House of Commons Journal Volume 1: 11 July 1610

Mercurii, 11o Julii, 1610

Several Orders.

INMATES: - This Day

Brokers : - To-morrow.

Sir Vincent Skynner, - touching Rich. Orrell: - To come and go free. - The Committees removed to Temule Hall.

Assignments of Debts, re-committed.

New Rivers : - This Afternoon.

Ash and Deane: - Friday.

Ambassadors Children: - The same Day.

Oath of Allegiance.

L. 3. B. - Oath of Allegiance: - Upon Question, passed.

Damerham.

L. 3. B. - Damerham - Passed.

Grievances.

Sir Edwyn Sandys, - touching the Priority of the Bills that are to accompany the Grievances.

Supply.

Mr. Chancellor: - That all Counsels in the Name of God ought to begin, - From his Heart true and good Counsel. -

The Plague increasing, - the Time threatened. - Little done in Six Months; nothing but Matter of Grievances. -

In Matter of Government he will give Answer before the End of the Session. -

Matter of Profit: -

Sea-coal:

Alehouses :

Licences for Wine :

Drapery:

New Impositions.

Mr. Dyett: - We have had Answer in Part: \Ve expect Answer more, - To give something to his Majesty, for Contentment, in Hope of a good Answer.

Sir Wm. Morrice: - pro Rege, lege, et grege. - For Three Subsidies. - The same Man he was at the Beginning.

Mr. Dammett: - For Two, or Three Subsidies.

Mr. Recorder: - We have heard Moses and a Prophet Yesterday. - Two Subsidies, and Four Fifteens.

Sir H. Poole: - One Subsidy, and Two Fifteens.

Sir Wm. Maynard: - Two Subsidies, and no Fifteens, because they pinch the Poor.

Sir Geo. More : - Two Subsidies, and Four Fifteens, in Two Years.

Mr. Irby: - Never Two Subsidies till 31. at One Time.

- One Subsidy now; another resolved to be granted, and to be granted the next Session.

Sir Nich. Saunders: - That neither Wales, nor Northern Cinque Ports, nor Northern Counties, to be exempted.

Sir Edwyn Sandys: - That the Northern Counties are bound by the former Statutes ; Cinque Ports, out of the Proviso. - Moved, that these might have Burgesses.

Sir John Sammes: - No Exemption, because they gain by the Certificate.

Sir John Boys: - That they have found Ships in time of Navigation.

Mr. Speaker readeth the Proviso to exempt.

Sir John Mallorie: - Rather Two Subsides, and no Fifteen, than One Subsidy, and Two Fifteens.

Mr. Chancellor: - Mr. Irby, that -

No Subsidy since 40o Eliz. not above 78,000l. every Fifteen, 29,000l. certain. - Subsidy riseth and falleth. -

In 8o Eliz. Subsidy was 120,000l. Then, in London, 8,000 l. now, 4,000l.

Sir John Luson .- - One Subsidy, and Two Fifteens.

Mr. Whytson: - No Fifteen, but Subsidy.

Mr. Mercer : - Two Subsidies, and no Fifteens.

Sir Edwyn Sandys: - It it were in regard of War, then a Fifteen; if in any other regard, of Magnificence, then no Fifteen.

Sir John Harpur: - If Gentlemen for their Demesnes pay rateably, then a Fifteen may be very well.

Mr. Fuller : - One Subsidy, One Fifteen.

Mr. Tey . - No Fifteen.

Sir Wm. Strowd, Mr. Staughton : - No Fifteen.

Mr. Alford; - One Subsidy, and pay presently.

1. Q. Whether any Fifteen.

The House divided:

Tellers.

with the Noe, Sir Herbert Crofts, Sir Wm. Wray : 129

with the Yea, Mr. Chancellor, Sir Walter Cope: 149

Fifteens to be granted.

Much Dispute, what should be the Question.

Sir Herbert Crofts: - Justice from the King, Obedience from the Subject; Grace from the King, Benevolence from the Subject. - No giving, until an Answer.

Quest. Whether Two Fifteens:

145 Noe : Sir Jo. Egerton, Sir Geo. St. Poll:

Yea, 130. Mr. Chancellor, Sir Walter Cope. -

One Fifteen only to be granted.

Question made, Whether to give the King a Subsidy, and One Fifteen : - Resolved, upon Question.

Much Dispute about the Time.

Resolved, The first Payment of the Subsidy, in November ; the Fifteen in February; the second in May.

The King's Counsel to draw the Bill in Form.