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September 1710, 1-8

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'Minute Book: September 1710, 1-8', Calendar of Treasury Books, Volume 24: 1710 (1952), pp. 45-51. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=85720 Date accessed: 01 September 2014.


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September 1710

Sept. 1,
forenoon.
Treasury
Chambers,
Whitehall.
Present: all the five Lords.
My Lords direct [the Queen's printer to supply] the copies of several Acts as desired by the Commissioners of Trade and Plantations.
Send to the Navy Commissioners the memorial of the Contractors with the Navy and desire the said Commissioners to be here on Tuesday morning with their report and opinion thereupon.
[My Lords direct] 6,975l. 7s. 0d. [to Mr. Bridges] for two months' subsistence to the Regiments of Hotham, Windsor, Ilay and Montandre to Aug. 23 last: on the Establishment [of the Forces] for Spain and Portugal: [to be issued] out of Annuity money in the Exchequer.
Mr. Bridges and Sir Theodore Janssen are called in. The former is to write to Mr. Chetwynd to give notice to Monsieur Columba and Calvin (struck through), contractors for remittances for Barcelona, that they furnish the extra sums stipulated in the contract: and Sir Theodore will write to them not to insist on the two months' notice and to encourage them to furnish the money as Mr. Chetwyn shall desire it.
Sir Theodore Janssen proposes to give his bill for [on] Turin payable at 60 days' date for 106,6662/3 Crowns (being for two months' subsidy to the Duke of Savoy) at 59 pence per Crown of 82 sols each, money of Piedmont: [he] to be [re]paid for the same in Exchequer Bills in three months [from the date of furnishing the money] with interest at 6 per cent. per an. and [with the security of] a deposit of tallies to the amount of the said bill. My Lords desire him to come again on Tuesday.
[My Lords order that] the officers of the Scotch Mint are to make a bill of the expenses of their journey [to London for the purpose of the Trial of the Pix] and present the same to my Lords.
Mr. Gold and Mr. Ward [being called in for the Bank] say that the discounts of Exchequer Bills are so high they dare not issue out any more at present to the [accounting] officers of the Navy and Forces [i.e. the Treasurer of the Navy and the Paymasters of the Forces] who desire their assistance. The discount now is 28s. per cent. (fn. 1)
[Send word to] Mr. Abercromie to be here on Monday morning.
Mr. Walpole [being called in] says that contracts are signed for the forage in Scotland for the coming year but about 4,000l. is due to Mr. Campbell for last year. Treasury Minute Book XVII, p. 197.
Eodem die,
afternoon.
Present: all the five Lords.
Mr. [Edward] Harley [one of the] Auditors [of Imprests] is called in. The general certificate of the state of the accounts [of the respective accounting officers of all the Public Offices] is read.
Ordered that the officers of the Exchequer do issue process [without further order and as a matter] of course every issuable term against [public] debtors and accomptants in default.
[My Lords] order Mr. Savery to attend on Tuesday to show cause why he is so far behind in his accounts [for the Sick and Wounded].
Mr. Maynwaring [the other Auditor of Imprests] comes in.
[My Lords order their Secretary to] enquire whether the privy seal relating to the Earl of Ranelagh's account be passed.
The process [of Exchequer] ought to go [as a matter] of course against the executors of Mr. William Harbord [on his accounts as former Paymaster of the Forces in Ireland].
Enquire whether the privy seal relating to Mr. Bridges' account [as Paymaster of the Forces Abroad] be passed.
Enquire how process against Mr. Pereira [on the account of the contract for bread, bread waggons and forage for the Troops in the Low Countries] can be made effectual.
The process [of Exchequer] ought to go of course against Israel Feilding [on his accounts as Commissary of Provisions for the Army in Ireland].
The like against the administratrix of Mr. [Daniel] Butts [on his accounts as Commissary for transporting Irish soldiers to France in 1691 and 1692].
The like against the executor or administrator of Mr. Shales [on his accounts for provisions for the Army in Ireland].
Send to Mr. Lonsdale to shew cause why the Treasurer of the Ordnance's accounts are so far behind (struck through) not passed to Midsummer last.
Send to Lord Torrington desiring him to pass his account as Master of the Robes annis 1686 and 1687.
Process ought to go according to the course of the Exchequer against the heirs, executors and terre-tenants of Thomas Lloyd, late Paymaster of the Works, for the passing of his accounts and against his deputy Mr. Thomas Tailor if he gave security for the same or be liable thereunto.
Send to Mr. Dummer to shew cause why the Duke of Montague's accounts [as Master] of the Great Wardrobe are not passed.
[Send] to Mr. Hewer to meet the two Auditors [of Imprests] here this day week in the afternoon about finishing his own and Mr. Pepys's accounts [as successively Treasurer for Tangier] which have so long depended.
The [Exchequer] process ought to go of course against Mr. Mason as Receiver for the Transports.
Direct Mr. Rowland Holt, Mr. Langton and the Husband of the Four and a Half per cent. Duty with Mr. Ferne [the Customs Cashier] to attend here on Tuesday afternoon about the General Account of the Customs and other Duties.
The Commissioners for Hawkers and Pedlars are to shew cause why their accounts are so far in arrear.
The Commissioners of Wine Licences and the Receiver [of same] are to do the like.
Process is to go against the Farmers of the Royal Oak Lottery.
Send to the Deputy Remembrancer [of the Exchequer] to be here this day sevennight to satisfy my Lords that process is duly issued according to the course of the Exchequer [in the above cases and automatically in like cases].
The Agents [for Taxes] are to let the Receivers [General of Taxes] know they were not to be continued but by their good behaviour.
The Agents [for Taxes] are to go to the [Queen's] Remembrancer's Office to see what duplicates are wanting. Ibid., pp. 198–9.
Sept. 4.Present: all the five Lords.
Petitions are read and the minutes [of my Lords' answers and decisions thereon are endorsed] on them.
Mr. Abercrombie and Sir Alexander Cummyns are [to have notice] to be here at six in the afternoon.
[My Lords order] Mr. John Campbell to have 2,300l. for dry forage [furnished in the time] preceding 15 May 1710: to be raised on the tallies on the Candle Duty Act in Mr. How's hands.
[Send word] to Mr. Mason to attend on Friday afternoon about the moneys he owes to the Crown. The Commissioners of Transports to be here then. Ibid., p. 200.
Eodem die,
afternoon.
Present: all the five Lords.
Petitions are read and the minutes [of my Lords' answers and decisions thereon are endorsed] on them.
[Write] Mr. Baker and Mr. Gosslin to be here on Monday in the afternoon about the demands of the seamen of the ship Worcester.
Sir Alexander Cummyns and Mr. Abercromy [are] called in. The memorial of the widow of James Douglas is read. The memorial of the magistrates of Aberdeen is read and the memorial of Mr. Abercromy is likewise read. [My Lords decide to] report their several pretensions to the Queen. Treasury Minute Book XVII, p. 200.
Sept. 5.Present: all the five Lords.
The 1,000l. to Lieut. Gen. Webb is to be issued for him to Mr. Bridges in specie.
The letters [of direction] for 5,000l. advanced by Mr. Ferne and 14,300l. by Mr. Whitfeild and for the application thereof are read and approved.
The Navy Commissioners are called in. Their report of the 4th inst. relating to the [Navy] Course is read and the memorial of the Contractors with the Navy. The Commissioners insist that there is necessary to be supplied for the head of Wages as follows: viz.
£
to pay off ships71,000
to pay turned over men by Act of Parliament [4–5 Anne, c. 6, clauses 10 and 12]18,000
for Parliamentary tickets [for seamen's wages] by 4,000l. a month4,000
for wages to lost ships25,000
for ships going abroad49,000
and on the head of Wear and Tear
for bills of exchange6,000
The Commissioners of Wine Licences [are] called in. They say their accounts are passed or in the Auditor's hands to Xmas 1707. They will be ready to deliver to the Auditor in 14 days the account to Xmas 1708 and in a month afterwards the account for the year ended at Xmas 1709. They say the account of the executor of William Young and his partners lies with the Auditor.
My Lords direct the Auditor to bring a state of that account next Friday.
They say the accounts for ten years subsequent to that of Mr. Young and partners [as Farmers of Wine Licences] lie with the Auditors sworn to by the accomptants.
[My Lords] direct the Auditors also to bring the state of those accounts with them.
Desire Sir Theodore Janssen to be here to-morrow morning about the proposal he made the 1st inst, and if that be inconvenient to him then on (struck through) this afternoon at six o'clock.
And Mr. Bridges will be here to-morrow morning. Ibid., p. 201.
Eodem die,
afternoon.
Kensington.
Present: all the five Lords.
Sir Theodore Janssen and Mr. Bridges are called in.
The Customs Commissioners are called in. Their papers [of reports and presentments &c.] are read and the [minutes of my Lords'] answers are [endorsed] on them. Ibid., pp. 201, 202.
Sept. 6.Present: Lord Poulett, Mr. Paget, Mr. Benson.
The [Principal] Officers of the Ordnance [are] called in. They say they went to the Bank and desired 20,000l. on their tallies but were told that they [the Bank] would give to my Lords an answer by themselves. [They inform my Lords that for the immediate requirements of the Ordnance] 10,000l. at present would serve.
Sir Theodore Janssen presents a new proposal for [supplying bills on Turin for] 106,6662/3 Crowns for the Duke of Savoy. Ibid., p. 203.
Eodem die,
afternoon.
Kensington.
Present: the Queen: all the five Lords.
The [paper of the] state of the remains [of funds available] for public services is read.
The state of the cash [of Civil List revenues in the Exchequer available for application] for the Civil List is read.
The list of warrants and orders signed and remaining unsatisfied is read: upon which the Queen directs 135l. for the keepers of Waltham Forest and 42l. 12s. 7d. for the keeper of the water engine at Windsor and 210l. for the keepers of Dean Forest.
Mr. Croft's [petition is read for his] fees: not ordered.
Mr. Roberts' [petition is read praying] to be plumber [to the Works]: granted.
Mr. Callagham [the report on his petition is read]: ordered according to the report.
Taxes on [members of] the Household [the paper concerning the arrears thereon is read]. An account [is ordered] to be laid before the Queen to shew who have paid, and what, and who cannot. Ibid.
Sept. 8,
Treasury
Chambers,
Whitehall,
forenoon.
Present: all the five Lords.
[A letter of direction is signed] for my Lord Wemys, 613l. 13s. 11d.: to be paid.
The [draft of the] letter for altering the privy seal relating to the tin is read and approved.
Lord Chief Baron Scroop and Mr. Baron Smith [both Barons of the Exchequer in Scotland] are called in and their report concerning the Katherine of Amsterdam is read. The Barons say the Dutch took a Scotch ship in reprisal. My Lords [think they] should know the value of both ships. Re-refer the matter to the Barons to enquire into the matter of fact.
Mr. Meriel is called in [in behalf of Mr. Howe, Paymaster of Guards and Garrisons]. His memorial [for the usual weekly supply of money for subsistence &c.] is read. He will come again on Tuesday.
Sir Theodore Janssen is called in with Mr. Lambert, Mr. Hoare and Mr. d'Costa. They say they are all agreed to join in all the remittances. Sir Theodore's proposition of the 6th inst. is read proposing to give his bill for [on] Turin at 60 days for 106,6662/3 Crowns of 82 sols, money of Piedmont, at 59 pence sterling per Crown, being for two months' subsidy to the Duke of Savoy "upon [security of] your Lordships' minute, to be paid at the end of three months in Exchequer Bills with interest after the rate of 6 per cent. per an. and a deposit of tallies on the General Mortgage to the amount of the said bill: and in case your Lordships had rather dispose of the said tallies outright I humbly offer to take the same in payment for my bill at the rate of 64 pence sterling per Crown which makes a difference of about 8¼ per cent. although I am confident they could hardly be disposed of now for 10 per cent. discount: but as I ever was inclined I hope to be always able to serve on as good if not on better terms than anybody else, and I engage not to dispose of the said tallies for twelve months.
My Lords consent to the former part of this proposition. The deposit [of tallies on the General Mortgage] is to be for 27,000l. and Mr. Bridges is to sign a note that in case Sir Theodore and company are not paid their principal and interest as above they may sell the said tallies for their satisfaction, accounting for the overplus to her Majesty's use.
Mr. Millner (James Milner) being willing to take a deposit of tallies for 36,000l. on the sixth General Mortgage [as in repayment] for bills of exchange for 33,000l. to be paid in four months with interest at 6 per cent., and Mr. Bridges having by a memorial of this day made a demand for the said bills, my Lords on her Majesty's behalf agree to Mr. Milner's proposal dated London Sept. I as follows viz. "having bills of exchange from Lisbon and Barcelona on the Honble. James Brydges for 33,000l. of which 20,000l. has been due above two months, and as there is no money ordered for the payment of the said bills, James Milner humbly proposes to your Lordships that he will take a deposit of 36,000l. of Land Tax tallies now in the Office of the said Brydges as a security for the payment of the said bills in four months from the date of this with an interest of 6 per cent. from the time of their being due. (With a postscript thereto:) He desires the Land Tax tallies may be exchanged and he will take General Mortgage tallies in lieu thereof."
A proposal of James Brydges [Paymaster of the Forces Abroad] dated Pay Office, Whitehall, Sept. 8, is read as follows:
"There is at present due the sum of 20,577l. 0s. 5½d. drawn on me for her Majesty's service in bills from Spain by the [Deputy] Paymaster there: and it being absolutely necessary for the support of the credit in that part that your Lordships should make as speedy a provision for the discharge of them as is possible, and likewise in regard there are several sums of money due on or before the 23rd August last on the head of services to be performed here, as in the annexed list [missing] and for the discharge of which the parties concerned are very pressing, I offer to take upon me the payment of the said bills of exchange and the supplying the services at home abovementioned in case your Lordships shall think fitting to direct (out of the remains of the [money] order of [for the services anno 1710 of the troops in] Spain and Portugal) the sum of 5,000l. into my hands [out] of the annuity money [Contributions anno 1710] and [if you] shall be pleased to allow interest at the rate of 6 per cent. for what money shall be [by me thereupon] borrowed and all loss by exchange and [all] discounts that shall arise from drawing and re-drawing as also further security to such gentlemen whom I shall prevail upon to assist me in the performance of this undertaking, which further security is submitted to your Lordships."
My Lords approve this proposition and as Mr. Brydges shall bring to their Lordships from time to time an account of the sums which shall be lent and the names of the lenders thereof my Lords will engage themselves on her Majesty's behalf by minutes to be entered in their Secretary's book for repayment of the principal with interest according to the said proposal. Treasury Minute Book XVII, pp. 204–5.
Eodem die,
afternoon.
Present: all the five Lords.
[Send word] to Mr. Israel Fielding to attend here this day seven-night about his account and the moneys charged upon him in the accounts of other persons.
[Send word] to Mr. Thomas Taylor to attend this day sevennight about the accounts of the Works: and the executors of Mr. Thomas Lloyd [late Paymaster of the Works] are to attend with the [persons who joined in] security which Mr. Lloyd took [sic for gave, on entering office] for passing his accounts.
The Auditors of Imprests [are] called in with Mr. Mason and the Commissioners of Transports. The Commissioners say that on 28 Feb. 1707 Mr. Mason's debt was 6,217l. 4s. 2d. out of which he craves to be allowed 1,073l. 13s. 11d., so his balance is 5,143l. 10s. 3d. Mr. Mason says he has made payments not yet brought to account. He says when his final account comes in it will appear there is not above 4,000l. due from him on account of the office. He says he would pay it by demands he has on the Crown against Navy bills, seamen's ticquets and other claims. He promises to deliver in to-morrow to the Commissioners 500l. in seamen's ticquets.
My Lords [tell him they] expect that he will come better prepared this day sevennight to give them an account as well [of] this as of the debt which he owed to the Newels.
The Agents for Taxes are called in. They say they found by several notes of Mr. Mason that he was indebted to the Newels and the Newels swore to 7,500l. The Agents brought a bill [in the Exchequer] against him for 7,500l.: he brought a bill against the Newels for 6,200l. He says they have not answered his bill. [On the other hand the Agents say that] the Attorney General's bill against Mason was imperfectly answered so that exceptions were taken and he has not yet put in a better answer.
My Lords [say they] do expect that he do next week positively give them better satisfaction without regard to contests between him and other persons.
The report of the Auditors [of Imprests] concerning the [bills of] incidents at the Customs House is read.
[My Lords order that] they are to take a further time to examine the matter and report.
[Send word] to Mr. Savery to hasten his accounts [of the Sick and Wounded money].
[Write] to the Commissary of the Musters to be here on Wednesday morning with an account of the last musters returned to him of her Majesty's Forces in Portugal. Ibid., p. 206.

Footnotes

1 A figure of 28s. per 100l. could not be represented as excessive discount. An entry in Luttrell's Diary, VI., 640, under date Oct. 12, speaks of the action of the Bank having reduced the discount on Exchequer Bills from 3l. 10s. 0d. per cent. to 2l. 15s. 0d. per cent. There is undoubtedly a clerical error in the text of this minute as it is entered in the Treasury Minute Book. The relative minute in the Minute Book of the Court of Directors of the Bank of England reads as follows:—
"31 August, 1710
"Mr. Hawes and Mr. Landsdale by order of the Lords of the Treasury severally applying for Loans of 50,000l. to the first, and 20,000l. to the latter on Deposits of Tallys, the Court taking the same into consideration, Mr. Deputy is desired to attend the Lords of the Treasury and acquaint them 'tis the opinion of this Court that it will be highly prejudicial to the Credit of Exchequer Bills for the Bank to issue more of the said Bills while the discount upon them remains so high."