Letters and Papers: October 1539, 1-5

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Letters and Papers, Foreign and Domestic, Henry VIII, Volume 14 Part 2, August-December 1539. Originally published by Her Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1895.

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October 1539

R. O.
I received today your letters dated Windsor 24th ult., and am not a little glad to know your good news, and that the King has so well accepted you, praying God that his Grace will so continue. I have been sorry enough because I heard not from you since you went to the Court. Declare to the King your full mind, and trust not to promises or fair words, and follow your suits now your own self. I am glad your fur of sables is come safe, and that the Palsgrave is merry, to whom I pray that I may be recommended. Palmer of Guisnes has showed me, to-day, that a matter is brought before him by the law of Guisnes that you should give commandment to the sergeant royal of Guysnes to keep one Nicholas Pykeryng in prison as a rebel, and the sergeant denies that you gave it. Answered that I knew nothing of the matter, and he asked me to write of it to you. I pray you to defer writing to lord Russell to be good to my son touching the lands which the earl of Bridgewater doth destroy, as he will be of age within this month, and then you can license him to go himself to lord Russell with your letters. Till that time little hurt can be done. I know the earl of Bridgewater's appetite. The more he is spoken unto the worse he will be. I think he will be best to my son himself when he is of full age, and that he may be bound and take bonds. I hope you have received your French wine. It was nine days in the ship before he could have weather to go. It never came on land, but from one ship to the other, and the French ship went straight away. No one had any of it but you. I hope it is good, as I doubt not but it is as John Wonters saith. The other wine shall be kept till your coming home, which shall not be as soon as I would.
Corrected draft, pp. 2.
1 Oct.
R. O.
The King is well and talks pleasantly concerning the affairs of these ambassadors; he intends to be in London about the middle of next week I think my friend Mr. Pointes will "wax in a frenzy" about his purchase because the King hath made answer to Mr. Chancellor that he shall not have it. I beg you will invent some mean for him, for he is in very ill case; having, with great reproach in his country, sold his lands to pay for it, and remained here, with his men, this month at great expense. "For I myself hadd hether lyes (rather lose ?) muche of my lyevyng then he should qwall therein." By whose means this is I trust you can guess. Windsor, 1 Oct. Signed.
P. 1. Add.: Privy Seal. Endd.
1 Oct.
R. O.
Since writing last, on 30 Sept., has received a letter from his friend James Courteney, who, by command under Privy Seal, must appear the 15th day after St. Michael next (sic), as he supposes, to account for the rent of the manor of Ylton due to Cromwell. Desires Cromwell to appoint such as shall receive the account, in these parts, so the writer may not be one. Encloses Courtney's letters, and desires favour to him. Tavistock, 1 Oct. Signed.
P. 1. Add.: Lord Privy Seal. Endd.: Lord Russell.
I have received the King's privy seal to appear before my lord Privy Seal the 15 day after St. Michael, and suppose it is for the rent of the manor of Ylton, 33l., due to his Lordship. I desire your letters to my lord Privy Seal that, for this or any other matter, I may be accountable to your Lordship. Boltburye, "my poor house," 29 Sept. Signed.
P. 1. Add.: Lord Russell.
1 Oct.
Harl. MS.
1991, f. 149.
B. M
Will of Rauff Rogers, alderman of Chester, dated 1 Oct. 1539.
Pp. 4.
1 Oct.
R. O.
Asks for a licence to come over for eight weeks. Apologises for his frequent sueing. Risbancke, 1 Oct. Signed.
P. 1. Add.: Lord Privy Seal. Endd.
1 Oct.
E. IV. 4.
B. M
(The commencement, which is much mutilated, seems to contain only thanks to the King for his promotion hitherto.) "And where of the sa[me goodness it] hath liked your Majesty (as my very special [friend my lord Privy Seal] by his letters at this time largely hath adver[tised me] ... to translate me from Harford, a dignity far ab[ove] ... and merits, unto the bishopric of London, a pro[motion] ... that it were meet for a person only who withall ... were anourned, I cannot but with heart and mo[uth acknowledge] and confess the infinite goodness of your Grace's Highn[ess shown unto] a man of so poor qualities and small parts." (Continues profusely in the same strain.) I pray "that the couriers may with better dilig[ence] deliver my letters in your Grace's affairs than of late I perceive they have d[one]." Compeigne, 1 Oct., 11 p.m.
Hol., p. 1. Much injnred at edge.
2 Oct.
R. O.
Receipt, 2 Oct., 31 Hen. VIII., by Edmond Lentall, to the use of Sir Geo. Carewe, of 22l. 16s. 7½d. from John Southcote for the rents of Tamerton, Luffyngcott, Westdraynes, Trevenyell, Treweneck, and Faryngdon; 30l. 10s. 11½d. from Ph. Luscomb, bailiff of Stoke Flemyng; 6l. from Wm. Turner, bailiff of Colwaye, in Lyme; 113s. 3½d. from Thos. Bartlett, bailiff of Oterymohun and Mounketon; and 70s. 8d. from Edw. Carwythan, bailiff of Polsloo, 70s. 8d. Signed: Resayvyd by me, G. Carew.
p. 1.
2 Oct.
R. O.
St. P., I.
Supp., p. 259
Since writing last, have come to the knowledge of treasons committed by the abbot of Glastonbury. Encloses a book thereof, with the accusers' names. Glastonbury, 2 Oct. Signed.
P. 1. Add.: Lord Privy Seal. Endd.
2 Oct.
R. O.
Did not receive his letter of 16 May till 10 Sept., and has had no opportunity of answering before. His journey from Venice has been slow, in consequence of the death of the ambassador (fn. 1) he came out with. Arrived here only on 2 Sept, just four months after leaving Venice. During the voyage have learned "what is for men not to spoil themselves, never to come in bed, to drink water nine or ten days together, often to lodge where was neither meat for us and less for our horses, seldom to come in any house for fear of the pestilence," which at their arrival often killed 1,000 or 1,500 a day in Constantinople.
The Venetian ambassador thought to find the peace ready made with the Turk, but he will make no agreement with the Venetians unless they give him Naples (fn. 2) and Malvasia, two towns in the Peloponeso. So he returns re infecta. The Great Turk has gone to Bithynia, but will return in a month to celebrate the circumcision of two of his sons, and the marriage of his daughter. Intends to stop and see it. Hitherto men have scarce gone abroad for fear of the sickness, and none of the Florentines where he boards have been in Constantinople for five months. The sickness increases suddenly, and at this time of year dies utterly. Hopes to remain under the French ambassador's protection, though the country is dangerous, and return to Venice after the feast. Barbarossa is expected back from the enterprise of Castell Novo, with his army of 150 "veales." The assault lasted six days and nights, not without great mortality of the Turks, but that they care little for. Hopes his father has paid the 150 cr. he borrowed of Harwell at Venice. Will make it last as long as he can, and consider that his father has advanced him his allowance for 18 months. Constantinople, 2 Oct. 1539. Signature mutilated.
Hol., pp. 3. Add.: In London. Endd.
3 Oct.
R. O.
Kaulek, 133.
(All except the
first sentence.)
Since his last of the 26th, some things have occurred which he must report, though their truth is not absolutely certain, the rumour is so strong and the probability so great. It is to be presumed that the marriage of this King with the sister of the duke of Cleves is agreed upon and will shortly be consummated, and, although the ministers still say only that they have good hope of it, appearances indicate that it is settled, especially the equipment of 10 ships, in which the Admiral and other lords of this Court go to conduct the said lady hither in all solemnity and triumph. To this may be added the great caresses made to the ambassadors who came about the matter, and the little account taken of the Count Palatine since his first interview; he has remained alone in his lodging while they have been feasted every day. Moreover, repairs and ornaments have been renewed in the King's principal house, and especially in the quarter where queens are lodged, and some of the principal lords of this Court have bought much cloth of gold and silk, a thing unusual for them except for some great solemnity. These considerations, with the singular affection this King has always shown to the alliance of Cleves, seem to warrant the writer to certify it.
As to the Count Palatine, although presumably he has some secret charge from the Emperor, such an affair is noway manifest, and, by the countenance shown him and the leave he is to take in two days, it is likely he will return without doing anything. London, 2 Oct.
Since writing the above, has learnt that the marriage is concluded and that the Count Palatine was only here to ask aid against the king of Denmark, who detains his father-in-law (fn. 3) prisoner. The said Palatine has since taken leave and the Admiral continues his preparations to go for the said lady, who is expected here about the middle of November. London, 3 Oct.
French. Modern copy, pp. 3. Docketed: Envoyée par mon cousin.
3 Oct.
R. O.
Kaulek, 134
To the same effect as the preceding. Cromwell and the Admiral who arrived here to-day say the marriage is concluded and the said Admiral commissioned to go for the lady; also that the Count Palatine came only for aid against Denmark and returns disappointed. The said Palatine arrived in London to-day and leaves to-morrow. Sends his cousin with these for greater expedition and surety. 3 Oct.
French. Modern copy, p. 1.
4 Oct.
Add. MS.
33, 514, f. 25,
B. M.
Ribier, I. 474
[Yesterday] (fn. 4) arrived M. de Borran, and when I had seen your letters and heard his charge, we got Adrien Cape arrested and then went to speak with this King. To-day this King has granted that we may send the prisoner to his good brother, provided the most Christian King sends him a letter signed with his own hand promising that unless found guilty of high treason the prisoner will be sent back here, whatever other crime he may have committed. This being in accordance with the treaties, I promised that he should have the letters within ten days, if he would deliver the prisoner to M. de Borran; which he granted, and M. de Borran will leave tomorrow. All the other compagnons of this plot had gone to Antwerp to provide themselves with horses and secret armour, leaving Adrien to follow them after defraying expenses. [Recommends also the arrest of viscounte Des Pres, who is at the Court, and one Ganolle (?); for Duglan believes that they were to indicate the time and opportunity for the attempt. The maitre d'hotel of the bp. of Orleans knows them well. You will understand the rest very soon. Cannot write more to-day as you should be informed at once, and make sure of those of the Court above-named.] (fn. 5) London, 4 Oct. 1539, 5 p.m.
I made no mention except of the King, that we might have the fellow as soon as possible; for this King had appointed and meant to have treated him as a good captain of war. Nevertheless you should not delay the letter this King asks for: for it is high treason in law to conspire against the councillors of the Prince, and you are chief of that Order.
Hol., French, pp. 2. Add.: Monseigneur le Connestable et Grant Maistre de France. Endd.
4 Oct.
Add. MS.
6668, f. 403.
B. M
Receipt by Thos. Babyngton of 4l. 8s. from German Poull, of Wakebreg, for his "coope taylle." 4 Oct. 31 Hen. VIII.
Hol. Small slip, p. 1.
4 Oct.
R. O.
278. JOHN PULESTON, Serjeant, and WILLIAM AP ROBERT, Sheriff of Anglesey, to CROMWELL.
Send, by bearer, their shares of the 100l. they promised Cromwell for the sheriffwick of the three shires of North Wales. Beg "that we all, the three sheriffs" of the three shires, may have our offices as our predecessors had, and that Cromwell will write to the Justice of North Wales to that end. Caernarvon, 4 Oct. Signed.
P. 1. Add.: Lord Privy Seal. Endd.
[4 Oct.]
Calig. B. III.
B. M
Proclamation by Sir Thos. Wharton, that the wardens of the West Marches of both realms have met at Kirkanders kirk, 4 Oct., filed and cleaned bills, and agreed mutually to give pledges for redress of offences committed before next meeting; also that, as perjury has heretofore been a great let to justice, henceforth any man proved perjured "before any of the assizes" shall lose his right ear and the bill be redressed at four times its value. English bills to be sent to Dumfries, Scotch bills to Carlisle, 15 days before the next meeting, fixed for Wednesday next after the feast of All Saints.
Copy, pp. 2. Endd.: Sir Thom[as] Wharton.
4 Oct.
R. O.
Wrote on the 6th ult. by ordinary post, and on the 12th and 19th by extraordinary. Has received his of the 4th. Nothing farther has been moved on either part concerning the musicians. Thought it against the King's dignity to make any further suit, but rather contemn their rusticity. The musicians were so desirous of seeing the King that, in spite of the refusal to give them licence, they started for England on the 1st. They are four brothers esteemed above all others in the city. Being poor, has, by Mr. Knevett's commission, given them 160 cr. for their journey, besides letters of credit. Brucioli is opposed to the bishop of Rome, and his dedication of his Bible to the King is a good part to anger him. He has pure and sincere faith and many great qualities worthy to serve a prince. He could be usefully employed in Rome to know the said Bishop's secrets. Stroci is also an enemy of the Bishop's, who has taken away his goods and would have put him in peril for words spoken by his brother. He has therefore sold his goods and left Rome. He is courageous, discreet, and humane. He entertains a company of expert captains and engineers, and would prefer to serve the King, though he is somewhat inclined to the French king. Cannot say anything certain as he is absent at present. Brucioli thinks Stroci would rather go in person to the King.
After Barbarossa had been in Puglia four or five days, to encounter Andrea Doria, and set aland 400 Turks, who were put to flight, and 60 of them taken, he departed, and passed Corfu on the 10th, and is now in Previsa, returning towards Constantinople. No other letters have come from the Venetian orator with the Turk; so that the conclusion of the practices of peace are not known, but it is probable.
There is always rumour that the French are bent on war. They have lately sent good sums of money to the Swiches and Almains, and their continual practices with the Turks show that they intend to break with the Emperor. Monte Jehan, the French king's general captain in Piemont is lately dead. The bishop of Rome is at Ancona. Venice, 4 Oct. 1539.
Petro Stroci has just arrived. Being told how grateful his offers were to the King he seemed much satisfied, and offered to serve the King against anyone. He intends to send a man to the King shortly.
Hol., pp. 4. Add.: Privy Seal. Endd.
5 Oct.
Close Roll,
31 Hen. VIII.
p. 5. No. 22
The extracts printed in Rymer XIV. 667–8 among a number of surrenders, refer to a grant of the manors of Estpekham, Teston, Estfarlegh, and Westfarlegh, to the Crown.
5 Oct.
R. O.
282. CROMWELL to MR. POPE, Treasurer of the Augmentations.
Desires him to pay to lord Lisle, who is departing for Calais tomorrow, 200l., being one year's annuity lately granted to him by the King. London, 5 Oct. 31 Hen. VIII. Signed.
P. 1. Add.
5 [Oct.]
R. O.
Thanks her for entertainment at Calais. The King and the Prince are merry and in prosperous estate. The affairs of Calais proceed well by lord Lisle's furtherance, as he may more largely declare to you. We were both with the lord Privy Seal and received a gentle answer for a good order to be taken in all their causes. Trusts all contentions and variations will be avoided and the town set in quietness and rest. London, 5 Nov. (fn. 6) Signed.
P. 1. Add.
[5 Oct.]
R. O.
Is now with her cousin Dene, by the King's commandment; for whereas Mrs. Meotes lies in London there are no walks but a little garden, here are fair walks and a good open air; "for the physician doth say that there is nothing better for my disease than walking." I hoped to have seen you here when my Lord came over, but as I trust we shall have a mistress shortly, when she comes over I shall hope to see you. Westminster, Sunday after Michaelmas Day.
My cousin Dene desires her commendations.
Hol., (fn. 7) p. 1. Add.


  • 1. Pietro Zeno. See Part I. of this Volume Nos. 725 and 910; also Spanish Calendar, Vol. VI., Pt. I., pp. 166–7, 179.
  • 2. Napoli di Romania.
  • 3. King Christiern II. of Denmark.
  • 4. The word "hier" is not in the text of the original MS., which has been corrected for press by the Editor. The commencement of the letter, which is crossed out, reads as follows:—"Ainsi que jestoys sur le point de vous faire une depesche sur les propoz que javoys despuys entenduz par le personage designé en mon aultre lettre, arriva Monsieur de Borran, duquel," &c.
  • 5. This passage is crossed out in the MS. and is not printed by Ribier, who substitutes the P.S. before the date.
  • 6. So in MS. Apparently the clerk was about to have written "September," for there is an "S" struck out before "November." This gives a slight suspicion that the real date was "October," and that in correcting one mistake the clerk made another. On the 5th October Lisle had successfully finished his business and was on the point of starting for Calais. On the other hand, it is improbable that Sandes, who wrote from Mottesfont on the 26th October and from the Vine on the 11th November, should have written from London between those dates. Moreover, he says expressly in his later letter of the 22nd November, that he had been in the country ever since the 8th October.
  • 7. Not her own hand.