House of Commons Journal Volume 1: 06 April 1624

Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 1, 1547-1629. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.

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Martis, 6 Aprilis, 1624

Anstrother's &c. Nat.

L. 1. AN Act for Naturalizing of Sir Tho. Anstrother, Sir Geo. Abercromy, and John Cragge.

Alcocke's Estate.

Alcocke.

L. 2. An Act for Sale of the Manor of Rampton, in the County of Cambridge : - Committed to all the Knights, Burgesses of Cambridge, Sir Rob. Hicham, Sir Geo. Moore, Sir N. Poole, Sir Jo. Corbet, Sir Jo. Stradling, Mr. Herris, Sir Tho. Estcourt, Mr. Bateman: - Thursday, Two Clock, Court of Wards. All Parties to have Notice.

New River.

Anwell River: - Saturday: And all to have Voice.

Fines.

Sir Hen. Poole reports the Bill of levying Fines in other Mens Names. -

Ordered, To be ingrossed.

Rawleigh's Restitution.

Mr. Carew Rawleigh sworn here in the House.

Mr. Chancellor Duchy : - Thinks, this Gentleman in a wrong Course. - Should have begun above.

Sir Tho. Hoby, accordant.

Sir Edw. Cooke : - Asked the Clerk of the Upper House. - An Order there, from the King, that all these Bills that begin here, should be dashed.

Sir Geo. Moore: - To have Precedents searched, whether Commoners have not used to begin here.

Sir Edw. Coke:- - A great many Precedents, that many Men have been restored, at the Petition of the Commons. - If the Lords have made such an Order, to let it rest.

Sir Edw. Cooke, Mr. Noye, Mr. Selden, to search Precedents, what hath been used to be done.

Master of the Rolls.

Sir Walter Earle; - Some, that crave the Justice of this House, - A Bill here of the Master of the Rolls. - They allege their own Interest. Desire a Copy of the Bill, and Counsel assigned.

Ordered, That these Petitioners shall be heard at the Committee of the Bill: And Mr. Serjeant Hedley, Serjeant Thynne, Mr. Euseby Andrewes, and Mr. Will. Wearing, are assigned them by the House for Counsel: And that they shall have a Copy of the Bill.

Grocers and Apothecaries Separation.

Sir Edw. Cooke reports from the Committee for Grievances, a Case of the Grocers and Apothecaries of London. - The Apothecaries anciently of the Company of the Grocers: - Could not prove any Consent of theirs for their Separation : So the Patent falls, upon that Consideration. Patent full of many great Inconveniences : - Sole Trade of Drugs, and Distillation. - Rested on this: That the Merchant had a great Wrong by this : That cannot sell his Commodity, but to a few, and by Retail, as it were: A Cause of Decay of Trade: Clausulae inconsuetae, that if any Grocer should use his Trade, to be sued in the Star-chamber; which was done, and referred to the Judges : Proclamation, to maintain this Monopoly. - Consideration of the Petition, the Grocers made. They contend, that the Apothecaries should alone deal with those Confections, that required Art. - The Sense of the Committee, - a Grievance, in Creation, and Execution; but withal thought fit, that, for such Medicines and Potions, as require Skill, they should prefer a Bill, to have the only Making of them.

Resolved upon Question, That the Patent of the separate Apothecaries is a Grievance, in Creation, and Execution ; and that the Apothecaries may, if they so think fit, prefer a Bill into this House, for the sole Confection and making of those Medicines that require Art and Skill, and that are proper unto them.

Recusants.

A Message from the Lords, by Serjeant Crue and Serjeant Finch: -

The Lords desire a Conference of the Committee, concerning the Petition, that is to be preferred to his Majesty about Recusants, if it may stand with the Occasions of this House, presently, in the Painted Chamber.

Answer: This House will presently give a Meeting, as is desired.

The Committee Power to maintain what they have done; but, if any Alteration offered, to report to the House.

Mr. Solicitor to make the Report.

Report made.

Mr. Knightly: - A Report, that.....

To know of them, whether there were any such Words used.

Conference.

The Committees sent up to the Lords.

Members sent for.

Ordered, That the Serjeant shall go with his Mace, presently, for those Gentlemen of the House, that are at the Conference, and are not of the Committee.

Imprisonment.

Magna Charta: - Saturday, Two Clock.

Inferior Courts.

Inferior Courts: - This Afternoon, Three Clock, Temple Hall: And all to have Voice.

Members admonished.

The Members of the House returned, and admonished by Mr. Speaker.

Recusants.

Mr. Solicitor reports from the Lords. - Lord Canterbury delivered their Resolution: Said, that, whereas, a few Days since, they received a Draught of a Petition, to be presented; said now, he believed, the Spirit of God led us, when we first considered of this. - Desire, in this Business of so great Importance, to have a Concurrence with us. - Not amiss, if reserving the Matter, the Form altered. - To contract it, and divide the Petition, and Reasons, One from the other; for these Causes: 1. Because fewest Words best accepted : 2. If nothing detracted, might be contracted: 3. To omit Words of Austerity: 4. To reserve our Reasons, unless demanded of us. -

The Model of it read. When this was read, Lord President, - that the Prince was so curious to observe all Observance to this House, that he would not alter the very Words. The Prince, upon Occasion of the last, expressed, that he professed, and bound it with an Oath, that, whensoever it should please God to bestow upon him any Lady that were Popish, she should have no further Liberty, but for her own Family, and no Advantage to the Recusants at home. -

Desire a Committee of a few (Four or Five) to meet with their Lordships.

Sir James Perrot; - Two Things omitted here, that were in our Petition : Confining of them : One material thing omitted ; the Naming of the Ringleaders of that Sect, in the End.

Sir Edw. Cooke: - This very lame ; yet glad to have it, if we can have no other. - Takes not away half the Danger. The Laws in force, are only against convicted Recusants; our Words, " justly suspected." The Universality of those Caterpillars not met withal. - To have these go in Equipage with the other.

Sir Rob. Philips: - Glad, we are thus far advanced. Hopes, we, and our Posterity, shall find the good Effect of this Protestation. - To have the same Committee, this Afternoon, take these Things into Consideration.

Mr. Solicitor ; - The Lords expect from us, how we entertain this Motion. - To signify to them, that we shall be ready, with a small Number, to meet their Lordships.

Sir Tho. Jermyn : - To have the Committee look to the Number of the convict Recusants; that so our Desire may be reasonable to the Lords.

Sir Edwyn Sandys : - Heard the Lord of Canterbury say, that this Model did not detract, but contract. This no Petition of Grace, but of Justice. One of the Lords told him, that something was omitted by them. - Not to reject it. - To have the shortest delivered to his Majesty, and the other ready to be seen.

Sir Tho. Wentworth . - This Draught of the Lords not so home as ours : Fit therefore to have them compared ; and how far to seek to the Lords for an Enlargement, if we see Cause.

Mr. Glandvill: - For petitioning for more than in Law to be done, very large and general. - Take away the Connivance, and the Recusants will be convict. Three Ways to discover a Man : Taking Oaths : Receiving the Sacrament: And going to Church. - If his Majesty wiH declare, that those which bear Office, shall do these within a Time, or else be within the Danger of justly suspected, thinks the Petition well enough, as it is.

Sir Tho. Hoby: - To have a Committee, to compare these Two Models. - The Act of the Council doth well enough describe Recusants.

Mr. Solicitor sent up to the Lords, to let them know, that this House hath taken this Model into Consideration : They will, with all the Speed they can, advise of it, and return Answer; And withal, to intimate our great Joy for this Protestation of the Prince.

The former Sub-committee that were to draw this Petition, to meet this Afternoon, Court of Wards, to compare that Petition, and this Model, that is come down from the Lords, Four Clock.

Sir Dud. Digs added to that Committee.

Debts.

Mr. Glanvill reports the Bill of Assignment of Debts. Amendments twice read. -

Sir Tho. Trevor desires, the Tin Farmers may be heard, before the Bill pass.

Sir Geo. Chudleigh: - Some others desire to be heard. - To re-commit the Bill.

Re-committed : - Presently, Committee Chamber, Sir Dud. Digs, Mr. Noy, Sir Tho. Trevor, Serjeant Hicham, added to the Committee.

Message delivered, &c.

Mr. Solicitor reports from the Lords. - Delivered his Message. Prince asked, when he heard the Resolution of the House, whether this Afternoon.

Clark.

Sir Fra. Clark's Bill, - this Afternoon, former Place.

Grievances.

Sir Edw. Cooke reports from the Committee of Grievances Yesterday. - The Sense of the Committee, to give the

Business all the Speed : Appointed to sit To-morrow, if the House please; and the Committee for Courts of Justice, to give place.

Ld. Treasurer [E. of Middlesex.]

Ordered, That the Business concerning my LordTreasurer, shall be heard To-morrow Afternoon; the Committee of Grievances to sit at the same Time; and Mr. Harman, my Lord's Secretary, to attend at that Time; and, that any Writings or Records, of the Court of Wards, or any other Court, that may further that Service, to be seen, and brought into the House, if Occasion require.

Committee to meet.

The Committee for the Petition, not to meet till Four Clock this Afternoon.

Trade.

Sir Edwyn Sandys -

Mr. H. Slany, Mr. Oxwich, Mr. Wich, Mr. Jennings, to present, in Writing, to the Committee for Trade, the present state of Trade with Spaine, the Reasons of the Increase of Trade, and the Reasons of the Decay of Money.

Ordered, To do it against Thursday next, and attend themselves.

Trials by Battle.

Bill for Battle, - Thursday next, former Place.

Best's Nat.

L. 3. An Act for the Naturalizing of Jacques de Best: - Upon Question, passed for a Law.

E. of Hertford.

Lord Hertford's Bill, - To-morrow, Eight Clock; and the rest of the ingrossed Bills.

Ly. Jeremy.

L. 2. LADY Jermy her Bill: - Committed to Sir Rob. Hicham, Mr. Pym, Sir Hen. Poole, Sir Tho. Estcourt, Sir Gil. Jerrard, Knights, Burgesses Cambridge, Suffolke, and Norfolke, Sir Clement Throckmorton, Sir Alex. St. John, Sir Fra. Barrington: - Tuesday next,Two Clock, Court of Wards. All Parties to have Notice.

Sir T. Cheek.

Mr. Recorder reports Sir Tho. Cheek's Bill. The Amendments twice read. - Ordered, To be ingrossed.

Aucher's,&c. Estate.

L. 2. An Act to make Sale of the Lands of Sir Anthony Aucher, Sir Roger James, and John Wroth: - Committed to Mr. Secretary Calvert, Sir Edw. Cooke, Sir Rob. Hicham, Sir Hen. Poole, Sir Rob. Hatton, Sir Guy Palmes, Sir Peter Hayman, Sir Tho. Savyle, Mr. Myn, Mr. Pym, Sir Natha. Rich, Mr. Recorder, Knights, Burgesses Kent, Sir Geo. Chudleigh, Sir Geo. Moore, Sir Hen. Slingsby, Sir Edw. Peyton, Sir Edw. Gyles, Sir Roger North: - Monday next, Two Clock, Court of Wards. All Parties to have Notice. Sir Rob. Philips: - A worthy Member of this House, required by the Lords to attend them, and be sworn there in a Business, desires the Leave of the House: - Mr. Chancellor Duchy, - Left to his Discretion.

E. of Hartford's, &c. Estate.

L. 3. An Act to enable William Earl of Hartford, and Sir Fra. Seymor, to make Sale of certain Lands: - Upon Question, passed for a Law.

Concealments.

L. 3. An Act for the general Quiet of the Subject against all Pretences of Concealments whatsoever: - Upon Question, passed for a Law.

Process, &c.

L. 3. An Act to prevent the Abuses in procuring Process, and Supersedeas, for the Peace : - Upon Question, passed for a Law.

Possession.

L. 3. An Act to enable Justices of the Peace to give Restitution of Possession in certain Cases: - Upon Question, passed for a Law.

Welch Cloths, &c.

L. 3. An Act for free Trade of Welch Cloths, Cottons, Frises: - Upon Question, passed for a Law.

Fines.

L. 3. An Act against such as shall levy any Fine, suffer any Recovery -

Upon Question, passed for a Law.

Bills sent up.

Sir Edw. Cooke sent up to the Lords, with Eight Bills.

King of Bohemia.

A Note read, from Mr. Abra. Williams, the King of Bohemia's, Agent.

This Business referred to the Committee of Grievances, on Friday next, the first Cause.

Monopolies, &c.

A Message from the Lords, by Serjeant Finch and Sir Edw. Salter : -

The Lords have taken into Consideration the Bill of Monopolies ; and, for Matters of Weight, as they conceive, in it, they desire a Meeting, and Conference, with a proportionable Number of this House: Their Number 32: - To-morrow, Nine Clock, Painted Chamber.

Sir Rob. Mansill desires to have his Cause heard, before the Conference; or to have Leave, at the Conference, to tender his Proviso. - Agreed, he may.

Sir Hen. Fane: - This concerns him too. - Desires the same Favour. - Agreed, he may.

Answer: This House will give a Meeting, at Time and Place, as is desired, with a proportionable Number.

Mr. Treasurer, Mr. Secretary Calvert, Sir Edw. Cecill, Chancellor Exchequer, Sir Edw. Cooke, Mr. Recorder, Mr. Solicitor, Mr. Banks, Sir Geo. Moore, Mr. Glanvill, Sir Jo. Savyle, Mr. Alford, Sir Hen. Poole, Sir Gilbert Jerrard, Sir Tho. Cheeke, Mr. Spencer, Sir Tho. Wentworth, Sir Guy Palmes, Sir Rob. Hicham, Sir Tho. Trevor, Attorney Duchy, Sir Tho. Walmsley, Sir Tho. Hoby, Mr. Tho. Fanshaw, Sir Tho. Savyle, Sir Char. Morrison, Mr. Pym, Sir Geo. Manners, Sir Tho. Denton, Sir Pet. Hayman, Sir Jo. Jepson, Sir Hen. Fane, Sir Will. Herbert, Sir Mounta. Barte, Lord Percy, Sir Tho. Lucy, Sir Will. Fleetwood, Mr. Mallory, Sir Will. Massam, Sir Rob. Hatton, Chancellor Duchy, Sir Jo. Scudamore, Sir Clem. Throckmorton, Sir Jo. Walter, Sir Edw. Peyton, Mr. Fetherstone, Sir Edw. Gyles, Mr. Bartlet, Mr. Wainsford, Sir Jo. Elliott, Sir Edw. Warder, Sir Fra. Crane, Mr. Louther, Sir Natha. Rich, Sir Tho. Midleton, Sir Tho. Estcourt, Mr. Selden, Sir Fra. Seymour, Sir Rob. Harley, Doctor Googe, Mr. Whitfeild, Mr. Rolles, Serjeant Towse, Mr. Noy: These 64 are appointed by the House, to confer with the Lords about the Bill of Monopolies. If any new Matter come, to acquaint the House with it. Sir Edw. Cooke, Mr. Recorder, Mr. Solicitor, Sir Jo. Walter, Mr. Noy, Mr. Glanvill, especially appointed by the House, to manage this Conference.

Recusants.

Mr. Solicitor reports from the Committee appointed to compare the Petitions concerning Recusants. - The Preamble they allow as it is : For the Reasons; agreed, to have them set apart in a Paper by themselves. The Committee divided (Seven and Seven) about the Words, " by your Proclamation:" Whether, " by Proclamation;" or, " by present Order." -

Bills from Lords.

A Message from the Lords, by Serjeant Finch, Serjeant Crooke: -

The Lords have sent down Four Bills: One (that came hence) to admit the Subject to plead the general Issue; with some Amendments, that - 2. An Act for Naturalizing Sir Rob. Carre: 3. Sir Stephen Leseur: 4. Philip Jacobson, of London, Merchant. -

Recusants.

Resolved, upon Question, That these Words, " by Proclamation, as in such Cases, upon like Occasions, have been used," shall be put in. -

To offer to the Lords this Amendment -

The Committee thought fit to offer also some other Clauses: - " All Popish Recusants, convicted, or justly suspected." - Agreed to. -

To have these Words, " a Day certain may be speedily prefixed." -

Agreed to be, " a certain and speedy Day may be prefixed."

An Addition, in the Conclusion; - "Jesuits, Seminaries, and Popish Recusants."

Not fit to alter the Copy of the Lords, till they are acquainted with it.

Persons to attend.

Sir Edwyn Sandys: - One Mr. Jacob attends at the Door. - To have him attend To-morrow. - Ordered, He shall.

Recusants.

The Knights and Burgesses that were ordered to present the Names of Recusants, to do it against Saturday next.

Mr. Speaker.

Sir Rob. Philips: - To have the Speaker.

Statutes.

Mr. Noy -

Bill of Statutes, - To-morrow, Eight Clock, in the House.