House of Commons Journal Volume 3
8 November 1644

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'House of Commons Journal Volume 3: 8 November 1644', Journal of the House of Commons: volume 3: 1643-1644 (1802), pp. 690-691. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=805 Date accessed: 19 September 2014.


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Die Veneris, Novembris 8, 1644.

PRAYERS.

Trade to Newcastle.

ORDERED, That Mr. Blakiston do bring in an Ordinance for opening the Trade to Newcastle; and revoking the Ordinance that prohibited the Trade thither.

Grant to Vane.

An Order for repaying Sir Hen. Vane senior for the Damages he has sustained by Colonel Heron, Major Branling, Wm. Conyers, and others, out of their Estates, was this Day read; and ordered to be committed unto Mr. Cage, Mr. Vassall; Sir Peter Wentworth, Sir Tho. Widdrington, Mr. Prideaux, Mr. Strode, Mr. Recorder, Mr. Ashe, Sir Edw. Partheriche, Sir Beauchamp St. Johns, Mr. Bond, Mr. White, Mr. Long, Sir Tho. Walsingham, Mr. Tate, Mr. Blakiston, Mr. Ashherst, Sir Anth. Irby, Mr. Holland, Mr. Wheler, Mr. Darley: And are to meet, they or any Six of them, on Monday next, at Two post Meridiem, in the Exchequer Chamber: And have Power to send for Parties, Witnesses, Papers, Records, &c.

The humble Petition of Thomas Hall of London, Merchant Taylor, concerning a Debt owing unto him from Sir Tho. Soame, a Member of this House was this Day read: And

It is Ordered, That it be referred to the Committee for Sequestrations at Campden House.

And Sir Tho. Soame doth voluntarily offer to be examined, upon Oath, as to this particular Debt, by the said Committee; and to declare his full Knowledge therein.

Propositions to the King.

Mr. Pierrepont reports the Clause to be added concerning such Members of either House of Parliament, in the Fourth Qualification, after the Word " Commonwealth:" (fn. a) The which was read; and assented unto, upon the Question; and ordered to be delivered to the Lords, at a Conference.

Resolved, &c. That the Title to the Propositions on the Behalf of the City of London shall be left out.

Resolved, &c. That the Propositions on the Behalf of the City of London shall be inserted, next before the Conclusion of the Propositions of both Kingdoms.

Ordered, That the Propositions, being agreed on by both Houses, be communicated to the Scotts Commissioners: And that This be delivered at this Conference.

Sir Hen. Vane senior reports from the Committee of both Kingdoms, the Way and Manner of sending the Propositions of both Kingdoms to his Majesty: (fn. b) The which was read; and, upon the Question, assented unto; and Ordered to be delivered at this Conference.

Sir Jo. Wray is appointed to go to the Lords; to desire a free Conference, by Committees of both Houses, so soon as may stand with their Lordships Conveniency, concerning the Matter of the last Conference touching the Propositions of both Kingdoms for a safe and well-grounded Peace.

Army Pay.

Mr. Pierrepont reports from the Committee of both Kingdoms, a Consideration to the House, of paying the Arrears due to Colonel Jo. Fienis, out of Haberdashers Hall, upon Warrants signed and subsigned long since: The which was read; and, upon Consideration thereof, it is referred to the Committee at Haberdashers Hall, to examine and state the Arrears due to Colonel Jo. Fienis, for which he has received Warrants, as he informs, signed and subsigned a Year and a half since, that it may appear to what Sum the said Arrears do arise; to the end Order may be taken for the Payment of it.

Resolved, &c. That a Fortnight's Pay be forthwith advanced and paid out of Haberdashers Hall, upon Account, to the Treasurer of the associated Counties of Oxon, Bucks, and Berks, to be paid to the Regiment of Horse under the Command of Colonel Jo. Fienis, upon Muster of the said Regiment.

The Lords Concurrence to be desired herein.

Miscarriages at Banbury.

Ordered, That it be referred to the Committee where Mr. Tate has the Chair, to examine the Business concerning the Miscarriages of the Forces at Banbury.

Conference.

Sir. Jo. Wray brings Answer, That the Lords will give a present Meeting at a Conference, as is desired.

Mr. Pierrepont, Sir Philip Stapilton, Mr. Recorder, Mr. White, are appointed Managers and Reporters of this Conference.

Message from Lords.

A Message from the Lords, by Serjeant Whittfield and Mr. Page;

The Lords having formerly sent a Petition to this House of the Earl of Carlell's; they desire this House to take it into Consideration, with what Expedition they can; and to send Answer unto it, as was desired, and promised, when the Petition was sent first down.

They were likewise commanded to deliver the Votes of the joint Committee, as reported and resolved by the Lords House; and desire their Concurrence therein; and that the Earl of Denbigh may be dispatched, with such Accommodations for the Publick Service as shall be necessary unto his Commands, according to the manifold Desires and Concernment of his Association.

Answer to Lords.

Resolved, &c. That the Answer to this Message shall be, That the House will send Answer by Messengers of their own.

Answer returned by the same Messengers; That this House has considered their Lordships Message; and will send Answer by Messengers of their own.

Navy.

Ordered, That the House do take into Consideration, To-morrow Morning, the first Business, peremptorily, the Consideration of the Navy.

Earl of Denbigh's Association.

Ordered, That the Committee of this House for the Earl of Denbigh's Association, do make Report of That Business To-morrow Morning.

Maimed Soldiers.

Ordered, That the House called Northampton House, by the Savoy, be assigned for the Receipt of maimed Soldiers wounded in the Parliament's Service.

Ordnance Office.

Ordered, That the Committees for regulating the Office of the Ordnance, and for Perusal of the Lieutenant of the Ordnance his Patents, be joined: And that they have Power to send for Parties, Witnesses, Papers, Records.

Maimed Soldiers.

Ordered, That it be referred to the Committee for maimed Soldiers, to consider of some Expedient to discover the Parliament Soldiers about the Streets from the King's Soldiers; and to take some Course, that those that are really the Parliament's Soldiers, may be so disposed of, and provided for, that they may not, upon any Pretence, go up-and-down the Streets, begging.

Church Government.

The House being informed, that divers Divines of the Assembly were at the Door;

They were called in: And Doctor Burges there offered, That the Assembly of Divines, in Obedience to an Order they Yesterday received, they desire to present the humble Advice of the Assembly of Divines, by Ordinance of Parliament now sitting at Westminster, concerning some Part of Church Government.

And the Ministers being withdrawn:

The Paper of Advice was read.

Resolved, &c. That the humble Advice of the Assembly of Divines, concerning some Part of Church Government, this Day presented to the House, be taken into Consideration on Tuesday Morning next, peremptorily, the first Business: And that Mr. Speaker put the House in mind hereof.

Propositions to the King.

Mr. Pierrepont reports from the Conference, That the Lords do agree to all the Desires of this House concerning the Propositions of both Kingdoms; and have resolved, That Two Lords shall go with them.

Thereupon the House named Four; viz. Mr. Pierrepont, Mr. Holles, Mr. Whitelock, Lord Wenman.

And then the Question was put upon every one of them particularly: And, upon particular Questions,

It was Resolved, That they shall be the Four Members of this House, that shall go with the Propositions.

Resolved, &c. That it be referred to the Committee of both Kingdoms, this Afternoon, to perfect the Business concerning the Manner of sending the Propositions; and to report it To-morrow.

(*) After the Word " Commonwealth," in the Fourth Qualification of the Fourteenth Proposition, add, "and also that the Members of either House of Parliament, who have deserted the Parliament, and adhered to the Enemies thereof, and have not rendered themselves before the last of October 1644, may be removed from his Majesty's Counsels; and be restrained from coming within the Verge of the Court: And that they may not, without the Advice and Consent of both Houses of Parliament, bear any Office, or have any Employment, concerning the State or Commonwealth."

(†) "Die Jovis, 7 Novembris, 1644."

" From the Committee of both Kingdoms.—Reported, That, when the Propositions are agreed upon by the mutual Consent of both Kingdoms, this Committee does present unto them, that then they be sent by some of the Parliaments of both Kingdoms, and by Two of the House of Peers, and a proportionable Number of the House of Commons; and the Commissioners of the Kingdom of Scotland will send some of their own Number, as they may both do That, and be a sufficient Number for the Service to be done at this Committee."

"There is something else, which the Committee is to consider of To-morrow."

Footnotes

a See this Mark (*) at the End of the Proceedings of this Day.
b See this Mark (†) at the End of the Proceedings of this Day.