House of Commons Journal Volume 1: 01 May 1607 (2nd scribe)

Veneris, primo Die Maii, 1607

Bringing Water to London.

2. Reading: - B. For Explanation of the Statute, for Bringing of a fresh Stream of Water to the North Parts of the City of London: - The Knights and Burgesses of London, Burgesses of York, Burgesses of Bristowe, Sir Henry Poole, Sir Barnard Whytston, Sir Gam. Capell, Sir John Scott, Sir Edw. Mountague, Sir Roger Aston, Sir Tho. Smyth, Sir John Heigham, Knights and Burgesses of Essex, Middlesex, and Hertfordshyre, Burgesses of Westminster, Sir John Swynnerton, Sir Wm. Herrick,

Mr. Bacchus, Mr. Lawley, Mr. Hugh Middleton, Mr. Robert Middleton: - Tuesday, Temple.

Southampton Charter.

2. Reading: - B. For the Confirmation of some Part of a Charter, granted by King H. VI. to the Town of Southampton, &c. - Sir John Jeffreyes, Burgesses of Bristowe, Sir H. Nevill, Sir Edw. Grevill, Barons of the Cinque Ports, Sir Barnard Whytson, the Knights of Hampshyre, Sir Tho. Lowe, Sir Rich. Spencer, Sir Roger Owen, Sir Edm. Ludlowe, Mr. Alford, Sir Rob. Wingfield, Mr. Recorder, Sir Fr. Hastings, Sir Fr. Barrington, Sir Tho. Beamount, Mr. Brock, Mr. Fuller, Burgesses of York, Mr. Hoskins, Sir Tho. Smyth: - Tuesday, Temple.

Annoot's Nat,

2. Reading: - B. For the Naturalizing of Tho. Annoot: - Sir John Smyth, Sir John Scott, Sir John Heigham, Sir Tho. Waller, Mr. Peak, Sir Barnard Whytston, Sir Fr. Barrington, Sir Gam. Capell, Sir Henry Poole, Sir Rob. Wingfield, Sir Edw. Grevill, Sir Mich. Sonds, Barons of the Cinque Ports, Sir Antho. Cope, Sir Fr. Goodwyn; - Wednesday, Temple.

Mariners.

2. Reading: - B. To reform the treacherous and unfaithful Dealing of Mariners, &c. - The King's Counsel at Law, the Burgesses of all Port Towns, Sir Tho. Smyth, Knights and Burgesses of London, Sir John Trevor, Sir John Scott, Sir Rob. Mansfield, Sir Wm. Harvey, Sir Geo. Moore, Sir Edw. Mountague, Sir Dan. Dun, Sir Jerome Horsey, Mr. James, Sir Rich. Warberton, Mr. Cunye, Sir H. Poole, Sir Roger Aston, Sir Roger Wilbraham, Sir Wm. Strowd, Sir Tho. Waller, Sir Nich. Saunders, Sir Edwyn Sandys, Mr. Brook, Sir Gam. Capell, Mr. Askwith, Sir Antho. Cope, Sir Tho. Crompton, Sir John Jeffreyes, Sir Rich. Hawkins, Sir Rich. Bulkley: - Wednesday, Temple.

Union with Scotland.

Sir Rob. Wingfield beginneth the Dispute.

A great Disadvantage to speak after a wise Man, or after a Eleven a Clock. -

Religion. - If the Perfect before Unperfect, all, we seek to avoid, will fall upon us. -

Infinite Benefit to join with a Nation of the same Religion. - Overthrow all the Hope of Papists.

The King's Desire. -

Contentment, Honour, of the King. The King desire : - Hath as great Cause, as any Man ever had, to desire. - He cannot tell, whether the King loveth better. -

The Greatness of the Kingdom. -

The Greatness, Honour of the Kingdom. - Bear Part in all Troubles. -

Do according to the Instrument. We shall be most happy, if Security may be given; whereof many Lawyers be of Opinion.

Mr. Hackwell: - How necessary, that somewhat be done this Parliament. -

1. With what Solemnity and Asseveration the Judges delivered their Opinion.

2. The King's Desire: How much he hath expressed it.

3. How easy to procure Judgments. - A Scott a Purchaser ; bring an Assise in the Common Place; Judgment upon Judgments. -

All Mischief and Danger upon us, if -

The King's Desire much against the perfect Union at this Time.

The Speaking of a general Union now, is the only Way to hinder a general Union for ever. -

That we should dispute, what is to be done.

Mr. Solicitor - A Rule of our Law, Nothing perfect, which hath not Inception, and Progression, before Consummation. Every thing a Beginning, and Growth. A Tree of a Blossom, &c. Man not learned first. Virtue not at the first established. Universal Union, architect-tonice, the Scope of all our Intentions. -

Three Opinions:

Some Acts to precede :

Some Preparation may hinder:

Some are jealous of the Perfect. -

If there be not Love, no perfect Union. Good Liking not engendered upon the sudden. He that hath most Power, most Bounty. -

Laws change but in Three Cases:

Raro, ne incommodum; melius, ne periculum; sensim, ne naufragium. -

General, like Platoe's Idea: Excellent in Imagination only ; non in rerum natura. -

To propose the End, and not the Means, suspicious. -

Hostile Laws, Shaking of Hands between reconciled Friends. -

We must repeal. - If a Man convey Horse into Scotland, Life. - Any Relief, a Pain. If we pass without Licence, lose our Goods. -

Commerce. -

Great Customs into Scotland, easy Customs there: Great Disadvantages, whether we speak of an Union, or no. -

If the Law penal, what Security? The King may dispense. Shall not we trust his Majesty, as our Ancestors his Progenitors? We may not think, his Majesty will entertain any thing to the Oppression of his People. -

Security in Naturalization. - King constitute a Bishop,

6 E. III. 10 E. III. fol. 40, per traditionem annuli et baculi. Since by Parliament Magna Charta, a free Election. -

Baron. - Relief. - The King's Prerogative as high. -

Magna Charta, 2 Chapter, binds him. - Ranulphus de Glanvill. -

Timber-trees cut down, of any Subject, against his Will. - Magna Charta, 21o cap.

Statute, in Point of Purveyors, doth restrain the King's Prerogative. -

The King cannot dispense with a Disability, laid by Act of Parliament upon the Person. 43 Eliz. Resolution of all the Judges. Stat. 13 Eliz. all Leases by ecclesiastical Persons. All Leases longer, made to the Queen, void. The Statute disabled all Men, therefore she cannot. -

No Power can make the Judgment good, which is not good, when it is given. -

To draw Bills, touching the first Point.

Orders.

Spanish Wrongs: - Tuesday, Temple.

Tuesday, Counsel for the Fens.

Tanners, &c.

3. Reading: - An Act for the Repealing of so much of One Branch of a Statute, made in the first Year of his Majesty's Reign (intituled, An Act concerning Tanners, Curriers, Shoemakers, and other Artificers, occupying the Cutting of Leather) as concerneth the Sealing or Sheep-skins ; and to avoid Selling of tanned Leather by Weight.

Counsel heard.

Mr. Phillip Gerrard, against the Bill, beginneth.

Mr. Styrrell, with it, second ; - Girdlers, Sadlers,

Mr. Richison of Counsel with the Trunk-makers, Budget-makers, Bellows-makers, and Seven more, using -

A Certificate from my Lord Mayor, touching the Matter : Denied, upon Question, to be read.

King appoints to be attended.

Mr. Speaker, before this Counsel was heard, received Letters, signifying his Majesty's Pleasure, that the House should attend him at Whytehall To-morrow, at Two a Clock in the Afternoon, in the great Chamber there, being made a Presence for that Day.