Henry VIII
November 1546, 11-20

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'Henry VIII: November 1546, 11-20', Letters and Papers, Foreign and Domestic, Henry VIII, Volume 21 Part 2: September 1546-January 1547 (1910), pp. 188-203. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=80882 Date accessed: 30 July 2014.


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November 1546, 11-20

11 Nov.387. The Privy Council.
Dasent's
A. P. C., 547.
Meeting at Westminster, 11 Nov. Present: Canterbury, Chancellor Great Master, Privy Seal, Hertford, Arundel, Essex, Admiral, Durham, Winchester, Gage, Browne, Paget. Business:—Warrant to Peckham for 24,000l. to be paid to Bonvixy, Acelyne Salvage, Bart. Compeigne and Bart. Fortuny towards the debt in Flanders. Copy (recited) of indenture between George Stonehous and Robert Horsley, dated 20 Nov. 38 Hen. VIII., for Horsley's taking over custody of the victuals at Berwick (list given). Letters to Thomas Boyes, master of the Ordnance in the North, to deliver certain artillery, powder and munition to ——— Becke for furniture of two of the King's ships appointed to waft vessels laden with coals for the pieces beyond seas.
11 Nov.388. Thirlby to Paget.
R. O.
St. P., xi. 344.
On the 9th wrote at great length; and, because on the 8th at night the Emperor's artillery made a great shot, sent John Honynges and Bluemantell to the camp with Somerset, so that Paget might have some "verities unwritten" by Somerset, who will report that the shot was only a discharge upon the bruit of the King of the Romans' entering Saxe. On the 10th took occasion to see Lawingen and visit Mons. Du Grandevela, who has been sick. Cheered him by telling the news that Petro Strozy was gone to Constantinople (sic) and that the Frenchmen were practising a new alliance with the Emperor. Grandevela said it was true that Strozy was at Venice with the French ambassador seeking for aid and other things that they cannot have, and relying much upon the King's majesty; their practices were for marriages and straiter alliances, but they had obtained no more than at Bruges. The King of Romans had sent a power into the Duke of Sax's country and had a great victory, and it was for this cause that the artillery was shot. The Lansgrave's men deserted daily, and there should be seen shortly "some good success for the Emperor." Thus, with the usual good words of the Emperor's amity, Thirlby returned to write this, which Grandevela promised to send in his packet into Flanders. Tillinge, 11 Nov., early in the morning, 1546.
Hol., pp. 2. Add. (both in English and French). Endd.
12 Nov.389. Sir Anthony Kingston.
Add. Ch. 8085
B. M.
Grant to Sir Ant. Kyngeston, of Myserder, Glouc. Seal broken. Lat. Parchment. See Grants in November, No. 60.
12 Nov.390. The Privy Council.
Dasent's
A. P. C., 549.
Meeting at Westminster, 12 Nov. Present: Chancellor, Great Master, Privy Seal, [Hertford, Arundel, Essex, Admiral, Durham, Winchester, Gage, Browne, Paget]. Business:—Letter to the Lord Warden of the Cinque Ports that, where my Lord of Canterbury had declared in the Council his "often suit" to the Lord Warden for a final end in the matter of the wreck, their Lordships required him in most friendly sort to send up John Anthonye with the books of the matter, as he had promised, that they might take order therein, being loath that it should grow to further extremity. To mayor of Newcastle, etc., who wrote of their preparation of sea coals, that the two ships of war now there should waft the vessels.
12 Nov.391. Henry VIII. To the Deputy, Chancellor and Council of Ireland.
Irish Pat.
Roll,
37 Hen viii.
m. 8d.
They are to cease paying Wm. Cantwell his wages of 12d. a day for himself and 6d. for his man, and, instead, to pay Piers Walsh, Oliver Nugent and Owen White, respectively, 10d., 4d., and 4d. a day for life. The abp. Of Armagh, Sir Wm. Wyse and Frances Harbard are to be of the Council. Lady Cycylie, daughter of the Earl of Kildare, shall retain her father's plate, as of the King's gift. The Constable of Dublin Castle shall be marshal of the Courts, paying Edm. Griffith, keeper of the garden at Hampton Court, the fee of the office, for his life. Wm. Keating, captain of the King's kern, is to have lands worth 10l. a year, with remainder to such one of his sons as shall be fit to succeed him in the office. Hugh O'Neill, for his long service, is to have 10l. annuity out of Newry College. 12 Nov. 38 Hen. VIII.
Enrolment. See Morrin's Calendar, p. 126.
12 Nov.392. Mary of Hungary to Van der Delft.
Spanish
Calendar,
viii., No. 343.
On 14 Sept. wrote of Secretary Strick's mission to Scotland. He has since returned, and a copy of his report is enclosed. It will be seen that the Scots are anxious to treat independently; to which she will not consent, as contravening Clause 13 of the alliance, although the English in their treaty with France included the Scots without reference to the Emperor, as explained in her letter of 15 Aug. As the Scots defer doing justice to the Emperor's subjects pending her answer, she sends it (copy enclosed) by bearer, for whom Van der Delft must ask passport without search. This is important, as he carries safeconducts for Scotsmen. It may be said that he carries letters to the Regent asking for the raising of the embargo and the restoration of property seized by the Scots, and that the man is a mere messenger and should be allowed such passage as is here permitted to the King of England's messengers to Germany and Italy. If (as she can hardly believe) passport is refused, Van der Delft shall write to Mr. David Paniter, bp. Elect of Ross, secretary and Councillor to the Queen of Scotland, that bearer was instructed to hand him 70 safe-conducts for distribution, sixty by the Regent and ten by himself with certain private letters of explanation; but, owing to difficulty of obtaining passports for the messenger, and for fear of their being taken, he (Van der Delft) has retained the safeconducts for transmission by sea. And he shall then return them to her. Sees by his letters to the Emperor in September that the Scots then asked safeconducts for the Scottish Privy Seal, a great master and a secretary, with train of 40 horsemen, to come on embassy to England. Asks if he has not discovered the reason why this embassy has never come. Strick informed her, when he was in Scotland, that it was intended rather with the object of temporising. Is there any appearance of enmity being still kept with the Scots, and why? For the Scots accepted the conditions for their inclusion, one of which was that the English should not recommence war without fresh cause.
Notes his letter of the 6th ult. Touching the Boulognais, and thinks he should ask Paget whether the Commissioners are yet appointed, as the gentlemen interested have lost patience, and some are angrily regretting that they aided the King in his conquest. Ascertain from Paget whether to move the King again therein. Knows not whether Paget spoke by the King's orders when he communicated the "proposal advanced by the French and the Rheingrave," about which Van der Delft sent his secretary hither, who recently returned to England. If Paget spoke for the King it would be courteous to tell the latter that she had conveyed the information to the Emperor, who will certainly be much obliged, and that such good offices prove the King's sincere friendship. He may add that her absence prevented her writing about it sooner. Brussels, 12 Nov. 1546.
12 Nov.393. Mary of Hungary to Van der Delft and Van der Burgh.
Spanish
Calendar,
viii., No. 344.
Considering the reports of their negociation with the English commissioners, the Council here conclude that the English desire to continue in the old way (they now concede less than at the Bourbourg conference) and that Van der Burgh's further stay is useless. He must announce that he has orders to return, and ask for a written statement of the points agreed upon, and a reply on the points which the English Commissioners undertook to lay before the King or Council. If the English wish to make delay in consequence of the request for a written statement of the points settled, they may be reminded that Van der Burgh was in England long before the coming hither of their envoy, who has already been despatched, and therefore he fears that they mean to concede less than was conceded at Bourbourg, but will wait three or four days if they will work at the affair. The English commissioners here took leave with sufficiently bad grace, and even refused to await her return from Hainault, where she was hunting, but came thither, without the ambassador, to take their leave. Although the English Commissioners say that the complaints of the merchants here against the Staplers of Calais are covered by the commercial treaties of 1499 and 1522, it will be seen by the advices from Lille, Armentiers, etc., that the English fail to observe the treaties. A final reply upon this must be sought, but without delaying Van der Burgh's return. Details some unreasonable practices of the Staplers. As the English Commissioner when here made no great effort for settlement of the private claims presented by the English Commissioners at Bourbourg, it is to be feared that the English do not intend favourable settlement of similar claims of ours. Will instruct Van der Delft later as to further proceedings. Brussels, 12 Nov. 1546.
12 Nov.394. William Damesell to Henry VIII.
R. O.Having commandment from the Council to pay certain money due by the King to merchants of Andwarpe and to receive of Mr. Vaughan, late agent here, the King's money remaining in his custody and also to ship 20,000l. Fl. Worth of copper bought of Antonio Fugger, has paid as much of the said debt as is yet due, and laden the copper, 857,144 lbs., in seventeen hoys and ships, whereof four are arrived in London, seven lie in Zelond ready to take the next good wind, and six are here taking in th residue of their lading. Dare not write the news here as it is so variable; but there is a great bruit that the young lord of Barrough is slain, with other of the Emperor's gentlemen, in a skirmish with the Protestants. Andwarpe, 12 Nov. 1546.
Hol., p. 1. Add. Endd.
13 Nov.395. The Privy Council.
Dasent's
A. P. C., 550.
Meeting at Westminster, 13 Nov. Present: Chancellor, Great Master, Privy Seal, [Hertford, Arundel, Essex, Admiral, Durham, Winchester, Gage, Browne, Paget]. Business:—Warrant to Cavendish to imprest 2,000l. to Robert Legge, treasurer for marine causes.
13 Nov.396. Van der Delft to Mary of Hungary.
Spanish
Calendar,
viii., No. 345.
Arrived here from Windsor to-day, and the Council have just sent a Secretary to inform him that two ambassadors have come from Scotland, and when they have had access to the King or Council, the writer shall be informed of their negociations, in accordance with the treaty of alliance. The secretary added that the King had ordered the sending of a special messenger to Windsor with the information, if the writer had not arrived in London. Desires the instructions, which the Queen writes that she will send, as to what she will require of the Scots before consenting to the peace. London, 13 Nov. 1546.
13 Nov.397. Van der Delft to Schore.
Spanish
Calendar,
viii., No. 346.
Received from Jehan du Bois the packet from the Emperor, but has not had opportunity to present the letter of credence, as the King had left Windsor to visit some private houses The English have already received fresher news. Has, however, declared his intelligence to the Council. Is expecting the Queen's envoy to Scotland and has nothing to write to her at present. Hears that two ambassadors have arrived from Scotland, and, having himself just arrived at [qu from?] Windsor, will find out about it to-morrow.
My brother, Fernando de Bernuy has not received the money advanced from the Emperor's service. Pray help to make the assignment he holds on the Naples revenue effective.
One of the Secretaries of the Council has just called, and I have therefore written a few lines to the Queen. Windsor (sic), 13 Nov 1546.
13 Nov.398. Lord Grey to the Council.
R. O.Lately received their letters directing him to take into wages Anthony Smythe, appointed by them to be the King's auditor here; but as the said letters do not mention John Hornyold, this bearer, whom Grey, upon their letters, heretofore admitted to that room and has no commandment to discharge, he is sent to receive his answer from them. Bollon, 13 Nov. 1546. Signed.
P. 1. Add. Sealed. Endd.
14 Nov.399. The Privy Council.
Dasent's
A. P. C., 550.
Meeting at Westminster, 14 Nov. Present: Chancellor, Great Master, Privy Seal, [Hertford, Arundel, Essex, Admiral, Durham, Winchester, Gage, Browne, Paget]. Business:—Letters to the purveyors of victuals at Holy Ilond to prepare with all diligence 10 pipes of beef, 40 tuns of beer and 10 tons of biscuit, and have it shipped ready to depart when the King's ships arrive thereabouts; also to put the bakehouses and brewhouses there ready for use at an hour's warning. Letter to Mr. Peckham to pay the collectors of the Contribution, who complained that they could not live upon their allowance, 4d. in the pound instead of 2d. Warrant to treasurer of Augmentations to deliver Sir William Woodhouse, for the garrison at Quynborowe, 38l. 6s. 8d. To Mr. Peckham to deliver Mr. Malorye 2,000l. Letters to ——— (blank) to assist Mr. Yorke in executing his charge. Warrant to ——— (blank) to deliver Sir Philip Hobbye 51l. to be given in reward to certain Spaniards returning home, viz., to Johannes de Salazor, Juan Peres, Balthazar de Bovillo, Michell de Nonias, Bernalldino de Aguirre, and Alonso de Ardona; also 75l. for Petro Aretino, Italian, "that dedicated a book (fn. 1) to his Majesty."
14 Nov.400. The Privy Council to Sir Edmund Peckham.
R. O.As the collectors of the Contribution complain that their allowance is too slender to live upon and serve duly, the King, to encourage them, is pleased that, instead of 2d. "for the portage of every pound," they shall have 4d.; at which rate you shall from henceforth pay them. Westm., 14 Nov. 1546. Signed by Wriothesley, St. John, Russell, Hertford and Paget.
P. 1. Add.: High Treasurer of the Myntes.
14 Nov.401. The Council of Boulogne to the Council.
R. O.Bearer, Robert Hoidgeson, lately placed here by the King's letters as a man at arms extraordinary (for the full number was already furnished), desires them to write in his favour; and, considering his forwardness in service "ever since the beginning," they heartily beg the Council to favour his suits. Bollon, 14 Nov. 1546. Signed: Wyllyam Grey: John Bryggys: Hugh Poulet.
P. 1. Add. Endd.: The Counsaill at Bolloyn to the Counsaill here.
14 Nov.402. Lord Grey to the Council.
R. O.Has, with his fellows of the Council here, devised orders to be observed in Bolloin, which, if the Council approve, he will publish and execute. Desires them to give order for the making of a conduit, very necessary for all the garrison here, as Sir Hugh Poulet, who now repairs to them, can declare. Bolloin, 14 Nov. 1546. Signed.
P. 1. Endd.: The Lord G[rey] to the Counsaill, xiiijo Novembr. 1546; with certaine articles inclosed.
R. O.2. "These articles following," at the request of the inhabitants of Boulloigne, the Deputy and Council there have thought good to put in execution, viz.:—
1. That Thomas Mallage and Thomas Clement, of High Bulloigne, by election of the inhabitants, shall be the King's constables of High Bulloigne and Base Bulloigne until Michaelmas next; to execute the usual office of constables according to the laws of England. 2. The market to be kept at High Bulloigne on Wednesdays and Saturdays, beginning at 8 a.m. 3. Every person having a house in High Bulloigne shall, before Pentecost next, pave and keep paved from the house to the channel of the street, or, if there be two channels, to the midst of the street; save in the Market Place, where house owners shall only pave 20 feet outwards. Penalty 4d. for every foot insufficiently paved. The rest of the Market Place and all places where the King has any storehouse shall be paved by the inhabitants. 4. The inhabitants to find a scavenger to carry away all filth and corruption from the streets of High Bulloigne on Wednesdays and Saturdays, or oftener if necessary, to a place to be assigned by the constables; the scavenger to forfeit 6s. 8d. for every default. 5. Dung from stables in High Bulloigne to be carried away by the owner, and not left lying in the streets above two days; upon pain of 3s. 4d. 6. Every inhabitant of High Bulloigne to pay quarterly, as rated in a book kept by the constables, money for the scavenger's wages. 7. No inhabitant or soldier to cast into "streets or other places (to the noysaunce of his neighbures, or whereby any evell smell or corrupcion myght ensue) any chamber pottes," or any jakes or tubs of corruption and filth; but such are to be carried into the fields, to a place appointed by the constables. Penalty 3s. 4d. 8. Owner of any horse that dies to see it buried 7 ft. deep. Penalty 20d. 9. No stranger inhabiting either High or Base Bulloigne to lodge any other stranger, except his own servants or apprentices, without the commandment of the Deputy and Council. Penalty 6s. 8d. 10-13. Regulations as to the exaction of fines by the clerk of the market, which fines (like the other penalties) shall go to the use of the town, for paving the market place, etc.; but the fees for sealing weights and measures shall go to the clerk.
Pp. 6. Add.: To my very good lordes, the lordes of the Kinges Mates most honorable Privie Counsaill.
14 Nov.403. The Duke of Longueville to Mary of Guise.
Balcarres MS.
ii. 65
Ad. Lib Edin.
Hearing that Otigny was ordered to send her certain despatches would not fail to write his news. Assures her he is becoming tall (grand). After leaving Paris where he staid so long about the lawsuit which we have at length gained, the King, who was at Joinville, gave him good cheer, "et m'a commandé me faire grant pour luy faire service,"—a thing of which he is greatly desirous, especially that he may see her as soon as possible. Will always, according to her commands, obey Monsieur and Madame and his uncles. Doullevant, 14 Nov. Signed V're . . . . filz, Francoys d'Orleans.
Hol., Fr., p. 1. Add.: A la Royne en Escosse. Endd.
15 Nov.404. Selve to Francis I.
Corresp.,
No. 55.
Wrote on the 10th, and has nothing to report except what the King will learn from the Baron de St. Blancard, who says that he has things of importance to impart. London, 15 Nov. 1546.
Fr.
15 Nov.405. Selve to the Admiral [of France].
Corresp.,
No. 56.
The Baron de St. Blancard will report by mouth. Sends by him 1½ doz. Of "chaussettes" of which the half dozen seem very short, although they are said to be the longest used by women here; and the others which are longer seem too large. Will send more if these are what the Admiral wants. London, 15 Nov. 1546.
Fr.
15 Nov.406. St. Mauris to Charles V.
Spanish
Calendar,
viii., No. 347.
* * * *
French schemes to bring about a marriage of Prince Philip with their Princess Margaret. The King amassing money which some say is to pay the King of England, others to force the Emperor to come to terms. Protestants in Court receiving much favour, Madame d'Etampes calling them her brother evangelists, for she inclines to the Lutheran discipline. This is not surprising, as, when Barbarossa was in Provence, the King called the Turks his brothers. In view of the King of England's recent promises, the French think that the state of affairs with him cannot continue, and say (especially the Admiral) that the best opportunity for regaining Boulogne will be at the King of England's death; when "their claims would continue against the Princess, his elder daughter," and they count on dissensions. They are already prepared for war upon his expected death, unless in the meantime they can recapture Boulogne; and he knows it. With that object they seem to be seeking the alliance with the Emperor. Hears from the Nuncio that the King of France has ordered the first instalment of the pension, 50,000 cr., to be paid in England on the 1st inst. Rumors of money supplied to the German Protestants. Movements of the King—to pass Lent in Paris and then go to Fontainebleau. By his rapid journeys, notwithstanding the excessive rains, more than ——— (blank) persons following on foot have perished. Many persons at Meaux, including some leading citizens, have been burnt by the Court of Paris; and houses there where false doctrine was preached are demolished, for a memorial. A storm at sea which destroyed much shipping at Dieppe is thought a judgment of God, as they are all corsairs there. Protestant spies in the Emperor's camp. (No date, margin 15 Nov.)
16 Nov.407. Thomas Hawkyns.
R. O.Bill made 16 Nov. 38 Hen. VIII., witnessing receipt by Thos. Hawkyns, of Boughton under the Blean, Kent, yeoman of the Guard, from ——— (blank) Jastlyng, one of the receivers of the King's general receipt at Westm., by Michael Smith, his (Hawkyns') servant, of his whole year's fee of the Crown due at Michaelmas last, 9l. 2s. 6d. Signed with a mark.
Small paper, p. 1.
17 Nov.408. Selve to Francis I.
Corresp.,
No. 57.
Received on the 14th the King's despatch of the 4th, and, accordingly, set himself to learn the amount, destination and object of the money sent to Antwerp; and wrote to the ambassador in Flanders to make like enquiry. The sum is 40,000l. st., or 160,000 cr., to be paid at Antwerp at the end of January or beginning of February. It is mostly delivered to a great number of English merchants, but for 50,000 cr. to Italians, who had to be employed. It is to be received at Antwerp by Thomas Chamberlan, master of the English merchants trading in Flanders, and Mr. Domrysel. As the King thinks, this cannot be to succour the Protestants, considering the season and the treatment of the Emperor's ambassador; neither can it be to pay the King's debts, who borrowed at Antwerp during the war but has repaid since the peace; and the supposition of an aid to the Emperor is not admissible. Most likely it is to purchase munitions. If opportunity offers, will speak of the capitulation as commanded; but the King went the day before yesterday to Oatlands and the time of his return is not known. Was visited yesterday by the ambassadors of Scotland, who have not yet obtained audience of the King or any of the Council, and are not well received here. They expect no better [treatment] until this King has news of the success of twelve ships with about 5,000 men-of-war whom he has sent to succour St. Andrews, and who left Yarmouth on Saturday last, 13th inst. For the rest refers to bearer. London, 17 Nov. 1546.
Fr.
17 Nov.409. Selve to the Admiral [of France].
Corresp.,
No. 58.
On the 14th received the Admiral's despatch of the 3rd. Encloses copy of a paper which he sends to the ambassador in Flanders, answering the King's questions. The Scottish ambassadors, who are two persons of good wit, visited him yesterday. Assured them of the protection of Francis, and they excused the delay of their visit as due to fear of being reproached with seeing him before the King. But they have been unable to obtain audience owing to some indisposition of the King, who, however, has gone to the country, leaving them here. They think that he wishes first to have news of St. Andrews castle. Communicated to them the answers lately made by the Council here to the articles carried by M. de Mandosse (copy enclosed). They declared that they could give satisfaction therein. They bring with them the procuration which the English demand, besides letters patent of the acceptation similar to those carried by Mandosse. As to the charges of pillage, they offer restitution if the English consent to reciprocity; and they asked him to represent to the Council that it was unreasonable to declare war for depredations made by private individuals. Will to-morrow speak of it to the Chancellor and Council. As they were leaving, Adam Hotburne whispered to the writer in Latin that he wished to speak to him alone.
The war preparations here seem too great for a war with Scotland; but whether some other enterprise is intended or is guarded against Selve cannot well say. Here are bruits, probably false, that this King's succours have entered the castle of St. Andrews, and that the King of Denmark's son marries the Queen of Scotland. London, 17 Nov. 1546.
Fr.
17 Nov.410. Lord Grey to Paget.
R. O.Encloses schedule of intelligence by an espial who offers to gage his head for its truth. As it appears that the French will very shortly attempt Bolloin Barke, "I do eftsoons require you" that I may know the King's pleasure about the fortifying thereof. Bolloin, 17 Nov. 1546. Signed.
P. 1. Add. Sealed. Endd.: with intelligences inclosed.
17 Nov.411. Privy Council of Scotland.
Regist., 47.Meeting at St. Andrews, 17 Nov. Present: bp. Of Dunkeld, earl of Cassillis, abbots of Cupar, Dumfermling and Culross, lord Lindesay, Sir John Campbell, Clerk Register. Business:—Order between Sir Neil Mongomery and the Countess of Eglintoun. Further order taken to continue the siege of St. Andrews castle.
17 Nov.412. Pole to Cardinals de Monte and Cervini.
Poli Epp.,
iv. 202.
Arrived yesterday in Rome. His journey from Padua seems to have done him good rather than otherwise, the weather and the roads being excellent. To-day has kissed the feet of his Holiness and doing the same for his correspondents, told him what good cause they had to expect "grata licentia dalla benignità di sua Beatitudine," enlarging on the devotion they had shown and the needs of the case. Could get no other answer but that the Pope was much pleased with their services, without entering into particulars. Will use every opportunity to promote their wish, but thinks it will depend on the general resolution taken on affairs there [at Trent] and cannot be long delayed. Rome, 17 Nov. 1546.
Italian.
18 Nov.413. Selve to Francis I.
Corresp.,
No. 59.
Wrote on the 17th by a gentleman of the ambassador in Scotland, and writes now to the Admiral upon a matter of importance. The ambassadors of Scotland to-day advertise him that their audience is assigned for Sunday next at Oatlands. Will to-morrow send a man with a letter to Paget, written at their request (copy enclosed). Had the conversation therein mentioned with the Chancellor of England, to-day, who said that he did not know the men on board his master's ships had charge to make a landing in Scotland, although he tried to argue that they might lawfully do so. London, 18 Nov. 1546.
Fr.
18 Nov.414. Selve to the Admiral [of France].
Corresp.,
No. 60.
The Baron of St. Blancard has come to report that a young gentleman of Normandy, who had only just arrived, told N. (fn. 2) in his presence, that he had been imprisoned by the vicomte of Dieppe for visiting the castle and forts there in company with Englishmen, but, being given liberty within the town, had escaped in an English ship. He asked N. (fn. 2) to tell this King that he had the names of a score of gentlemen of Normandy willing to serve him, and that the journey of Mr. Myotis thither had been of no small service to him. N. (fn. 2) went on without distrust of the Baron, with whom he had had many other communications, to the effect that he himself has nevertheless always been the King's good servant, and has things of the greatest importance to reveal; also that there is a great personage in France who sends information hither, his servant passing and repassing secretly by way of Normandy; also that if required he will gain over a clerk of the First Secretary here, and so know all affairs. Has thought for a long time that N. (fn. 2) desired to accost him, and has been avoiding the man, not knowing how the King would take it. The young gentleman from Dieppe is about 20 or 21 years of age, tall and good looking. It is said that he is a relative of N. (fn. 2) and that his father, in Normandy, has 2,000 or 3,000 livres of rent. He wears a shabby coat and cape, but his under garments and bonnet show that he has been used to go well dressed and he has six servants with him. He returns to Normandy shortly. The affair is disquieting, and great diligence and secrecy must be used, especially if use is to be made of the personage who is here. London, 18 Nov. 1546.
Forgot to say that he who makes such offers of service recounted that the Secretary of the Emperor's ambassador here had just come from the Emperor's camp, having passed through that of the Protestants upon pretence of being a servant of this King.
Fr.
18 Nov.415. Selve to Paget.
R. O.
St. P., xi. 348.
The Scotch ambassadors lately come hither inform him that the King has prepared men of war on his ships for a descent in Scotland to the aid of the castle of St. Andrews; which would be open war and a contravention of the treaty, wherein at his master's request the Scots are comprehended. The Scots published and accepted that comprehension, by letters patent, as certified when the Admiral was here; and it was agreed to make like publication in this realm and admit commissioners from Scotland to present the said letters patent and receive the like; and now that the said commissioners are here it would be a strange thing if the King should publicly make war upon their country or give armed aid to its rebels. Thinks it his duty to make this remonstrance to Paget as one of the King's principal ministers, who may report it without the writer's troubling the King for audience upon the matter. Has informed the said ambassadors of the complaints here of Scottish depredations, and they are ready to give satisfaction, but say that depredations which are the offences of private delinquents cannot give cause for war. By last treaty, the King should not move war against them unless in the case of a new occasion, which should be interpreted according to the treaty of 1515, viz., that private depredations are not to break the comprehension unless they are made by 300 or more, and justice is refused by Scotland after due requisition. If the King alleges some new occasion it would become the amity between them to advertise the writer's master of the occasion and the claim to be thereby quit of the comprehension, before invading Scotland. London, 18 Nov. 1546. Signed.
French, pp. 2. Add. Endd.
18 Nov.416. The Earls of Shrewsbury.
Shrewsb. MS.
P., p 341.
Heralds'
College.
Statement of debts to the Crown by George earl of Shrewsbury, under an indenture dated 6 June 19 Hen. VIII., and of payments which were made thereon to Mr. Wiatt, Sir Brian Tuke and Anthony Guydote. Also of debts by Francis earl of Shrewsbury, partly for the wardship of John lord Bray, and payments made thereon to William Cavendishe, now treasurer, between 26 Feb. 37 Hen. VIII. and 18 Nov. 38 Hen. VIII.
Pp. 3.
18 Nov.417. Harry [Lord] Nevell to Sir Wm. Paget.
R. O.Writes to declare the whole circumstance of his grievous offences. A month "before Christmas next shall be two years," Menvill came to him in his garden and said "My lord, I know that you are far in debt," &c. (words quoted) and, speaking to him about his debts and the money he was daily losing at play, suggested that he should get a ring made to ensure his winning; to which Stafford could help him. Stafford, who was about to ride into the country to the writer's father, (fn. 3) at first objected on account of there being an Act against the practice, but finally agreed and brought a man, the next morning, who, as Menvill said "seemeth to be both wise and wealthy, not in a threadbare coat as commonly these imperfect multipliers be, but well apparelled like a cunning man in his craft." Told the man, whose name was Wisdom, what he wanted. He replied that he could work the ring by two ways, by good or evil spirits, but he would work it by the holy angels and would require good recompense, for he only did such things for friends, most of his practice being in physic; he supposed he would be worth to Nevell some 2,000l. or 3,000l. this Christmas, and asked 20l. a year during life. Refused this, and finally agreed to pay him 10l. a year after his father's death, if it take effect, and meanwhile to reward him according to his winnings. Gave him 4 marks to buy necessaries, and he came and stopped at Nevell's house till Christmas. Every day he went abroad and only practised at the ring between 3 and 4 a.m. and 5 and 6 p.m. "For he said the angels could not be spared from their divine service all the day long, therefore they must be taken before their matins and after their evensong." On Christmas morning Wisdom brought him the ring and a patent to sign. Objected to the way it was drawn up, but finally signed it. Went to Myles' house to dinner, and played with Myles, Sir Nic. Poynes and Thistellthwayte, winning 30l., "as the devil would to blind me the more." Gave Wisdom 40s. who offered, if he would give him 4l. to buy necessaries, to make him play as well on the lute and virginals as any man in England, which could only be done on St. Stephen's Day, the next day after. Describes the method of supplicating the God Orpheus, who was to appear like a little boy; but the ceremony was interrupted by Sir Rauf Bulmer, and Wisdom said the hour was past, and it could not be done again till St. Stephen's Day next. Went in the afternoon to Domyngoes to play at dice and lost all he had. Was in a great rage and demanded his money and patent of Wisdom, who pacified him, saying that Menvill had learnt from "a blind man which was a Jew born and a practiser of the same art" that under a cross beside a town of his father's in the North there lay a great sum of money; he would that night enquire of a spirit that he had in a crystal stone how much. Next morning he came saying that there was 2,000l. in "Portegewes." Gave him and Menvill 20 nobles to fetch it, but Menvill returned alone, saying they had overturned the cross and there was nothing there, and that Wisdom was afraid to come to him, saying that he (Nevell) was so vicious that he could work nothing for him. In the first week of Lent Menvill and Wisdom came to him at tennis play at Westminster and offered to dispatch his wife for him so that no one should know but that she died by God's hand. Refused this proposal. Met them again by chance, at Moregate on Mid Lent Sunday, when Wisdom told him he had practised the death both of his father and his wife. Was so astonished that he wist not what to do or say, and cursed the time that ever he saw them, for they had gone about, though he knew it was not in their power, what would undo themselves and shame him for ever, for it would be thought to come by his procurement. Sent for Wisdom's father to speak to him in Morefeldes, but old Wisdom "quickly" disclaimed any knowledge of the matter. Next day Menvill came back to him and begged to be taken into favour again, which Nevell consented to do if he would help him to take Wisdom. Narrates how he next day captured him and went to the duke of Suffolk at the Barbican to declare the matter to him, but was told by Mr. Nawnton that the Duke was ill and he could not see him. On returning home Wisdom persuaded him to let him go by dwelling on his danger in consenting to the making of the ring and overthrowing of the cross. Sent Menvill into the country two days after and has since had nothing to do with either of them. Cannot remember every word and hour of times and sayings two years ago, and especially of what he has abhorred to remember ever since, but has declared the whole circumstances as his memory can serve. Asks God's and the King's forgiveness, submitting himself to the King's mercy. Trusts that Paget will intercede for him. The Fleet, 18 Nov. Signed on every page.
Pp. 8. Add.: To, etc., Sir William Paget, knight, chief secretary to the King's Majesty. Endd. By Lord Burghley: The lo. Nevilles confession.
418. Harry [lord] Nevell to Paget.
R. O.Asks him to be a suitor to the King to forgive him. Is not the first man who has been like to be brought to perdition by temptation of the devil and naughty counsel. Is penitent for his vicious living. Doubts not his father will forgive him, and his wife too, whose love for him is great. Asks Paget to beg the King for his life and that he may come before none of the Council but Paget, as he has already asked him. Asks him to allow Master Brougthoune, who has always exhorted him to live after the laws of God, to come and see him.
Hol., pp. 3. Add. Mr. Secretary Paget.
419. Harry [lord] Nevill to Paget.
R. O.When he was with Paget, was stricken with such a sudden fear that his remembrance failed. Writes now the whole truth, not for safeguard of his life but for discharging of his conscience. Never consented to his father's destruction, or knew of it till the deed was done. His offence was in keeping it close and not uttering it. The seeking his wife's destruction came not from him or by his procurement, but by "his" enticing him to consent to that abominable deed. Does not speak because he would have his life saved, for he has deserved to die if he had twenty lives. Does not expect life, trusting that his soul shall be saved. Repeats what [Wisdom] said to induce him to consent to his wife's death; that he did not love her and was ruining his body and soul with harlots; that she would fain be dead and her soul would be saved, and he could then marry a wife whom he loved. Promised never to utter it, but never procured it. Paget will find this to be true when he examines "him." Was so troubled that he locked him up and would have uttered it to the duke of Suffolk but Wisdom persuaded him that if he did, he would die as well, and the fear of that made him hold his peace. George Stafford knows no more of this wicked deed than the child newborn, for he was in the North with Nevell's father, having gone home before Christmas. Is sorry that he took upon himself to profess the word of God with his lips, and live clean contrary. Thanks him for sending Master Brougtoune. Asks credence for him concerning his debts. Monday morning.
Hol., pp. 4. Add.: Master Secretary.
420. Harry [lord] Nevell to Paget.
R. O.Asks him to be a mean to the King for him that he will grant him his life. Prays God he may be an example to all noblemen's sons how to live wickedly, keeping no sage nor wise man to give him counsel. "Let not that noble blood be shamed through my negligence, which hath ever served the King and all his so truly." Takes God to witness that no man bears the King a truer heart. Begs Paget to save his name, as his humble suit was last night. From Master Peryse house.
Hol., pp. 2. Add. Master Secretary Paget.
421. Harry [lord] Nevell to Henry VIII.
R. O.Begs for his compassion. Never consented to such an abominable and unnatural deed of himself but for lack of grace, and by naughty counsel and lack of wit and by the temptation of the devil and the frailness of youth, has offended the law and committed a detestable offence against his father and his wife. Has never been his own man since the day the deed was done, which will be two years come Palm Sunday, but has been in great despair. Doubts not that if the King is gracious to him, his father will be a merciful and natural father to him, forgive him on his repentence and humbly sue to the King for his life, when he considers the naughty nature of the man called "Nyenyeane Menvell "whom he brought up as a boy and procured a pardon (fn. 4) for when he had committed robbery. His wife is so good a lady and of so gentle a nature that she will forgive him. No wife can be more loving and obedient. His naughty living and neglect of her has brought him unto this adversity. She loves him so that she will covet no life after his death. Asks the King to grant him his life that he may make amends. Prays God to preserve the King and Prince.
Hol., pp. 3. Add.
18 Nov.422. Cobham and Seymour to Henry VIII.
R. O.
St. P., xi., 346.
On the 15th, with the French commissioners, viewed the works at St. Estiennes and Portest. Told them that it appeared uncertain whether the work at St. Estiennes was begun before the treaty or since, and that 100 labourers might in three hours raise a greater work; and as for Portest that there was only a trench which Mons. du Bies cast for safeguard of his ordnance. They would have debated this matter, but we desired to discuss the limits until we received your resolution concerning the fortifications; and so appointed to meet next day and view the "longer and greater river of Kekes and Villemountiers" according to your instructions given upon the information of your ambassador in France. Accordingly, we and Sir Thos. Moyle, Sir Thos. Palmer and your surveyor of Bolloyne (Sir Edw. Wotton, your treasurer of Caleis, being then and yet vexed with gout) met them at Selles; but, finding it difficult to judge the bigness of the rivers, agreed that on Wednesday, the 17th, Courte de Bourne and John de Pocho on their part, and on ours Sir Harry Palmer and your surveyor at Bolloyne, should measure the lengths. They desire dus to dine with them at Ardres on Thursday as they had dined with us at Guisnes. On Wednesday the branch of Villemontiers was found the longer by 2,000 paces. After dinner they would have spoken of the fortifications, but we desired them to wait until we received your resolution to-morrow night, and meanwhile we might settle the limits. They, however, said that they had advertised their King of our allegation concerning the two branches (for themselves knew of no such agreement) and expected answer to-morrow night. Appointed therefore to meet on Saturday next. They charged us with slenderly delaying the matter of fortifications, having by our commission power to conclude; and they seem determined to conclude nothing until the matter of the fortifications is resolved, but (in pursuance of the Council's letter, which, owing to contrary weather, only reached us this morning) we will try to defer the full conclusion till we know your further pleasure.
Baron de la Garde, complaining of the miserable imprisonment of those taken in the galley, who, in the Marshalsea, among thieves, beg daily for their living, required that they might, for their money, which he would send, be released. Castle of Guysnes, 18 Nov. 10 p.m.
P.S.—After all the debates, we refused to speak of the galley until other matters were determined. Signed.
Pp. 4. Add. Endd.: 1546.
19 Nov.423. Selve to the French Ambassador in Flanders.
Corresp.,
No. 63.
The money sent to Antwerp is 40,000l. st., about 160,000 cr.; and bearer will deliver a memorandum. Rumours of war against Scotland. Scottish ambassadors at London. London, 19 Nov. 1546.
Fr.
[19] Nov.424. Sir Thomas Palmer to Paget.
R. O.Since the coming of the French commissioners I have had sundry frank communications with St. Jarmayne touching Portet, the haven there, the point against the Old Man and St. Ttyens, which I can best declare to the King by mouth; and therefore, to-morrow morning, I repair to my charge, to set it in order and "make a step over to his Majesty for that purpose; and in the meason (sic), if it may be conveniently, I would wish the answer of the fortification at Porttet, whether it should be granted or denied, might hang in suspense." Guisnes castle, this Thursday at night the ––––– (blank) day of November.
Hol., p. 1. Add.: To etc., "in hast, hast, post hast with all poseble deligence." Endd.: 1546.
19 Nov.425. W. Lord Stourton to Paget.
R. O.It having pleased God to call to His mercy Mr. Bourchier, our lieutenant here; and, divers young gentlemen making suit for that "romth," I beg you to be means to the King to appoint someone of "wisdom, sadness and experience," to whom I may trust this piece whatsoever "chance of me." Desires that William Permentyer, who has well served about the victuals here, may have the "romth" of customer which is still void. Niewe Haven, 19 Nov. 1546. Signed.
Pp. 2. Add. Endd.
19 Nov.426. Sir Richard Caundysshe to the Council.
R. O.It appears by their letter of 11 Nov. that complaint is made against Thomas Cowper of Ipswhiche, to whom he delivered the King's commission to be purveyor of his house. Doubtless if the Council examine him before his accusers he will make answer: and certainly the writer never appointed him to take one pennyworth without satisfying the parties. What he has brought hither is 4 tun of beer, 6 barrels of meal, 2 qr. Of wheat, 8 weys of cheese, 3 barrels of butter and 3 doz. Capons; and if he has conveyed any more into outward parts he ought to be answerable. Victuals come so slowly hither that the poor men suffer much hunger. Bread and beer can only be had from Callice, which sends them barley bread baken at 30s. the qr. And beer not worth 2s. 6d. the barrel at Callice, which costs here 6s. 8d.; and neither soldier nor labourer is able to buy apparel against the cold weather, which is more extreme than he has seen anywhere, for the season. Eftsoons reminds them for the payment of these poor soldiers, and appointment of officers. Blakneshe, 19 Nov. Signed.
Pp. 2. Add. Endd.
20 Nov.427. Lord Grey to Paget.
R. O.I wrote heretofore, to prevent suits of others, for the passage over to Dover and for the giving of passports for tallow and hides; and you willed me to be content, and when any suit should be made therein you would stay it. In hope of the same I have given the passage to bearer, John Spuddle, a servant of the King here, who has taken great pains and suffered great losses in service in the wars, both in my lord Poyninges' time and my lord of Surrey's, and has strained himself and his friends to furnish it. And now I am informed that one Bramforde, who never served here, has obtained it of the King by patent. If so, I must needs be sorry to have put the bearer to charges, and "to beat the bush whilst others take the birds." Begs him, if the patent be not gone too far, to stay it. Bulloigne, 20 Nov. 1546. Signed.
P.S.—In Callice and other like places the passage pertains to the mayor; and, as the mayor's authority here is still in my charge, the passage should be mine to dispose upon him that by good service deserves it, rather than that one who never served here should rob others of their reward.
P. 1. Add. Endd.

Footnotes

1 See Vol. XVII, No. 841.
2 "Berteville" struck out.
3 The earl of Westmoreland.
4 In the year 1537. See Vol. XII. Pt. i. No. 978; Pt. ii. 191(13).