Border Papers volume 1: July 1583

Pages 103-107

Calendar of Border Papers: Volume 1, 1560-95. Originally published by Her Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1894.

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163. Sir John Forster to Walsingham. [July 1. 1583.]

"I have receyved a lettre from ane especiall frende of myne assuringe me that this last Thursdaye at after noone the Kinge of Scotlande receyved two faire horses frome his cosen the Erle of Marche, who is prior of St Androse, and dyd leape on the one himself and rode up to the hill abowte Fawkelande, and on the backsyde of the hill, the Erle of Craweforde and Rothus were, who past to the castle of St Androse with the Kinge, and have discharged the Erle of Marr from Corte; and the Erle of Anguse and Bothewell were minded to have rydden over the water with a greate companie, but yt is thowght they are disapointed of their purpose." At my house nigh Alnwick. Signed: John Forster.

1 p. Addressed. Indorsed.

164. Scrope to Walsingham. [July 3.]

On Monday last the first instant, I had a meeting with Cesford, and at our first entry we agreed to discharge all prisoners unlawfully taken on both sides, free of all ransom, which we did by proclamation. And entering into further causes, upon the grievous complaints of her Majesties subjects of Bewcastle, Gilsland, &c., being then present, against the Liddesdales, who besides spoil of their goods, have been mutilated and maimed "in some of their necessarie members," and called for justice—"with playne owtcrye that otherwise they wold complayne to hir Majestie, . . . the larde of Cesforde, having before requyred me to make answere and redresse of certeyn billes of Tyviotdale, being within the Mydle Marches of Scotlande, and no percell of Liddesdale—I with the consent of all the gentlemen of worshippe of this wardenrie that were there presente, demaunded of him redresse for the said bodylie hurtes, woundes and mutulacion of hir Majesties subjectes, according to the treatye of peax made at Berwicke anno 1553, by Sir Thomas Cornewalles and Sir Robert Bowes commissioners of Englande, Sir Robert Carneguye and Sir John Ballendyne commissioners of Scotlande"—promising the like for Teviotdale. Which he said he could not do, being directed only to deal with goods and gear, hurts and murders being by consent referred to commissioners—which I replied was not so. And finding him not inclined to make delivery, and having other credible information that no justice was to be looked for, I with consent of the said gentlemen, "stoode with him upon the former demaunde," thinking it useless to proceed further. So we parted for the day—" he to the Armitadge in Scotlande and I to Bewcastle,"—appointing to meet the next day on same business, his clerk to come to me, and mine going to him to fyle bills—of which nothing came but some correspondence, of which I send you copies. "And so yesternight I retourned home again to Carlisle without farther matter or meting agreyd upon." And I pray you that if the King or Cesford desire of her Majesty another meeting, and require that the redress for wounds, &c., be withdrawn from the wardens under the above treaty, and referred to commissioners as murders are, that this request be not granted,—"For otherwise I assure you hir Majestie wilbe vehementlye troubled with the repayre and clamours of the poore wounded and maymed persons, the which I can by no meanes staye or restreyn." Carlisle. Signed: H. Scrope.

"Postscripte.—I founde the Larde of Cesforde him selff in speaches verie conformable. But Andrewe Ker of Fawdonsyde, being a speciall man by whome he is advised, shewed him selff suche a freind for the Liddesdales, as he uttered in playne wordes, that the principall offenders against whome I had cheiff cause of complaynte, were not mete to be delyvered, but rather that others might be delyvered for them if they were fyled—wherein when I sawe his intencion, yt gave me no lesse occasion to breake up for the tyme than the other cause—which also, as well by the gentlemens opynyon as myne owne, is not to be omyted but speciallye to be considered upon. If you will make my lorde of Hunsdon prevye to thus muche, he can shewe you what maner of men Andrewe Ker ys, for his lordship is acqueynted with him." Signed: H. Scrope.

pp. Addressed. Indorsed.

Inclosed in the foregoing:—

(1) (Cesford to Scrope.)

Accrediting his servant to declare several things on which he had not time to confer at the meeting. The Hermetage the first of Julie 1583. Cesforde.

½ p. Copy by Scrope's clerk.

(2) (Scrope to Cesford.)

Returning answer to his letter and credence, that they are unsatisfactory, and deferring any further meeting for the present. Bewcastle this firste of Julie 1583. H. Scroppe.

¾ p. Copy by his clerk.

(3) (Cesford to Scrope.)

Acknowledging receipt of his letter "this mornyng the seconde of Julie,"—and offering if he withdraws the claim for mutilations, &c., to meet him on Thursday the 4th and give and take mutual redress for goods on the Middle Marches. Agreeing that the matters in controversy be referred to their Majesties or Councils. Begging that the peace may be kept in the meantime, and that he will see the proclamation against unlawful prisoners enforced. Hermitage 2d July. Cesforde.

1 p. Copy by Scrope's clerk.

165. Sir Simon Musgrave on Border offences. [July. 1583.]

Attributing them to "the uncerten and tickle governement of Scotlande, which hathe continuede of a longe time there, throughe the greate hatrede and displeasures emongeste the nobillitie of the same, hathe incouradgede and imboldnede the evill disposede persons of the borders there to comit murders and spoiles of the Quenes Majesties subjectes, without anie controllment or redresse for the space of viij or ix yers by paste.

Also the great grives and hatrids of the said nobillitie hathe occasionede the often chandge of the wardens and other officers there, whoe beinge so chaungede never one woulde make redres but for his owne tyme, and everie one have utterlie denaiede to make redresse for murder, which hathe bene the cause of the greateste disorders upon the Borders, and the greateste in couradgement to offenders."

For remedy recommending that the commissioners for Border causes should order that redress be made for bills of murders as well as robberies, "without forgiveness or remission to anie partie, for that the remission and forgiveness of bills, doethe onlie proffitte and helpe theeves and murderers, and utterlie impoverishe her Majesties true subjectes." Also that no marriages between English and Scottish borderers be allowed without special licence of the wardens of both Marches, for "the same is the decaie of her Majesties service, and the greatest occasion of the spoiles and robberies upon the Borders." Simon Musgrave.

1 p. Contemporary official copy.

166. The Names on the Marches. [July.]

"A note of the gentlemen and surnames in the Marches of England and Scottland.

East Marches.—England; gentlemen.—Forsters, Selbies, Graies, Strowders, Swiners, Mustians. Surnames.—Johnsons, Vardes, Ourdes, Wallisses, Stories, Armestronges, Dunnes, Flukes. Scotland; gentlemen.—Humes, Trotters, Bromfeilds, Dixons, Craws, Crinstons.

West Marches.—England; gentlemen.—Musgraves, Loders, Curwenes, Sawfelde. Surnames.—Greames, Rutlitches, Armestrongs, Fosters, Nixons, Tailors, Stories. Scottland, Maxwells, Johnsons, Urwins, Grames, Bells, Carlills, Battison, Litles, Carrudders.

Midle Marches.—England; gentlemen.—Ogeles, Fenickes, Hernes, Withringtons, Medfords, Shafters, Ridleis, Carnabies. Surnames; Ridesdale.—Halls, Hedleys, Andersons, Potts, Reades, Dunnes, Milburnes. Tindale.—Charletons, Dodds, Milbornes, Robsons, Yaroes, Stapletons. Scottland; gentlemen; East Tividale.—Carrs, Yongs, Pringles, Burnes, Davisons, Gilleries, Tattes. Lidesdale.—Rudderfords, Carrs, Dowglasses, Trombles, S(c)ottes, Piles, Robsons, Halls, Olivers, Ladlers, Armestrongs, Elwoods, Nixons, Crosers, Turners, Fosters." No date or signature.

p. Official handwriting.

167. Scrope on the Marches. [July. 1583.]

"A note of the principall offenders in the West Marches.

Annersdale.—William of Killmore, his bretherne and children, the Gingles. Liddesdale.—The larde of Whitthowe. Symons Tome Armestronge.—The larde of Moungerton—Yonge Robert Elwoods brother.

A note of suche as the Lorde Scrope meanethe to bind withall.—Annersdale.—The Erwins of Greateney. Arthur Greames followers, George Greames followers. Edwarde of Bonshewes followers.

The Lorde Scrope dothe not thincke yt good to binde with anie of Lidesdale, because they have comittede so greate spoiles upon her Majesties subjectes.

A note of the loose men in the Midle Marches.

Lidisdale, 1000 horsmen and footemen.—The Crosiers, the Nixons, the Armestrongs, the Ellwoodes.

Eysdale, Batsons.

Euesdale, Gingles, 300.

West Tividale.—The Trombles, the Ollyvers, Synsleves, Robsons. Easte Tividale.—Davesons, Yonges, Burnes, Pringles, 3000.

The nomber of horsmen and footemen, 4300."

[Here follow parts of the "Resolution" between the wardens and Walsingham.]

The numbers required by Sir John Forster [as in same document].

"There is good justice done in the Easte Marches, bothe in respect that there be not manie loosemen remayninge there, as also for the respecte and awe they stand in of the garrison of Barwick.

The places moste apt to laie men, if need should requier, West Newton, Warck, Norham, if it weare not decayed.

The ill affected noblemen in Scottland, fronting upon the Borders.—The Earle of Mooreton, the Larde Johnson, beinge lorde warden, the Lorde Harryes. Layghenvar, Donlaneryk, Bowbye, Garlishe, barrons.

The well affected.—The Lorde of Aplegarthe, the larde of Emesffeilde."

3 pp. In two hands. A correction in Burghley's writing.

168. Notes as to Borders. [July. 1583 ]

"Mr Hutton of Hutton John, 200l.; Joseph Penington, 500l.

Comberland. Well affected.—Sir Symon Musgrave, 600l.; Sir Henrie Curwin, 600l. John a Lampley, 60. George a Lampley of the Fells, 60. H. Leae, 60. Mr Hurlston of Millham, 600. William Musgrave of Heiton, 400. Joseph Dacres, 200. John Dawson, 600. Christofer Dacres of Lanercost, 600l. Doubtfull.—Fraunces a Lampley of Dovenby, 100. Lancelot Southwell (?) of the Whitehall, 200. George Sawkwerll of Corby, 200. Richard Barras of Hekirk(?), 200. Fraunces Dacres, 100. Thomas Carleton, 100 markes. Arrundell [ ].

Westmerland. Well affected.—H. Crakingthorpe, 200. Launce Pickeringe, 200. John Midleton, 500. John Southack, 40l. Richard Lother, 500 marckes. Doubtfull.—Gerrarde Lother. Jesuits.—Boaste, Gyrbryte. Theise two Jesuistes, hauntinge theise two counties, do muche hurte there.

The names of such as are presently at the feedes.

England.—Hearons, Fenwiks, Shafftowes, Eringtons, Withringtons, Ogles, the Hawles, Charletons, Milbornes.

Scottland.—Elwoods, Armstrongs, Nixons, Crosiers, Trumbles, Olivers.

The meanes to releive the inhabitaunts of the Borders.

To renewe their leases upon convenyent fynes.

To procure that suche leases as have bene taken over the tenauntes heades, maie be stayed, and the parties compownded withall.

The requestes to be propounded to the King of Scotts.

That restytucion be made out of hande of spoiles comitted by his subjectes.

That accordinge to the treatie, a quick man maie be deliverede for a deade.

That the wardens maie meete more frequent at times apointed.

A remedy againste carienge of horses into Scottland.

That proclomacion maie be made out of hande for the inhibitinge of the sale of horses in Scotlande.

That suche as buy horses in Yorckshier shall present their horses to the wardens and be bound in the wardens coverte for the keepinge of the said horses."

2 pp. In same two hands, corrected by a third. Council memoranda probably.

169. Scrope's Memorial to the Ambassador. [July. 1583 ?]

"A note of thinges concerninge her Majesties affairs deliverede to the Lorde ambassador, wherin the Lorde Scroop disyrethe to understande his lordshipes pleasure and dyrection."

First, considering the grievous murders, &c., done both by the Liddesdales and Kinmont, his sons and complices, of which there is no redress from their friendship and intermarriages with the English borderers, he desires to know if he may apprehend some of these notorious offenders, "without offence" of the Queen and Council ?

"Seacondlie, if the like occasion shalbe ministrede by the Kinge of Scottes (as was before at Ruthen) in callinge some of the noblemen of the Borders of Scotlande at this time to the prosecutinge of the Earle of Anguss and other suche like, whether the lorde Scroope maie call downe the forces of his wardenrie, onlie to make shew towards the Borders, not invadinge Scotlande ? As before he did, which tooke good effecte at that tyme—a thinge then well likede of by the lordes of the councell, as maie appeare by their lettres—and if the like occasyon shall now fall out, may hapelie stand in as good steade to the stayenge of those men who are the greateste streinthe the King hathe in those parts?" Not signed.

¾ p. In two of same official hands as last.