Venice: November 1523 | British History Online

Calendar of State Papers Relating To English Affairs in the Archives of Venice, Volume 3, 1520-1526. Originally published by Her Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1869.

'Venice: November 1523', in Calendar of State Papers Relating To English Affairs in the Archives of Venice, Volume 3, 1520-1526, (London, 1869) pp. 346-348. British History Online https://www.british-history.ac.uk/cal-state-papers/venice/vol3/pp346-348 [accessed 14 April 2024]

November 1523



Nov. 7. Original Letter Book, Letter no. 238, St. Mark's Library.	768. Gasparo Contarini to the Signory.
	With regard to the peace which the Archbishop of Bari is negotiating, the Emperor has not yet given him any reply whatever, but has forwarded the proposal made by the King of France to England.
	Understands that the King of France makes no mention of exchanging Tournai for Fonterabia, and on the contrary says he is willing to pay the King of England the pension for Tournai, although it be not restored to him.
	Pamplona, 7th November 1523.
	[Italian, 5 pages.]
Nov. 9. Sanuto Diaries, v. xxxv. p. 192.	769. Giovanni Badoer to the Signory.
	The Imperial army is prospering, and the English have taken certain places in France called Monon (sic), &c. [Montreuil, Dourlens, Montdidier?]
	Lyons, 9th November. Registered by Sanuto, 13th December.
	[Italian.]
Nov. 13. Sanuto Diaries, v. xxxv. p. 161.	770. The Same to the Same.
	The English in Scotland having captured a certain place, and made some prisoners, the Duke of Albany attacked them, recovered the prisoners, and drove the English back.
	Lyons, 12th and 13th Nov. Registered by Sanuto, 25th Nov.
	[Italian.]
Nov. 17. Original Letter Book, Letter no. 241, St. Mark's Library.	771. Gasparo Contarini to the Signory.
	Yesterday the Archbishop of Bari sent one of his secretaries to France with the Emperor's reply to the proposals for peace. The Chancellor told him that this reply was (to use his own term) a rigmarole (una longola); purporting that the Emperor, being leagued with the King of England, could stipulate neither peace or truce without his knowledge and consent, and, having written to him, awaited an answer.
	Nothing is known of what the English are doing in France, nor yet of the Duke of Bourbon and the army in Burgundy.
	Pamplona, 17th November 1523.
	[Italian, 1¾ page.]
Nov. 21. Sanuto Diaries, v. xxxv. p. 151.	772. Return of Surian from England.
	This evening Antonio Surian, who was ambassador in England during four years and eight months, arrived here. He came through Germany and by Trent and Feltre to Treviso, and thence by land to Venice.
	He was elected State Attorney (avogador di comun), and will take the place of Piero Contarini, whose term of service expires on the 3rd of January.
	[Italian.]
Nov. 23. Sanuto Diaries, v. xxxv. p. 154.	773. Return of Surian.
	On the morning of the 23rd Antonio Surian, who had been ambassador in England, went into the College dressed in crimson velvet with a raised pile and a hood of cloth of gold. He was accompanied by many noblemen, among whom was I (Marin Sanuto). (fn. 1) Surian walks lame; he got the gout on this legation. He entered the College hall alone with Lodovico Spinelli, because the present Doge does not choose more than three persons to accompany those who come from abroad, as of yore. He made but a brief statement, because he will deliver his report in the Senate.
	[Italian.]
Nov. 24. Sanuto Diaries, v. xxxv. p. 159.	774. Surian's Report.
	Summary of the report made in the Senate on the 24th of November 1523, by Antonio Surian, late ambassador to England.
	The King of England advances slowly (avia pocho), and had not the Signory ratified the agreement with the Emperor he, the King, would have made terms with France.
	[Italian.]
Nov. 24. Deliberazioni Senato Secreta, v. 1. p. 52.	775. Henry VIII.'s Present to Surian.
	Motion made in the Senate, after hearing the report of the noble Antonio Surian, LL.D. and knight, lately returned from his embassy to England, which long and laborious mission was executed by him with very great application, toil, and cost, so as to deserve acknowledgment from the Signory.
	Put to the ballot—that he receive as a gift the 500 crowns presented to him by the Most Serene King of England.
	Ayes	115, 119	Undecided.
	Noes	80
	Neutrals	3
	Amendment—that of the 500 crowns he be given but 300.
	Ayes, 30. Noes, 43. Neutrals, 2.
	[Italian, 6 lines.]
Nov. 25. Original Letter Book, Letter no. 241, St. Mark's Library.	776. Gasparo Contarini to the Signory.
	Nothing whatever is known of the election of the Pope, (fn. 2) nor yet of the movements of the armies in Lombardy.
	Letters were received yesterday from England, dated 4th October, a very stale date. They contain nothing of importance save the announcement of immense preparations making by the Scots. The State will have received much fresher advices from those parts.
	Pamplona, 25th November 1523.
	[Italian, 1½ page.]
Nov. 29. Sanuto Diaries, v. xxv. p. 188.	777. Letter from Inspruck.
	The Duke of Bourbon departs hence for Italy tomorrow. He will then go to Spain to espouse the Emperor's sister, and on his arrival there you will salute him as future King of France. I visited him today, and he greeted me lovingly. He is in great spirits, and considers the total ruin of the King of France quite certain by reason of a variety of schemes at which he hints without manifesting them.
	It is true that at the critical moment, had these German captains in Burgundy not betrayed and deserted him immediately after being well paid, he tells me he should now be Lord of France in the Emperor's name, with the English army in Paris; “sed quod differtur non aufertur. “
	By the last letters the English army was three short leagues from Paris, and the French hope rested on 6,000 Switzers, who had not yet left their own homes, so that “the Lord Captain of Justice” will infallibly at length witness the ruin of France, about which I have written so many letters.
	Inspruck, 29th November. Registered by Sanuto, 9th December.
	[Italian.]