Journal, November 1719
November 3. Present:—Sir Charles Cooke, Mr. Docminique.
Silk weavers, Canterbury.
Mr. Philip Manneke, of the Company of Silk Weavers at Canterbury, attending with Mr. John Carter, Mr. Bennet Metcalf and
Mr. John Gregory, factors in London for the said Weavers of
Canterbury, they presented to the Board a representation from the
Master, Wardens and Assistants of the said Company, which was
read. And Mr. Manneke being asked whether any of the weavers at
Canterbury were imployed in the woollen manufacture, he said,
there were some few imployed in woollen, some in silk and wool &c.,
but that their chief business at Canterbury was the making brocaded
and rich silks. Their Lordships likewise inquired of him what
number of apprentices they took, and whether greater numbers
had been brought up to the weaving trade at Canterbury than
mentioned in the said representation. Whether there were not
weaver's apprentices bound in other Companies, and what a journeyman weaver, being a midling workman, could earn per week there.
To which Mr. Manneke answered that they had been very exact in
their inquiries concerning the state of their Company at Canterbury,
and he assured their Lordsps. that upon a strict scrutiny the number
of apprentices &c. were the same as mentioned in the said representation. That they had a rule formerly of taking but two apprentices, though of late the great boys were fetched to London before
they were out of their time. That a midling workman of a weaver,
with the assistance of a boy, might earn 14 or 15 shilling per week,
and a very good workman 10 shillings for himself, clear of charges.
Messieurs Carter, Metcalf and Gregory were then asked to what
value there might be sold annually in London of the silk goods
made up at Canterbury. To which they answered that they themselves might sell to the value of about £40,000 per annum, and other
factors about half as much more, one year with another, which they
all agreed was not in the whole above one half the quantity which
used formerly to be sold, they having known £120,000 worth sold
in a year about 25 or 26 years ago.
November 4. Present:—Mr. Chetwynd, Sir Charles Cooke,
Mr. Docminique, Mr. Pulteney.
Turkey Company's Memorial.
Sir Gerard Conyers, Deputy Govr. of the Levant or Turkey
Company, attending with Mr. Boddington, they presented to the
Board a memorial from the said Company in answer to the Secry's.
letter of the 8th of the last month on the subject of the weaver's
petition, concerning the prejudice their trade receives from the
great use of calicoes, which memorial was read.
A memorial from the Corporation of Norwich and Company of
Weavers there, dated the 28th of the last month, in answer to the
letter writ to the Mayor of that city, on the subject of the petition
of the Weavers of London, was read.
Letter from Mr. Martin, Weavers' petition.
A letter from Mr. David Martin, with a supplement to his memorial
on the subject of the Weavers' petition, was likewise read. And
directions given for writing to Mr. Davenport, Master of the Company
of Silk Throwers in London, to desire, the said Company will prepare
and bring to this Board in writing, on this day 7 night, what they
have to offer in relation to the said petition of the Weavers.
Letter from Mr. Woolley, Secretary to the East India Company.
Two letters from Mr. Woolley, Secry. to the East India Company,
of the 23rd and 28th October, the one desiring a copy of the Weavers'
petition, and the other acknowledging the receipt of a copy thereof,
Mr. Lekeux's answer to queries.
Mr. Lekeux's answer to several queries upon the Weavers' petition,
Names of Calicoe Printers.
A list of the names of the principal calico printers, and account
of the number of persons imployed by them. And
Memorial, Mr. Eader.
A memorial from Mr. Thomas Eader, on the subject of the Weavers'
petition, particularly relating to the woollen manufacture, were
also read. And their Lordsps. agreed to take the said several
papers relating to the Weavers' petition into further consideration
on this day sevenight.
Letter from Mr. Bladen, Limits.
Letter to Mr. Bladen.
Two letters from Mr. Bladen, one of His Majesty's Commissaries
for treating with those of France, relating to the limits of the Dominions of the two Crowns in America &c., the one to the Board,
the other to the Secry. both dated the 7th of November, 1719, N.S.,
were read. And the four arrests or edicts therewith received,
relating to calicoes and other stuffs, were laid before the Board.
Whereupon a letter to Mr. Bladen, acknowledging the receipt of
those from him abovementioned, &c., was agreed and signed.
Mr. Pulteney, Queries, Capitulation.
Letter to Advocate General.
Mr. Pulteney laying before the Board several queries relating
to the capitulation of the Island of Nevis, when that Island was
invaded by the French on 1706, their Lordships gave directions
for sending the said queries to Sir Nat. Lloyd, His Majesty's Advocate
Genl., for his answer thereto, as soon as may be.
Memorial from Colonel Lillington Copy to Mr. Delafaye.
A memorial from Col. Lillington lately arrived from Barbadoes,
dated the 31st of October past, relating to the Islands of St. Lucia
and St. Vincent's, and the attempts of the French upon those Islands,
was read. Whereupon ordered that a copy of the said memorial
be transmitted to Mr. Delafaye, to be laid before their Excellencies
the Lords Justices, and the draft of a letter to Mr. Delafaye, for
that purpose, was agreed.
Letter from Mr. Carkesse.
A letter from Mr. Carkesse, Secry. to the Commissrs. of the
Customs, dated the 23rd, in answer to a letter writ him the 22nd of
the last month, relating to the account of ships cleared from Great
Britain since Christmas, 1714, was read.
November 11. Present:—Mr. Chetwynd, Sir Charles Cooke,
Papers, Weavers' petition.
Their Lordships took again into consideration the several papers
relating to the petition of the weavers, and Mr. Eader and some
others of the Weavers Company attending, they presented to the
Board an account of the number of apprentices bound annually
to weavers for ten years ending in August last: as also,
Weavers carried into France.
Four depositions relating to several weavers, wool combers and
other artificers being carried into France and imployed there, on
the great incouragement given them in that kingdom, and the
decay of their trades in Great Britain. In the consideration whereof
their Lordsps. resolved to proceed to-morrow morning.
Silk Throwers' Memorial.
Several of the Company of Silk Throwers attending, presented
to the Board a memorial, as desired, on the subject of the Weavers'
petition relating to the decay of their trade, which memorial was
read, and the same being in general terms, they were asked, if they
could not give account of the particulars wherein their trade suffers
and the occasions thereof, whereupon they excused themselves for
being so general in their said memorial, by reason of the short time
they had after calling a Court of Assistants, and these gentlemen
promising another memorial more at large on this subject, their
memorial now read was returned them, and they were particularly
desired to give account what proportion of the raw silk now thrown
may be consumed annually in manufacture, and what quantity
in stitching and sowing silk. In the meantime, their Lordships
inquired of Mr. Thomas Miller, one of the said Company now present,
what quantity of Ardass silk is thrown here annually, whereupon
he said, he had known 4 or 500 bales thrown in a year formerly,
but that now there are not 50 bales.
Letter from Mr. Delafaye.
Instructions to Mr. Pulteney and Mr. Bladen.
A letter from Mr. Delafaye, Secry. to the Lords Justices, dated
the 4th instant, inclosing a copy of their excellencies' instructions
to Mr. Pulteney and Mr. Bladen, His Majesty's Commissaries at
the Court of France, directing this Board to correspond with, and
give them advice, was read.
Letter from Mr. Bladen.
A letter from Mr. Bladen, dated at Paris the 11th Nov. N.S.,
together with a memorial for fixing the limits of the Hudsons Bay
Company, were read.
Advocate Generals answer to Queries.
Copy to Messieurs Pulteney, Bladen.
Sir Nathanial Lloyd, His Majesty's Advocate General's answer
to Mr. Pulteney's queries, sent him the 6th inst., relating to the
capitulation of Nevis in 1706, was read. Whereupon ordered that
a copy of the said answer be sent to Mr. Pulteney and Mr. Bladen,
for their information.
November 12. Present:—Mr. Chetwynd, Sir Charles Cooke,
Merchants, Scots linen.
Duty on Scots linen.
Drawback on German linens.
Mr. William Fead and some other merchants and factors dealing in
Scots linnen attending, presented to the Board a representation in
behalf of themselves and others on the subject of the Petition of the
Weavers of London, which representation was read. And these
gentlemen being asked several questions concerning the linnens
made in Scotland, as to the quantity brought into England, its
quality, value and uses, they said, that there may be annually
imported into England the value of about £200,000, most of which is
printed here, and but a small quantity used white, the Scots linnen
being chiefly of a sleezy soft kind proper for colouring, and neither
so good nor so cheap as the linnens from Germany &c., which are
used white. That the duty on Scots linnen, printed or stained here,
may annually amount to 5 or £600 or more, computed at 3d. per yard
square. That the said linnens are ¾ of a yard or a yard broad, and
usually sell from 9 to 12 per yard. That the drawback on German
linnens makes them cheaper than those of Scotland for exportation.
Mr. Fead then suggested to their Lordships, that the decay of the
weavers' trade here was occasioned by their own idleness, and the
masters taking a great number of apprentices. He was desired to
bring to their Lordships the best proofs he could of those allegations
or any others he might have to offer on that subject.
Mr. West's Report. Act.
Mr. West's report upon an Act past at Nevis in March, 1718/19,
intituled An Act for raising a Poll Tax on negroes and other slaves
belonging to the plantations and inhabitants of this Island of Nevis,
and on the freeholders, householders and traders of the towns thereof,
was read. And their Lordsps. having no objection to the said Act,
a representation was agreed and signed for laying the same before
their excellencies the Lords Justices.
Mr. Eader and others of the Company of Weavers attending,
the depositions presented to the Board yesterday, and account
undermentioned, were severally read, viz.
Deposition of John Purkis, taken the 3rd of Nov., 1719, relating
to several manufacturers &c. going from Great Britain to be
imployed at Tankerville, and elsewhere in France.
Depositions of Thomas Piggot and Thomas Cox, taken 4th
Nov., 1719, relating to manufacturers and artificers taken
from Great Britain to France.
Deposition of Michael Cleare, taken 4th Nov., 1719, relating
to several pressers and weavers being gone to France with
their implements, on the great incouragement given them in
that kingdom, and the decay of trade here.
Deposition of William Ellicombe, taken 4th Nov., 1719, relating
to a person by the name of Brown endeavouring to seduce
him and other woollcombers into France, and
Apprentices to Weavers.
Account of the number of apprentices bound to weavers
annually for ten years ending in August, 1719.
November 17. Present:—Sir Charles Cooke, Mr. Pelham.
Printed calicoes, Imported.
Their Lordships taking into further consideration the petition
of the Weavers and other papers on that subject, ordered that a
letter be writ to Mr. Peter Lekeux, to desire he will consult such
other gentlemen as he shall think fitting, on the allegation in the
said petition, that great numbers of printed calicoes have been
annually clandestinely imported into this kingdom, and that he
will let this Board have his thoughts thereupon on Thursday morning next, with what computation he can make of the quantities of
printed calicoes, so imported.
November 18. Present:—Earl of Westmorland, Sir Charles
Cooke, Mr. Docminique, Mr. Pelham.
Mr. Cummings, Wool.
Imports and Exports.
State of Fishery.
A memorial from Mr. Cumings, dated at Boston in New England,
the 23rd of May last, relating to the wool of New England, the
fortifications there, and to the imports and exports at the Port of
Boston, was read. And the said Mr. Cumings being lately arrived
from those parts and attending the Board, he was called in, and a
box of wool mentioned in the said memorial being laid before their
Lordships, they had some discourse with him concerning it, and
agreed to discourse with him further on that subject at another
opportunity. In the meantime he was desired to prepare and
bring to the Board the best account he can give of the present
state of the fishery of New England, which he promised.
Printed Calicoes and linens.
Answered by them.
Foreign wrought silks imported.
Mr. Newnham and several other linnen drapers attending, presented to their Lordships a representation signed by the said drapers
and others who deal in printed calicoes and printed linnens, which
representation was read. And their Lordships having asked these
gentlemen several questions on the subject of their representation,
particularly what proof they had of relanding of calicoes, after their
being entered for exportation ? What proportion of muslins come
under the general name of calicoes ? What quantity of calicoes
are used white, and what printed and stained ? And what linnens
are printed and stained ? They said, it is generally known, though
they had not at present any particular proof that the calicoes are re-landed. That they are chiefly used in the counties
upon the coast, and few or none of them brought to London. That
they could not at present give an exact account what proportion
of muslins came under the general name of calicoes, but that a
distinct account of the duty on muslins, is kept at the Custom House
from that of calicoes. That 19/20 of the calicoes imported are printed
or stained here, and not above 500 pieces used white, of a sort of
fine calicoes called Sanoes. That the duties for printing calicoes
and linnen amounted to about £51,000, whereof £15,000 was for
linnen. That the linnens printed in this kingdom are Scots and
Irish linnen, there being very little or no German linnen imported
for printing, it being generally starched, and for that reason unfit
for printing, as likewise not so proper in other respects. Mr.
Newnham further acquainted the Board that before the Revolution,
or the printing of linnen was in use here, he sold as much Scots
linnen in England as now, though the linnens of Scotland are at
present mostly used for printing, the Scots linnen being formerly
dyed and used by the women for aprons and by the men for linings
of cloaths, a fashion now laid aside. That what was formerly
dyed being now printed for other purposes, the trade is much the
same, though if printing were restrained, there would not be the
same demand for dyed linnens as heretofore. Mr. Newnham and
the other drapers being then asked their opinion concerning the
importation of foreign wrought silks, they said, that ever since
the prohibition of East India wrought silks, the importation of
wrought silks from other foreign countries has increased, and
particularly the last year.
Silk Throwers, reasons against wearing Calicoes.
The drapers abovementioned being withdrawn, and several of the
Company of Silk Throwers attending, they presented to the Board
the reasons of the said Company against the wearing of calicoes,
which was read.
And the said Silk Throwers being withdrawn.
Letter to Secretary of the East India Company.
Ordered that a letter be writ to Mr. Woolley, Secretary to the
East India Company, to know as soon as possible, whether that
Company have anything to offer upon what the Secretary of this
Board writ to the said Mr. Woolley the 23rd of the last month,
relating to the Weavers' Petition.
November 19. Present:—Earl of Westmorland, Mr. Chetwynd,
Sir Charles Cooke, Mr. Docminique, Mr. Pelham.
Letter from Mr. Lekeux.
A letter from Mr. Peter Lekeux, dated this day, in answer to the
letter writ him by the Secretary the 17th instant, concerning the
quantity of calicoes re-imported &c., was read.
Letter from Brigadier Hunter.
A letter from Brigadier Hunter, Governor of New York, to the
Secry., dated this day, with a large map of those parts, was read.
Reference Lord Archibald Hamilton's Memorial.
A reference to this Board from Mr. Delafaye, of the Lord Archd.
Hamilton's memorial to the Lords Justices, in relation to money
advanced by his Lordship for the subsistence of the soldiers at
Jamaica, which the Assembly of that island have refused to pay,
dated the 4th of September, 1719, was read, together with the said
memorial. And their Lordsps. gave directions for preparing the
draught of a representation to His Majesty thereupon.
Order of Council.
Mr. Usher's petition.
An Order of Council of 11th of June last, referring to this Board
the petition of John Usher, Esqr., formerly Treasurer of several
Colonies in New England, about passing his accounts, and praying
payment of what is due unto him from the said Colonies, and
expended for their use &c., was read, together with the said petition;
whereupon ordered that Mr. Usher have notice to attend the Board
on Tuesday morning next.
Order of Council, Mr. Piers' petition.
Title to a Plantation lost.
An Order of Council, of 11th of June, 1719, referring to the Board
the petition of Lewis Piers, gentleman, praying for Letters Patents
to confirm his title to a plantation in Mountserrat, the record whereof
has been either burnt or taken away by the enemy, was read,
together with the said petition. Whereupon ordered that the said
Mr. Piers have notice to attend the Board on Wednesday morning
Letter from Colonel Gledhill, a Road to St. John's Harbour.
A letter from Col. Gledhill, dated at Placentia in Newfoundland,
the 1st of October last, proposing the cutting a road through the
woods from that place to the Harbour of St. Johns, was read.
Whereupon ordered that Col. Moody be acquainted that the
Board desire to speak with him the first opportunity on this subject.
Letter from Mr. Wych, Hamburg, Herrings.
Extract to Lord Provost of Edinburgh.
A letter from Mr. Wych, His Majesty's Resident at Hamburgh,
dated 31st October, 1719, N.S., relating to the allowances for a
Supervisor and two Wrackers of herrings there, to the quantity
and quality of herrings imported this year and to Dutch woollen
manufactures entered at Stade, was read. Whereupon ordered
that a copy of the two first paragraphs of the said letter be sent to
the Lord Provost of Edinburgh, for the information of the Royal
Boroughs of Scotland.