithence the last Parliament, half that, which his Expence then exceeded his Revenue. - That 30,000 l. per Annum expended in some Things, which now reduced to 8,000 l.

For the Impositions; that the Law, as now standeth, for the King. 2. That the King found Impositions. 3. That a Means left to decide this by Law. -

Moveth for a Committee.

Sir Ro. Hitcham: - That the Queen hath not 500 l. per Annum Pension. That former Queens had 10,000 Marks per Annum. -

Aurum Reginae, which they had for 2001. per Annum, 40,000 l. per Annum.

Mr. Hoskyns .- - This a Parliament of Love. - All the Arguments now used, Arguments of Fear. -

That in H. Vl. Time, all the Jewels pawned, entered upon the Parliament Roll. -

26o H. VI. - The King One Million, and some 100,000 l. in Debt.

Sir Tho. Lake: - Fears, that proceed from Love, to be respected. - The Issue now short: To dissolve the Parliament, or supply the King.

Mr. Hyde: - Sorry for this Strait. - All have shewed their Willingness to give. - The Subsidy ever last, but the Pardon. -

That the Law not bound by Bates Case. - Can shew a Resolution of all the Judges of England, in Queen Eliz. Time, against Impositions. - If we now give, it is for Fear; when this a Parliament of Love. -

As great Cause to fear, the Supply now will not pay the King's Debts, as last Parliament. 3o Jac. Report in this House, that the King's Debt 700,000 l. whereupon such a Gift, of Three Subsidies, and Six Fifteens : Two Subsidies and Four Fifteens paid in Two Years : At the End of these Two Years, his Debt increased to 1, 400,000 l -

That the King hath given to some one Man 1,000l. per Annum, old Rent; which more than Queen Eliz. gave, in 44 Years, to all her Servants. -

Reported, 7o Jac. that, of this, 1,100,000l. paid.

Sir Edw. Mountague: - How to pacify this Message. - A Committee, to consider of the best Means for it.

Mr. Griffynn : - To have a Committee of the whole House.

Sir H. Croftes moveth, as Sir Edw. Mountague.

Ordered, upon the Question, That a Committee shall prepare an Answer to the King's Message.

The whole House to be the Committee; and to meet this Afternoon; all other Committees set apart (except Lovett's Business) till this Business be done.