Lunæ, 29 Aprilis, 1678.
Danger from Popery.
SIR John Trevor reports from the Committee appointed to prepare and draw up Reasons to be offered at a Conference with the Lords, concerning the
Danger the Nation is in by the Growth of Popery; and
for providing Remedies to prevent the same; and to
summon Mr. Arnold and Mr. Scudamore, and to take
their Answer to the Paper delivered to Mr. Speaker;
That the Committee met several times: And that they had
perused several Papers and Records; and had taken the
Answers of Mr. Arnold and Mr. Scudamore, and the Informations of several others; and had several Informations
exhibited to them, taken upon Oath before Justices of the
Peace: And that the Committee ordered him to make a
Report, consisting of several Particulars, disposed under
Three Heads: Which Report he read in his Place; and
afterwards delivered the same in at the Clerk's Table.
Message to attend the King.
A Message from the King, by Sir Edward Carteret,
Usher of the Black Rod;
The King commands this honourable House to attend
Him, immediately, in the House of Peers.
And accordingly Mr. Speaker, with the House, went
up to attend his Majesty.
And the House being returned, Mr. Speaker reports,
That he had attended his Majesty: And that his Majesty
was pleased to signify his Pleasure by the Lord Chancellor:
Being long, and of great Consequence, to avoid Mistakes,
he had obtained a Copy of it: Which was read to the
House by the Clerk; and is as followeth; viz.
Lord Chancellor's Speech.
My Lords, and you the Knights, Citizens, and Burgesses of the House of Commons.
HIS Majesty, having made a League offensive and
defensive with Holland, and endeavoured to improve
that League, by entering into further and more general
Alliances, for the Prosecution of the War, hath nevertheless
thought fit, before he make His last Step, to take the
further Advice of both His Houses of Parliament; and
resolves to govern himself by it.
And to the end His Parliament may be able to give a
clear and certain Judgment in this Matter, His Majesty
hath commanded, that the present State and Condition
of Affairs should be fully and plainly opened to you.
And this I shall do in few Words.
The Address to His Majesty from both Houses, was
upon the Sixteenth of March One thousand Six hundred
and Seventy-six; wherein the dangerous Growth of the
French Monarchy being observed, and the Conquests
made in Flanders, together with the ill Consequences arising from thence, His Majesty is desired to strengthen
Himself by such stricter Alliances as may secure His own
Kingdoms, and preserve the Spanish Netherlands.
But this Address did neither desire nor seem to intend,
that His Majesty should so suddenly and so abruptly
depart from his Figure of Mediator, as immediately to
become a Party in the War, before any such Alliances were
made: For this Address was followed with several other
Addresses from the Commons, in the Months of March,
April, and May following, all of them pressing His
Majesty to hasten His Entry into such Alliances; and one
of them particularly pointing at a League offensive and
defensive with the States General. And in Truth, as no
Alliances could well be made, till we had concluded with
Holland; so no Entry could be made upon any Alliance
with Holland, until the Mind of the Prince of Orange were
perfectly known; for upon him would depend much of
that Certainty and Secrecy, which was absolutely necessary
to bring such a Treaty to Perfection: But the Prince was in
so great a Hurry of Business, and such a Heat of Action,
that no Time could possibly be found all that Summer, to
enter upon this Treaty. And yet that no Time might
be lost, His Majesty did all he could at Home, to fit and
prepare Himself for such an Alliance, when the Time
should come: He repairs His old Fleet; buys in necessary
Stores for the Navy and Ordnance: And in this and other
Provisions, for better securing His foreign Plantations, and
Islands nearer Home, expended a great deal more than the
Two hundred thousand Pounds, which He was enabled
to borrow upon the Excise: And if He could have then
prevailed to have had the Six hundred thousand Pounds
completed, as he desired, the Expence of That in other
Stores and Provisions, both for Land and Sea, would by this
time have given an universal Content and Satisfaction.
Nor did His Majesty rest here, but He continued all
the rest of that Summer to make all the Steps He could
towards an Alliance with Holland. To this End He did in
the Month of June send for His Ambassador Sir Wm.
Temple, to come to Him from Nimeguen, in order to his
being employed to negotiate with the Prince of Orange,
touching those Measures which were necessary to be taken
for the common Safety: But the Prince's continual Action
caused it to be deferred; and yet in August following the
King appoints His Ambassador Mr. Hyde to wait upon
the Prince, and to know of him what Course he thought
best to be taken, as Things then stood; and to desire
him, that he would either write his own Mind, or send
some Person hither, instructed with it, or come himself.
The Prince was pleased to choose the latter.
By That Conversation with his Highness, His Majesty
quickly understood to what a low Estate the Affairs of
Holland were reduced; and in what great Disorders the
rest of the Confederates were; they in Flanders totally
desponding, and the People in Holland being violent for
a Peace. So that there seemed to be no other Remedy
or Expedient left, but for His Majesty to try whether a
Peace could be obtained upon reasonable Conditions; this
being the main and principal Point, to which the King
had been all that Year earnestly solicited by the States;
that is to say, In the Months of January, May, and
September last, just before the Prince came over: And
His Majesty had Reason to believe, that such Endeavours
would be greatful to the States; and took thereby an
Opportunity to engage the States, that, in case of Refusal,
they should enter into such an Alliance with His Majesty, Lord Chancellor's Speech as might enable Him to obtain His Desires by Force of
Arms: For His Majesty did well perceive, that the States
of Holland, whom he had so long found weary of the War,
would never enter into any Alliance with His Majesty for
the Prosecution of this War, without a Prospect of a Peace.
And, to convince the World, that His Majesty was
resolved to espouse the Interest of the States General to
the uttermost, His Majesty (who could not but see that
the Happiness and Prosperity of the Prince did very much
depend upon the Quiet and Repose of those Countries)
did, in the Time of their most pressing Dangers, give
His own Niece in Marriage to the Prince: Which Act
alone was enough to extinguish all the Fears at Home,
and raise the Hopes of all that were Abroad. And with
this Assurance, and this Evidence of the King's good
Intentions to the States, the Prince returned.
And now, to the end it might be known, whether his
most Christian Majesty would consent to such Conditions
of Peace, as might be grateful to the States; and that
such Measures might be taken as were fit in case of
Refusal; Conditions were prepared and sent to Paris,
by the Earl of Feversham, in November last; and in
December following, the Earl of Eeversham returns with
an Answer, very dissatisfactory.
This ill Answer being returned, His Majesty hastened
the Meeting of the Parliament; and proceeded to close
up the Treaty with the States General, for obtaining of
those Conditions by Force of Arms, which could not be
obtained by fair Means.
And this is the League offensive and defensive made
with Holland, and concluded in the Beginning of January
last: Which his Majesty is graciously pleased may be
communicated to the Parliament, if they shall desire to
And His Majesty, at the same time, and for the fuller
Satisfaction of His Parliament, and the better Securing
of his Kingdoms, in all Events, did further take care
to conclude another perpetual defensive Treaty with the
In Execution of the offensive and defensive League,
His Majesty sent to the States, to have the Number of
Forces by Sea and Land adjusted; and did agree what
His own Quota by Sea should be; and sent over some
Forces into Flanders; and had sent more, but that some
Difficulties were made on That Side; which His Majesty,
for the Friendship sake which He hath with them, does
not think fit to remember.
The next Thing absolutely necessary to be done, was,
to have one common Alliance, for all Parties to enter into
for the Carrying on of the War, by disposing the several
Stations of the joint Forces, by the general Prohibition of
Commerce, and by providing against all Possibilities of any
separate Peace: For which Causes His Majesty appoints
His own Commissioners, to meet and treat with the foreign
Ministers: But to the King's great Disappointment it
appeared, that the Dutch Ambassador had no Power to
treat: Which made the other Ministers refuse to enter
upon any Discourse; and therefore, to obtain these Powers
to be sent, His Majesty, besides the repeated and pressing
Instances of His own Ambassadors in Holland, was pleased
to write Himself to the States very earnestly in this Matter.
At last Powers come: But then the Ambassador wants
Instructions; so that nothing at all could be concluded
touching those Points which were most essential and necessary to be settled between us; and which the King hath
never ceased to press for, to this very Day. But hitherto
the King finds what he always feared, that the Dutch are
making haste to get out of the War; and are so far from
disposing themselves to enter into any new Alliance for the
more vigorous Prosecution of it, that whether they will
persevere in the League offensive and defensive which
they have made with the King, or to what Degree they will
act, if they should persevere, depends upon very many and
very great Uncertainties: For they are at this very Time
entered upon Considerations of accepting such a Peace as
the most Christian King hath thought fit to offer lately at
Nimeguen, though it be without His Majesty's Consent or
Privity, and contrary to that League by which they stand
obliged to him to prosecute the War, till a much better
Peace can be obtained.
To prevent this, the King hath sent an Express, on
purpose to know what they intend by this manner of
Proceeding; and to dissuade them from it, by letting them
see, that this will be as ill a Peace for themselves and the
rest of Christendom, as their Enemies could wish.
But the King, as yet, can receive no other Account
from them, but Complaints of their great Poverty, and
utter Inability to be at any further Charge in carrying on
the War: And the King is informed by His Ambassador,
that they intend to send over an Envoy Extraordinary
to His Majesty, to beg His Majesty to accept of these
Propositions; and to excuse themselves for this, upon
the general Impatience of their People.
This is the State of the Case; and thus it stands at this
Day between us and Holland; from whom we have little
Hopes now, that they should ever so far enter into this
new and common Alliance, as to make it Quadrupartite.
And now, upon the whole Matter, the King demands
your Advice, what may be fit for Him to do in this
difficult Conjuncture; and resolves to pursue it: And
therefore desires you to take this Matter into your most
speedy and most serious Considerations.
Leagues and Treaties.
Ordered, That the Members of this House that are of
his Majesty's Privy Council do attend His Majesty; and
humbly desire him, that he will be pleased to communicate to this House, all such Leagues and Treaties as
are mentioned in the Lord Chancellor's Speech, or
Danger from Popery.
The House then proceeded to the Consideration of the
Report, this Day made by Sir John Trevor: Which
was read by the Clerk, and is as followeth.
The First Head;
The Names of Popish Priests; by whom kept; the
Chapels, and other Places where Mass is said, and
resorted to, in the County of Monmouth.
1. John Arnold, of Llanvihangell in the County of
Monmouth, Esquire, late a Justice of the Peace there, by
his Examination saith, that he hath known Mr. David
Lewis for Seven or Eight Years; who hath been for all
that Time, and before, reputed a Jesuit, and Provincial
of the Jesuits, in the County of Monmouth: That for
several Years past, he lived . . Llantarnam House, then
in Jointure to the Lady Morgan; which by her Death,
about Two Years since, came to Sir Edward Morgan:
Where the said David Lewis publickly said Mass, as he
hath been credibly informed by Persons that were present
thereat. He likewise says That he hath seen the Chapel,
Altar, and Ornaments in the said House, for the Celebration of Mass: That the said David Lewis lives now
near Llantarnam aforesaid; and doth also, as he hath
been informed, say Mass at a Popish Chapel, near Mr.
Gunter's House in Abergaveny Town.
2. Charles Morgan Gentleman, by his Examination
upon Oath, saith, That David Lewis, a Popish reputed
Priest, doth often frequent the House of one Mr. Thomas
Gunter of Abergaveny.
3. William James, by his Examination upon Oath,
saith, That he hath known David Lewis to be a Popish
Priest, this Sixteen Years; and believes him to be the
Superior of all the Jesuits in North and South Wales: He
and his Wife have received the Sacrament of him; hath
seen him administer it to above a Hundred Persons; hath
seen him christen several Children, and marry several Persons at a Chapel in Lantarnam House, and at the Houses
of Andrew and Edward William: That a great Number
resort to Llantarnam to hear Mass. Deposeth further,
That he hath given several Angels to the said David Lewis
to pray for the Soul of his Father-in-Law, after he was
dead: And that his Father-in-Law told him and his Wife,
that he was fain to give Fifty Pounds to the said David
Lewis, to be disposed to pious Uses; and that if he did
not give it, he should neither have the Sacrament, nor
Absolution. And he further saith, That he knoweth
William Cornelius who hath officiated as Clerk at Mass to
the said David Lewis, this Fifteen or Sixteen Years;
And that the said William Cornelius was both a Constable
and Churchwarden for the Parish of Langatuck.
4. Dorothy, the Wife of William James, deposeth, That
she hath known David Lewis to be a Popish Priest, these
Twenty Years; hath seen him say Mass at Llantarnan,
and elsewhere; she and her Husband having received the
Sacrament from him; and hath seen him administer it to
several Persons; and marry and christen several times:
She knoweth, that one William Cornelius hath officiated
as Clerk to the said David Lewis, for Sixteen Years past,
5. Mr. Aronld says, That he hath known Captain
Syliard Four or Five Years: That he hath been informed, by the Minister of Lanarth, and others, That
he is a Romish Priest, and doth openly say Mass in that
Parish; to which great Numbers do resort: That most
of the Parish are Papists.
6. Thomas Watkins, Vicar of Lanarth, upon his
Oath, deposeth, That one Syliard, a reputed Popish
Priest, resides in the said Parish.
7. Mr. Charles Morgan, upon his Oath, saith, That
the said Mr. Syliard, a reputed Popish Priest, lives
with Mrs. Jones of Lanarth, Widow.
8. Mr. Arnold says, That Mr. Harris, alias Price, is
reputed to be a Popish Priest.
9. Thomas Watkins of Lanarth, upon his Oath, deposeth, That Walter Harry, alias Price, is a reputed
Popish Priest; resideth in Clitha a Hamlet in Lanarth,
in the House of Mrs. Christian Milburne: That there
are above Eighty reputed Popish Recusants, besides
Children and Servants, in that Parish: That he hath been
informed, that the said Price says Mass, marries and
christens in the said Parish; and has endeavoured to
pervert several of the Parish to the Popish Religion.
10. Mr. Samuell Watkins, Vicar of Lantilio Gresseny
and Penrose in the County of Monmouth, upon his Oath,
says, That Mr. Walter Harries, alias Price, and another
Mr. Harries, say Mass at William Pullen's House; and
likewise do often christen.
11. Mr. Aron Lewis, of Landigua in the County of
Monmouth, upon his Oath, says, That several Persons
have informed him, that Walter Harries, alias Price,
is a Popish Priest, and had christened several of their
Children; and that the said Price said Mass publickly:
and that he lives in the House of Mrs. Catherine and
12. Alice the Wife of the said Mr. Aron Lewis, upon
her Oath, saith, That she knoweth the said Mr. Walter
Price to be a Popish Priest: Hath seen and heard him
say Mass Forty times; hath received the Sacrament
from him; hath seen him administer it to a Hundred
more; hath seen him often marry and christen; hath
perverted several Protestants from the Church of England
to the Church of Rome; as James Prichard and Catherine
his Wife, Charles Watkins and Margarett his Wife, and
the Wife of William Arthur, and several others.
She further saith, that she hath seen above a Hundred
at Mass at one time, at Mrs. Christian Milborne's
House: And that the Crowd was so great, that the Loft
was forced to be propped, lest it should fall down under
the Weight: That she hath confessed her Sins to the said
Price; and that he gave her Absolution.
13. William Lewis, of Ragland in the County of
Monmouth, upon his Oath, saith, That he hath seen
Mr. Price, who doth, or lately did live at the House of
Mrs. Milborne, say Mass, and preach in Welch: That
the said Price did earnestly endeavour to turn him from
the Church of England to the Church of Rome; telling
him, That he should never see the Face of God, unless
he would be of their Way.
14. Mr. Roger Seys, upon his Oath, saith, That the
said Walter Harry, alias Price, is a Popish Priest: And
that he was present when it was proved before a Justice
of the Peace, That the said Price had said Mass.
15. William James, upon his Oath, saith, That he
knoweth Walter Harries, alias Price, a Popish Priest; and
hath seen him at Mass; hath heard him say Mass: And
that he is entertained at Mrs. Milborne's House in Clitha.
16: Mr. Arnold says, That he hath been very credibly
informed, that one Dr. Pugh says Mass publickly in the
House of Mr. Thomas Rodnam of Blackebrooke, both when
Mr. Rodnam is at home, and when he is absent: That he
hath been informed, that Walter James Esquire suffers
one John Lloyd, a reputed Priest, to say Mass in his House
at Treivor: That he hath seen a Chapel at Llanvaire in
the House of Turbervill Morgan Esquire; and an Altar
and Ornaments in it. And he hath been informed, that
Thomas Lloyd, a Popish Priest, saith publick Mass,
marries, christens, and buries in the said Chapel.
17. Mr. Samuell Watkins, Vicar of Llantillio Gresseny,
and Penrose, upon his Oath, saith, That Mr. Lloyd, a
reputed Popish Priest, says Mass at the House of Turbervill Morgan Esquire, in his Parish: That there are
Three other Houses in his Parish, where reputed Popish
Priests are entertained, and say public Mass: And that
there are in the Parishes of Llantillio Gressing, and Penrose, Sixscore Popish Recusants.
18. Mr. Arnold says, That he hath been informed by
the Minister and several Witnesses, that Mrs. Scudamore
of Penrose, Widow, suffers publick Mass to be said in her
House; and that great Numbers resort thither.
19. Mr. Samuell Watkins, Vicar of Penrose, upon his
Oath, saith, That one Mr. Lloyd, a reputed Popish Priest, is
entertained at the House of one Mrs. Winifred Scudamore:
And that he hath seen him there, and a great Number of
Popish Recusants resorting thither upon Sundays and
Holidays, to hear Mass, as he conceiveth; and he verily
believes, all her Children were christened by Popish Priests.
20. Mr. Arnold says, That he hath seen a publick
Chapel near the House of Mr. Thomas Gunter, a Papist
convict in Abergaveny, adorned with the Marks of the
Jesuits on the Outside; and is informed, that Mass is said
there by Captain Evans, a reputed Jesuit, and by the
aforesaid David Lewis; that very great Numbers resort to
the said Chapel, and very often at Church-time: And he
hath credibly heard, that a Hundred have gone out of the
said Chapel, when not Forty have gone out of the Great
Church: That the said Chapel is situate in a publick
Street of the said Town; and doth front the said Street.
21. Mr. Greenhaugh, Vicar of Abergaveny, and Lantilio Bartholey in the County of Monmouth, upon his Oath,
saith, That on Sundays and Holidays he hath seen great
Number of Roman Catholicks resort to the House of Mr.
Thomas Gunter at Abergaveney: And that the said Gunter
entertains one Captain Evans, whom he supposeth to be
a Popish Priest: That there is the publick Marks of the
Jesuits on the Outside of the Building; which is directly
towards the Parish Church; and he is informed is their
Chapel: And that they have in that House all the Formalities and Ornaments unto a Chapel belonging; with
Mass on Sundays, and other Holidays. He deposeth,
That there have been many Marriages and Christenings
in both the said Parishes, by Popish Priests: And further, That the said Thomas Gunter told him, that in
Oliver's Time of Severity he kept a Priest, and would
keep one now: That many times Corps came to be interred, with the Formalities of white Crosses upon them;
and, endeavouring to hinder the said Superstition, he hath
been often abused: That he hath informed John Arnold
Esquire, and other Justices of the Peace, of publick Mass
said there; and other Enormities of the Papists.
22. William James aforesaid, upon his Oath, deposeth,
That he knoweth Phillip Evans, commonly called Captain
Evans, a Popish Priest, entertained by Mr. Thomas
Gunter, at his House in Abergaveny.
23. Mr. Arnold says, That the Persons who commonly
go under the Names hereafter mentioned, do often change
their Names, and are called by other Names; and are
reputed to be itinerant Priests in the Counties of Hereford
and Monmouth; and do usually officiate in Ten Miles
Compass; viz. Mr. Dracott, Mr. Elliott, Captain Pugh,
Dr. Pugh, Mr. Rider, Mr. Morgan, Mr. Lloyd, Mr. Williams, Mr. Parry, Mr. Jones, Mr. Harries, who is said to be
Super-intendant of the Combe, Mr. John Hall, Mr. Thomas
Powell, Mr. Harries, alias Price, Mr. Thomas Andrewes.
24. Thomas Watkins, Vicar of Llanarth, upon his
Oath, deposeth, That Thomas Andrewes, a reputed Popish
Priest, says Mass very often at William Davie's House
of Bettus, as he hath been informed.
25. Mr. Samuell Watkins, Vicar of Llantilio Gresseny,
upon his Oath, deposeth, That Mr. Thomas Andrews, a
reputed Popish Priest, is entertained at Mr. Anthony
Powell's at Killough; where he hath seen him: And that
he says publick Mass there: And that Mr. Hall, a
reputed Popish Priest, is entertained at Mr. James Prichard's House of Blaen Llyman, where Mass is publickly
said: And he hath been informed, that another reputed
Popish Priest, called Mr. Lawrence Watkins, frequents
the House of Mr. Walter Powell.
26. Mr. Roger Seys, upon his Oath, deposeth, That he
heard it proved before several Justices of the Peace of the
County of Monmouth, that Mr. Lawrence Watkins was
a Popish Priest, and did officiate at the House of Mr.
Charles Scudamore, deceased: And further deposeth,
That Thomas Powell, a reputed Popish Priest, liveth at
the House of the Lady Jones of Treowen, which is distant
about a Quarter of a Mile from the Parish Church of
Dingeston; to which Church, as he is informed, there do
not resort above Sixteen or Twenty Persons, or thereabouts; when there doth resort to the House of the said
Lady Jones threescore or thereabouts; all which do pass
and repass through the said Church-yard of Dingestow,
at the Time of Divine Service.
27. Mr. Charles Morgan, upon his Oath, deposeth,
That Mr. Williams, a reputed Popish Priest, frequenteth
a House called Lantrothy.
28. Mr. Arnold says, That he hath seen Hundreds
of Papists meet on the Top of a high Hill, called, St.
Michaell's Mount, where is frequent Meetings, Eight or
Ten times in the Year, as he is informed, Mass said,
and sometimes Sermons preached there.
29. John Scudamore, of Kentchurch in the County of
Hereford Esquire, saith, That he hath seen very great
Numbers of People at their Devotion, on the Top of a
high Hill in Monmothshire, called St. Michaell's Mount,
where there is a ruinous Chapel, and a Stone with Crosses
upon it, which he took to be an Altar: And he hath seen
People with Beads in their Hands, kneeling, toward the
said Stone, both within and without the said Chapel: And
he hath been informed they do constantly assemble there
at several times of the Year: And he hath seen them there
several times himself: And he hath been informed, that
Mass is often said there: And some Papists have affirmed
in his Presence, that they have heard as good Sermons
preached there, as ever they heard in their Lives.
30. Mr. Arnold saith, That he knoweth, that Combe
House in Herefordshire, and several Lands belonging to
it, of a considerable Value, is commonly reputed to be
a Convent of Jesuits: And he hath heard some of the
Papists themselves call it the College of the Combe:
And he hath been informed, that there are commonly
Five or Six Jesuits residing there: And there is a publick
Chapel; and Mass constantly said therein.
31. Mr. Scudamore says, That at a House called the
Combe, in the County of Hereford, several Priests are
maintained and kept there: And that it is commonly
reported, that it is a House or College for that Purpose.
32. William James of Langatuck, in the County of
Monmoth, upon his Oath, deposeth, That he hath heard
several of the Popish Priests say, That, if they could not
live in those Parts, they would repair to the Combe in
Herefordshire: And believes the said Combe to be a
Convent; and that the Lands thereunto belonging belong
to the Priests; and that they do keep, or lately did keep,
33. Mr. Charles Morgan, upon his Oath, deposeth,
That Combe House in the County of Hereford, near the
Dwelling House of Harry Milburne Esquire, a Justice of
the Peace, is reputed to be a Popish Convent, where several
Popish reputed Priests did lately inhabit; viz. Mr. James,
Mr. Humfreys, Mr. Draycott, and Mr. Harries.
Three worthy Members of this House, living in and
near Herefordshire, informed the Committee, That
Combe House aforesaid, and the Lands thereunto be Danger from Popery.
longing, is commonly reputed to belong to the Popish
The Second Head.
The Names of Justices of Peace and others, that are
Papists or suspected Papists; and their Proceedings in
favour of Popish Priests and Popish Recusants.
1. Mr. Arnold saith, That he knoweth Sir Edward
Morgan, of Llantarnan in the County of Monmouth,
Baronet; That he hath seen in his House of Llantarnan
a Popish Chapel, with Altar and Ornaments therein for
the Celebration of Mass; wherein Mass is said, as he
hath been informed by such as have been present thereat:
That he hath heard the said Sir Edward Morgan affirm
himself to be a Roman Catholick: That he is yet continued in the Commission of Peace, and is reputed to be
a Deputy Lieutenant.
2. Mr. Arnold says, That, about Ten Years since, he
knew William Jones of Llanarth, Esquire; that he was
a Justice of the Peace, and Deputy Lieutenant of Monmouthshire; hath been informed by a worthy Member of
this House, that before and at the time of his Death he
was a Papist: He hath heard some Papists brag, that he
died a Papist; and that his Son is now bred in a College
of Jesuits in France, or elsewhere in Foreign Parts: He
says, That he hath been informed, by the Minister and
others, that most of that Parish are Papists: He says, That
though several Warrants have issued from the Justices,
to have Accounts of Defaults for not coming to Church;
no Returns could be had for these Two Years last past,
the Churchwardens and Constables being Papists.
3. Mr. Thomas Watkins, Vicar of the Parish of Llanarth, upon his Oath, says, That there are above Fourscore reputed Popish Recusants within his Parish, besides
Children and Servants; Three reputed Popish Priests
residing and officiating there, to wit, one Syliard, who
was lately Tutor to Mr. Jones' Two Sons, who are now
beyond Seas, as he verily believes; one Walter Harries,
residing at Mr. Milborne's House at Clitha, a Hamlet
of Lanarth; and one Andrews, at Bettus.
4. Mr. Charles Morgan, upon his Oath, deposeth,
That Mr. Syliard, a reputed Popish Priest, lives with
Mrs. Jones of Lanarth, Widow to Mr. William Jones
of Lanarth, who was a Justice of Peace.
5. Mr. John Greenhaugh, Vicar of Abergaveny and
Llantilio Bartholy in the County of Monmouth, upon his
Oath, deposeth, That there is, or hath of late been, one
Mr. Evans, a reputed Popish Priest, entertained at the
House of Charles Proger Esquire, in the said Parish of
Llandilio, who is a Justice of Peace; That he hath seen
great Numbers of Men and Women resort thither to
Mass, as he conceives.
6. Mr. Arnold says, That he hath been informed, that
Mass was very lately and publickly said at Llantrothy, a
House belonging to Rowland Prichard Esquire, now a
Justice of Peace of Monmouthshire; where one Thomas
Elliott a Popish Priest, formerly committed to Hereford
Gaol as such, doth officiate: That he informed the said
Mr. Prichard of it; and that it was dangerous to him,
and scandalous to Religion, for him to suffer it: The said
Mr. Prichard answered, That he had Ten Pounds Rent
extraordinary for it; and That would do him more Good
than the Scandal could hurt him: That Mr. Prichard
is Nephew to Mr. Harry Milborne.
7. Mr. Charles Morgan, upon his Oath, deposeth,
That he hath credibly heard, that Rowland Prichards
Esquire hath Ten Pounds per Annum more, for his
House at Llantrothy, for suffering one Mr. Williams, a
reputed Popish Priest, to be there sometimes.
8. Mr. Arnold says, That he knows Harry Milborne
Esquire to be a Justice of Peace in Four Counties, whereof
Monmouthshire is one: And that he, the said Milborne,
ever since he came into the Commission of the Peace for
Monmouthshire, hath kept Papists for his Clerks, who
received and kept all Presentments: One of them, called
Bowyer, was indicted for treasonable Words at Hereford
Assizes, of which the Herefordshire Members can give a
more perfect Account; the other, named Peter Roberts,
a Papist Convict: The said Mr. Arnold says, and Henry
Probert Esquire, upon his Oath, deposeth, That they
both, as Justices of the Peace of the County of Monmouth,
on the Seventeenth Day of April 1677, did often tender
the Oaths of Allegiance and Supremacy to the said Peter
Roberts; which the said Roberts, with Contempt, did refuse
to take: That they both required the said Mr. Milborne,
being then present, to join with them in the Tender of
the said Oath, and in committing the said Roberts:
Which he refused: Whereupon the said Mr. Arnold and
Mr. Probert did, by Warrant and Mittimus, commit the
said Roberts to one Hugh Powell, one of the chief Constables for the Hundred of Skenfrith; to convey him to his
Majesty's Gaol: Whereupon the said Harry Milbourne
did lay violent Hands on the chief Constable; and pushed
him away, whilst the said Roberts made his Escape; and
bid the said Roberts be gone: Which he did accordingly; and though he was pursued, yet did escape.
The said Mr. Arnold further says, That he hath often
heard the said Mr. Milborne, at Privy Sessions, both discourage Constables from presenting of Popish Recusants,
and also declare, That it was contrary to Law to present
them at a Privy Sessions: And that the Law of 1° Elizabeth
was not intended against Papists. He also knoweth, That
the said Mr. Milborne, at the End of last Easter or
Midsummer Sessions, did procure an Order, that neither
the said Henry Probert, nor himself, should act as Justices
in the Hundred of Skenfrith, though no Justice lived in
the said Hundred, and they live both near to it: And
that the said Mr. Milborne obtained another Order of the
Quarter Sessions, to vacate That they had done at a
Privy Sessions, where they had convicted above Two
hundred Papists; the Copies of which Orders were
denied him by the Clerk of the Peace and his Clerks:
And he verily believes, that the Reason of making both
their Orders was, because the said Mr. Probert, and
himself, did their Duty faithfully, and did put the Laws
in Execution against the Papists.
9. Mr. Arnold says, That he knoweth, and Mr. Charles
Morgan by his Oath deposeth, That most of the said
Harry Milbourne's Family and Household, are Papists.
10. And Mr. Arnold says, That he was present when
one Mr. Roger Seys did demand of Mr. Milborne a
Warrant, to apprehend one Walter Price, whom the said
Mr. Seys offered to prove to be a Popish Priest, kept
in the House of Mrs. Catherine and Mrs. Christian
Milburne, Sisters to the said Mr. Milburne: Which
the said Mr. Milburne not only refused to grant, but
threatened the said Mr. Seys for demanding the same.
And lastly he saith, That he hath been credibly informed, that Mr. Milburne is a Trustee of many of the
Papists in Hereford and Monmouthshires.
11. Henry Probert Esquire, upon his Oath, saith,
That Mr. Arnold, with himself and others, kept a Privy
Sessions in Llantillio Gresseny, in the County of Monmouth, where the Constables presented a great Number
of Popish Recusants; but at the next Quarter Sessions
there was an Order made, vacating all that was done at
the said Privy Sessions; though very little or nothing
was done there, but about the Presentment of Papists:
And further, That he doth in his Conscience believe,
that the said Mr. Milburne was the main Agent and
Instrument of making and obtaining the said Order.
12. John Scudamore Esquire, Justice of the Peace of
Herefordshire, says, That, having desired one Mr. Harry
Milburne, a Justice of Peace of that County, to join
with him in issuing out Warrants to levy Twelve-pence
a Sunday on Popish Recusants, he always refused so to
do; affirming that the Statute of 1° Elizabeth was never
intended against Papists.
That he hath been credibly informed, That the greatest
Part of the Family and Houshold of the said Mr. Milburne, and great Part of the Parish within which he lives,
are Papists: That he hath known Two of Mr. Milburne's
Clerks, who received and kept all Returns and Presentments, and were both declared Papists, the Name of
one being John Bowyer, who was tried at Hereford for
treasonable Words; the Name of the other Peter
Roberts, who is or was lately his Clerk.
13. Mr. Roger Seys and Mr. Lewis Price, upon their
Oaths, severally depose, That they were present when
John Arnold and Henry Probert Esquires, did commit
Peter Roberts, Clerk to Mr. Milburne; for refusing to
take the Oaths of Supremacy and Allegiance: And that
the said Mr. Milburne rescued the said Roberts out of
the Hands of the chief Constable; who thereupon made
The said Mr. Seys farther deposeth, That he, being
Churchwarden, did on the Seventeenth Day of April,
1677, demand a Warrant from Mr. Milburne, against
Walter Harryes, alias Price, a Popish Priest, who liveth
with Mrs. Christian and Catherine Milburne, Sisters to
the said Milburne: Which Warrant Mr. Milburne refused to grant; but threatened him with opprobrious
Words, telling him, that he was a busy troublesome
Man, and that he would be upon his Skirts.
14. Lambert Miles, upon his Oath, saith, That about
the Year 1675 or 1676, being Petty Constable of Llantillio Gresseney, he went to Mr. Milburne a Justice of
Peace, with his Presentment, to be approved of and
subscribed by the said Mr. Milburne; wherein several
Popish Recusants were presented for not coming to
Church: That the said Mr. Milburne struck out, or
caused to be struck out, several of their Names; and the
Oath, that it was a true Presentment, was omitted; he
the said Miles refusing to take it, unless the Names of
the said Popish Recusants, struck out, as aforesaid, by
Mr. Milburne, or his Order, were inserted therein: That
thereupon the said Lambert Miles never presented those
struck out any more, nor swore to any Presentment after,
though he continued Petty Constable Two Years.
15. Mr. Arnold saith, That he hath had it proved by
Oath before him, that Mr. Isaack Williams, who is
Coroner for Part of the County of Monmouth, hath his
Children christened by a Popish Priest: And that his
Wife is a violent Papist: And hath heard credibly, that
Mass is very often said in his House; and that very
frequent Meetings of Romish Priests, and others of that
Religion, are held there.
16. Mr. Roger Seys, upon his Oath, deposeth, That,
he being Churchwarden, Isaack Williams, one of the
Coroners of the County of Monmouth, did check him
for putting the Statute in Execution against Popish
Recusants for not coming to Church; and told him, that
it was pity to prosecute them, for they were honest
People: And, by way of Discourse, did hold many Arguments with him, in Vindication of the Romish Religion.
17. Mr. John Greenhaugh, Vicar of Abergaveny, upon
his Oath saith, That Mary the Wife of Mr. Lewis Jones,
was the only Person in that Town severely prosecuted
for a Roman Catholick, though there were many convict
Papists of greater Ability in the said Town: And that
it was done after her Conformity and Reconciliation to
the Church of England: And that her Husband told
him, that he had paid to the Under Sheriff Nine Pounds
Ten Shillings, notwithstanding his Certificate, under his
Hand and Seal, of her Conformity.
18. Mr. Scudamore says, That about Five Years since,
he apprehended one Mr. Elliott, a Popish Priest, habited
in his Cope and other Vests, in the Act of the Celebration
of Mass in a Chapel in Herefordshire; wherein he
observed an Altar, lighted Tapers, and several Images:
He asked the said Elliott, how he durst say Mass so
publickly, there being at Mass above Thirty Persons, being
there was a Proclamation to the contrary: Mr. Elliott
answered, That he knew of no Proclamation; but demanded by what Authority he took him, telling him that
he should have no Thanks for apprehending him. Mr.
Scudamore saith, That he thereupon committed Elliot to
the County Gaol; and the next Assizes caused a Bill to
be presented against him, which was found: But before his
Trial he was taken out of the Gaol, and, as the Under Sheriff
informed him, he was moved to the Tower of London.
19. It appeareth to the Committee by the Original
Records and Papers produced before them, That the said
John Scudamore did by his Mittimus, dated the Seventeenth of September 1671, commit the said Elliott, as a
Popish Priest, to the County Goal of Hereford, until he
should be thence delivered by due Course of Law: That
by Warrant, countersigned by Mr. Secretary Trevor, dated
the Twenty-fourth of January following, directed to
Marshal Briggs Esquire, High Sheriff of the County of
Hereford, the said Elliott was brought up to London; in
order to his Delivery over to the Lieutenant of the Tower:
That, by Warrant, countersigned by Mr. Secretary Trevor,
dated the Fifteenth of February following, directed to the
Lieutenant of the Tower, the said Elliott was committed
to the Tower until further Order: And accordingly he
the said Mr. Elliott was delivered by the High Sheriff of
Hereford into the Lieutenant of the Tower's Custody.
That, by Warrant, countersigned by Mr. Secretary Trevor,
dated the Fourth of March following, the Lieutenant of
the Tower was commanded to enlarge and set at Liberty
the said William Elliott, first taking Security from him
to transport himself out of the Realm into some Parts
beyond the Seas, within Ten Days next after such
Enlargement; and not to return into any of his Majesty's
Dominions, without Leave first obtained: That accordingly
the said Lieutenant took a Bond, in his Majesty's Name,
from the said Elliott, with Two Sureties in the Sum of
Five hundred Pounds; and thereupon set the said Elliott
at Liberty: That at the next Assizes and General Gaol
Delivery for the County of Hereford, the Twenty-fourth
of March following, the said William Elliott was indicted
for being a Seminary Priest; which Indictment was found
by the Grand Jury; and to which Indictment John
Marriott, John Cole, and Arthur Lister, were Witnesses:
Who, by their Informations, taken upon Oath, and produced to the Committee by the Clerk of Assize, do
severally depose the Apprehending of the said Elliott
in the Act of Celebration of Mass, as Mr. Scudamore
hath set forth in his Examination aforesaid.
The said Mr. Elliott, by his Examination and Confession, produced to the Committee by the Clerk of Assize,
and taken before Sir Edward Harley, John Scudamore,
and William Gregory Esquires, Justices of the Peace for
the County of Hereford, says, That he was apprehended
when he was a this private Devotion; but confessed, that
there were then in the same Room with him at Devotion
about Six-and-Twenty Persons: That he was habited in
a Surplice, with a Vestment over it. And, being examined,
whether he was a Priest, or in Orders from the Church
of Rome, he refused to answer thereunto; but said, "Let
it be proved against me; I will not accuse myself."
20. It appeareth to the Committee, by the Information
of Mr. Joseph Newton, Clerk of the Peace of Northumberland, That William Fenwick Esquire is lately put into
the Commission of the Peace for that County: That he,
being one of the Commissioners in the Dedimus, did offer
to swear the said Mr. Fenwick: But the said Mr. Fenwick refused, and told the said Clerk of the Peace
several times, That he would not take his Oath as
Justice of Peace.
The said Clerk of the Peace further informed the
Committee, That he was employed by Mr. Neale, and
others of that County, to procure them to be put into
the Commission of the Peace: That, to effect it, he applied to the Lord Chancellor's Servants: Who answered,
That if those he solicited for were Papists, or suspected
to be such, that it could not be done: Whereupon he
desisted in his Solicitation.
21. The Knights for the County of Northumberland
informed the Committee, That, hearing that Mr. Fenwick
was designed to be put into the Commission of the Peace,
they both attended the Duke of Newcastle, who is Custos
of that County; and afterwards attended the Lord Chancellor; and informed both their Lordships, severally, That
Mr. Fenwick was unfit to be put into the Commission, for
that he was a suspected Papist, and would not act as a
Justice of the Peace, if he were put in; That his Wife
died a professed Papist; That his Children were brought
up in the Romish Religion: And therefore they did desire
both their Lordships, severally, That Mr. Fenwick should
not be put into the Commission of the Peace: That they
likewise did desire their Lordships, severally, that William
Carnaby Esquire might be put into the Commission of
the Peace; representing him to be a Gentleman of Estate,
Quality, and Loyalty in the County, professing the
Protestant Religion, and every way qualified for that
Employment: But notwithstanding their Applications
and Recommendation, Mr. Carnaby was refused to be
put into the Commission; and Mr. Fenwick was put into
the Commission, though they both informed their Lordships, severally, that Mr. Fenwick was formerly left out of
the Commission of the Peace because he was a Papist,
or a suspected Papist.
The Third Head.
The Proceedings in the Exchequer against Recusants.
Fines imposed on Recusants.
IT appeareth to the Committee, that the Lord Treasurer, the Twenty-fifth of February 1674, issued his
Warrant to the Treasurer's Remembrancer to issue
Commissions against Recusants, into all Counties from
whence any had been estreated; which were delivered
to the Judges to be recommended by them to the several
Commissioners in the several Counties of their Circuits:
That the like Warrant was issued the Two-andtwentieth of July 1675, with Commissioners Names, and
Instructions to them, to take and seize Two Third Parts
of all the Lands of Recusants; declaring his Majesty's
Pleasure to refuse the Twenty Pounds a Month, imposed on Recusants for not coming to Church. and to
accept of Two Third Parts of the Lands of Recusants;
directing the Returns to be made with all speed; and
Writs of Attendance and Assistance to the several
Sheriffs, Mayors, and Officers, to attend the Commissioners in the Execution of the Commissions: That, as
Estreats out of other Countries came in, the like
Warrants issued: And those Commissions were, by
Messengers of the Exchequer, delivered to the Clerks
of the Peace of the several Counties; with a Letter from
the Lord Treasurer, recommending the Execution of
the said Commissions.
That the Lord Treasurer afterwards, by Advice of his
Majesty's Counsel at Law, the Approbation of the
Chancellor, Chief Baron, Barons of the Exchequer, and
of Sir Charles Harbord, his Majesty's Surveyor General,
altered the former Course; and issued his Warrant the
14th of March 1676; thereby directing Writs to be
issued to the several Sheriffs, to seize Two Third Parts,
as before, of the Estates of Recusants.
The 4th of July 1677, the like Warrants issued, for
Writs to be made out, as well against all Recusants
formerly, as then estreated; returnable in Michaelmas
It appeared to the Committee, That no Convictions are
estreated out of some Counties, as Chester, Northampton,
Oxford, Rutland, nor any out of Wales: That in other
Counties there are no Executions done, either upon the
Commissions or Writs, as Derby, the City of Yorke,
Hertford, Leicester, Nottingham, Norfolk, and Northumberland.
The Sheriff of Hereford stands charged with the Sum
412l. 7s. 10d. Halfpeny Half-farthing, for the Lands
of several Recusants, for One Year and a Half, ended
at Michaelmas 1677. But the Sheriff hath not finished
his Accounts: So that it did not appear to the Committee,
that any Sum has been levied out of the Recusants
Estates in that County.
It appeared to the Committee, That Rowland Prichard
Esquire, Sheriff of the County of Monmouth, stood
charged for the Year ending at Michaelmas 1677, with
Nine Seizures of the Estates of Recusants; which
amounted to 40l. That five of the Nine were levied, which
amounted to 4l. 13s. 4d.
That, upon his Petition, because illeviable, he was
discharged of the other Four, amounting to 35l. 6s. 8d.
So that the Sum that was answered into the Exchequer
for that Year, out of Recusants Estates in that County,
was 4l. 13s. 4d.
It appeared then to the Committee, That the Persons
upon whom the Five Seizures were executed, were
Protestant Dissenters, and not Popish Recusants; and
that the Four others, whereof the Sheriff was discharged,
were Popish Recusants.
The Sum wherewith the Sheriff of Monmouthshire stands
charged for the Year ending at Michaelmas 1677, being
for Two-and-twenty Seizures, amounts to 61l. 17s. 9d.
Farthing Half-farthing: But the Sheriff not having
finished his Accounts, it could not appear to the Committee what would be answered into the Exchequer.
It appeared to the Committee, That the Sheriffs of
London and Middlesex, for the Year ending at Michaelmas
1675, stands charged for the Lands of Recusants with
the Sum of 100l. 3s. 4d. of which there is answered
into the Exchequer 3s. 4d. for the Lands of John Coffin
Recusant: The rest are all discharged by Plea and
Judgment of Court.
The same Sheriff stands charged, for the Year 1676,
for the Lands of Recusants, with the Sum of 566l. 3s. 4d.
of which there is only answered into the Exchequer the
Sum of 3s. 4d. for the Lands of John Coffin, Recusant;
the rest being all discharged by Plea and Judgment.
The same Sheriffs stand charged, for the Year 1677,
with the Sum of 488l. 3s. 4d. But their Accounts
are not finished: So that it could not appear to the
Committee how much would be answered into the
It appeared to the Committee, That the yearly Revenue out of Recusants Estates in England and Wales,
paid into the Exchequer for the Year 1675, amounted
to 78l. 5s. 6d. For the Year 1676, it amounted to
535l. 5s. 10½d.
That the present yearly Revenue out of Recusants
Estates, now in Charge before the Clerk of the Pipe,
is Three thousand Four hundred and Eight Pounds,
One-and-Twenty Pence Half-Farthing: But how much
thereof will be answered into the Exchequer, could
not appear to the Committee; the Sheriffs for this Year
being not yet opposed upon their Accounts.
Turning Magistrates out of the Commission.
Ordered, That Sir John Trevor Chairman of the
Committee, Sir Trevor Williams Knight of the Shire
for the County of Monmouth, Sir John Fenwicke, and
Sir Ralph Delavall Knights of the Shire for the County
of Northumberland, Sir Tho. Meres, Sir Thomas Clargis,
and Colonel Birch, or any Three or more of them, do
attend the Lord Chancellor; and desire to know of his
Lordship, by what Means, or upon whose Motion, Mr.
Henry Probart and Mr. John Arnold are turned out of
the Commission of the Peace for the County of Monmouth: And do likewise acquaint his Lordship with the
Information the House has received concerning Mr.
Henry Milburne and Mr. Fenwick.
Committee on Danger from Popery.
Ordered, That the Committee appointed to draw up
Reasons to be offered at a Conference, to be had with the
Lords concerning the Danger the Nation is in by the
Growth of Popery; and for providing Remedies to
prevent the same, be revived; and do sit To-morrow, at
Two of the Clock in the Afternoon, in the Place formerly
appointed: And that the said Committee have Power to
consider what Prosecution is fit to be made against the
Persons mentioned in the Report this Day; and to examine
all Matters concerning the Growth of Popery; and report
the same, with their Opinions therein, to the House, &c.
And that Sir Rich. Corbet, Sir Rich. Franklin, Mr.
Clerke, Mr. Thynne, Mr. Gray, Lord Castleton, Sir
Jonathan Trelawny, Sir William Lowther, Sir Wm.
Wentworth, Serj. Seis, Mr. Garraway, Sir Wm. Blacket,
Mr. Herbert, Sir Ed. Harley, Mr. Man, Sir Wm. Frankland, Mr. Wright, Sir John Hotham, Mr. St. John, Sir
Nich. Carey, Sir Cha. Wheeler, Sir Hen. Ford, Mr.
Collingwood, Sir Wm. Hickman, and all that serve for
the Counties of Hereford and Monmouth, be added to
the said Committee: And all that come are to have Voices.
Reasons to be offered at Conference on Danger from Popery.
Sir John Trevor further reports from the Committee
appointed to draw up Reasons, to be offered at a Conference to be had with the Lords, concerning the Danger the
Nation is in by the Growth of Popery; and for providing
of Remedies to prevent the same; several Reasons agreed
by the Committee: Which he read in his Place; and afterwards delivered the same in at the Clerk's Table: Where
the same were read by the Clerk: And all the Reasons,
except the last, being read a Second time, were, upon the
Question, severally agreed.
The last of the said Reasons being read a Second time;
The Question being put, To agree with the Committee
in the said Reason;
The House divide.
The Noes go forth.
||for the Yeas,
|Sir Hen. Ford,
||Sir Rich. Temple,
||for the Noes,
|Sir John Hanmer,
And so it was resolved in the Affirmative.
Which Reasons are as followeth; viz.
Reasons to be offered at a Conference to be had with
the Lords, concerning the Danger the Nation is in
by the Growth of Popery.
THE House of Commons, taking into serious Consideration the Dangers arising to this Kingdom, from the
restless Endeavours of Priests and Jesuits, and other
Popish Recusants, to subvert the true Religion planted
amongst us, and to reduce us again under the Bondage
of the Romish Superstition and Idolatry: And finding how
great Boldness they have assumed to themselves from the
great Remissness and Connivency of his Majesty's Officers
and Ministers of Justice, both Civil and Ecclesiastical;
whereby so many good and necessary Laws heretofore
made against them, have not of late Times been put in
any effectual Execution: They do therefore think it requisite to apply some Remedy to this growing Evil, especially at this Time, wherein the Unity of Affections, and
the mutual Confidence, between his Majesty and his People does so much conduce to the Preservation of the
whole Kingdom: And because they have found by Experience, that all those Applications they have formerly
made upon this Subject have not produced any Effects
answerable to their Expectations; they have endeavoured
to discover the Causes and Grounds thereof; which they
conceive are principally these.
The Difficulty to convict Popish Priests, by proving
their Ordination by Authority derived from the See of
Rome, makes them more confident to appear in Publick,
and perform their Offices and Functions without Fear of
That Justices of Peace are discouraged, because several
of those that have been forward in executing the Laws
against Papists, in such Counties where they do most
abound, have been turned out of Commission, without
any apparent Cause; whilst others, suspected to be
Popishly inclined, have been continued in Commission,
or put in de novo.
That, in several Counties, many Protestant Dissenters
have been indicted, under the Notion of Popish Recusants; and the Penalties of the Law levied upon such
Protestant Dissenters; when the Papists there have been
either totally, or for the most part, discharged.
That the Papists do evade the Penalties of the Law,
by making over their Estates by secret Trusts, and fraudulent Conveyances; and receive the Profits of them to
their own Use and Benefit.
Whereas in former Times considerable Sums of Money
were raised by the Forfeitures of Popish Recusants, That
now, by the Remissness of some, and Discouragement of
others of his Majesty's Officers and Ministers of Justice,
little or nothing is levied upon them, or likely to be
levied hereafter, unless the Care thereof be committed to
particular Commissioners in the several Counties; and the
Money arising thence applied to some publick Use, for
the Advancement of the Protestant Religion; which may
encourage Persons to see it executed.
That Persons are not discouraged to breed up their
Children, or to suffer them to be bred up in the Popish
Religion; because they are as capable of inheriting the
Estates of their Parents and Relations, as any other of his
Majesty's Protestant Subjects.
The Commons do therefore most earnestly desire your
Lordships to consider of the Dangers and sad Consequences that may befal this Kingdom, by the Spreading of that
Religion amongst us; and seriously and cordially to join
with them, in removing these and all other Impediments
which obstruct the Course of Justice, and the due Execution of the Laws, either by expediting those Remedies
which have been offered by them to your Lordships, or
by proposing such other as may be more effectual: And
that this may be done with all Expedition; because the
Commons cannot think it suitable to their Trust, to consent to lay any further Charge upon the People, how
urgent soever the Occasions be that require it, till their
Minds be satisfied that all Care and Diligence is used to
secure the Kingdom, and prevent the Dangers that may
arise from the Prevalency and Countenance that is given
to That Party, by some more effectual Course than hath
been already provided.
Resolved, &c. That Sir John Trevor do go up to the
Lords, to desire a Conference with their Lordships, concerning the Danger the Nation is in by the Growth of
Popery; and for providing Remedies to prevent the same.
Leagues and Treaties.
Mr. Secretary Williamson acquaints the House, That
the Persons appointed to attend his Majesty had accordingly waited upon him: And that his Majesty was
pleased to give Leave, that the Particulars hereafter
should be communicated to the House; viz.
1. The Offensive and Defensive Treaty.
2. Secret Article concerning Friburgh.
3. Secret Article concerning Loraine.
4. Declaratory Article as to all Places of the Empire
5. Declaratory Article as to Limboug, Binch, &c.
6. Dutch Powers to conclude the Defensive Treaty.
The Secret Articles.
The States Power to the Ambassador to conclude it.
Resolved, &c. That the Debate touching the Leagues
and Treaties be adjourned till To-morrow Morning, Ten
of the Clock.
Proposals of Peace.
Ordered, That the Members of this House that are of
his Majesty's Privy Council do attend his Majesty, and
humbly desire of his Majesty, that the original Proposals
of Peace, Dispatch, and Instructions sent over into France
by the Lord Feversham, and the Answer of the French
King, may be communicated to the House.
Call of the House.
Ordered, That the Call of the House be adjourned till
And then the House adjourned till To-morrow
Morning, Ten of the Clock.