House of Commons Journal Volume 1: 30 May 1614

Lunae, 30o Maii

King's Answer to Message.

Mr. Speaker reporteth His Majesty's Answer to the Answer to the Message sent Yesterday. - The King Dictates - That God hath taught him to speak. - His Majesty well pleased that the House desirous to clear themselves from the Imputation: Would not meddle with the Words; left that -

Remembered us, that other Matters remained, more necessary to be done. Advised that Care in our Proceedings, that might avoid such Scandals. -

Good Antiquaries, nimble Lawyers, in searching out Precedents. - Thought this might be done. - That, if he should look into Precedents, what Things Kings had done, and might do. -

Advised us (since called hither by him) to do Things materially; viz. such as he had called us together for - Formally to do it with Gravity. - Wished -

Liked well the preferring of this Business. -

That he was full of the Word " Forbearance;" could not in his Judgment, put a Difference between that, and Cessation; yet truly informed, that the Word was so. -

Admonished, not to be so young in our Judgments, as to do nothing, except we had One Thing. -

The Sun now at Height. - That this admonished us to take into our Consideration the great and important Businesses of King and Kingdom.

Misinforming the King.

Sir Roger Owen reporteth the second Part of the Order concerning misinforming the King. - That the Order extendeth only to Misinformations past; where many desire a Course to be taken for the future.

King's Letter, &c.

Mr. Glanvyle and Mr. Alford move, because the answering of the King's Letter agreeth not with the Order of Forbearance of all Business, save about the Bishop of Lincolne, till an Answer received of that from the Lords, that the Reason hereof may be expressed.

Committee of Privileges.

And Mr. Alford moveth, that the Committee of Privileges may weekly peruse the Clerk's Book, every Saturday in the Afternoon; to consider, and allow of, the Orders entered by the Clerk.

Message from Lords.

Mr. Dr. Amy and Mr. Dr. . . bring a Message from the Lords, in Answer of the Message sent up to them by Sir Edw. Hobby ; which Message Dr. Amy read out of a Paper; and, being demanded it, left it with Mr. Speaker.

- That their Lordships would take it very tenderly -

Privilege - Reflections on the House.

Sir Edw. Hobby: - Honesty sometime held an Error,Virtus scelus quandoque vocatur; viz. when it is unseasonable. -

That Yesterday singled out by this unfortunate Bishop. - Out of the Bitterness of his Spirit -

That the Bishop, by deep Protestations, affirmed, he never used the Words he was charged with: Confessed, he used the Words of Noli me tangere; but spake it only -

That he never used the Words, " at the Branch or Root of the Prerogative." -

That he used no Word. " that the Commons would use any undutiful or seditious Words," but, " that he thought not fit to confer, for, fear" -

That though he knew -

Sir Wm. Cope: - That the Bishop's private Speeches to Sir Edw. Hobby altereth him nothing. - Moveth, if the Lords will not right us in this, we may take this Course. Doubteth, popish-affected Persons hindered the Calling of the Parliament; and have, ever sithence, thrown in Bones amongst us, and kept us in Broils. -

Moveth, we may enter into the great Businesses.

Sir James Perrott: - That it must needs be known to the Lords, whether he spake the Words whereof accused, or no. If they clear him -

Mr. Duncombe moveth, other Business may proceed; and another Committee to consider of a Course to right ourselves.

Sir Tho. Rowe moveth a Message to the Lords, and a Committee to prepare it. - The Message, to clear or excuse him for this Matter in Fact.

Sir Symeon Steward moveth, to address ourselves to the King; and a Committee to consider of the Course for it.

Sir Ro. Phillippes: - To have a Committee.

Mr. Fuller and Mr. Alford : - To have a Committee to consider of a new Message to the Lords, either to clear him or accuse him.

Mr. Monperson -

Mr. Mallet: - That common Fame, a sufficient Cause of Imprisonment; as 2 H. VII. &c. therefore good Cause of Complaint. That, in the ecclesiastical Law likewise, a good Ground for Examination. - Moveth, a Committing, and Cessation.

Mr. Mervyn,- - against a Cessation. Moveth a Committee.

Sir Roger Owen: - Gemit, ut columba; premit, ut ursa. - That Lords offending less than this, have been sent down here to answer it at this Bar. - A Message to the Lords first: If this speed not, then to go to the King.

Sir Mawr. Berkeley: - That he was ever against any Forbearance, till resolved. - Now to go the c. Business. - To go to the Lords with a Message, to clear or accuse him. -

Mr. Ashley: - A Committee : - No Cessation.

Sir Jerome Horsey, - against this Committee. - Not deceived in his Opinion concerning the Lords. - Never found from them a Readiness to satisfy this House. - Moveth, to go to the King for Relief: - That he may examine the Lords, [and] the Bishop.

Sir Edw. Sands, - against going to the King, for the Reasons he gave before. - That the Lords refusing to right us, they Parties; so as, if affirmed, they want Power. - To send them, for Accusation, the Words in Writing.

Ordered, upon the Question, That a select Committee shall consider of a Message to the Lords. -

Sir Edwyn Sands, Sir Henry Mountague, Sir Mawrice Berkeley, Sir D. Digges, Sir Geor. Moore, Sir Jo. Hollys, Sir Roger Owen, Sir Wm. Tate, Mr. Dunn, Sir Sam. Sands, Sir Wm. Strowde, Sir Edw. Mountague, Sir Tho. Rowe, Sir Henry Nevyll, Sir Tho. Hobby, Sir Rich. Weston, all those which have spoken in the Business,

Sir Jo. Savyle: - This Afternoon in the Court of Wards.

Sir Jer. Horsey: - That he meant, by Moses's Rod, the Bishop only.

Recusants.

The Committee for Recusants, to meet here this Afternoon.

Sutton's Hospital.

Sutton's Hospital, being sine die, to be on Wednesday, in Court of Wards.

Merchant- adventurers.

The Merchant-adventurers, and new Merchants, to be To-morrow in the Afternoon, in this House.

Persons in the Entry.

Ordered, upon the Question, That those which stand now in the Entry -

Hull.

Hull Business to be To-morrow in the Afternoon.

Elections.

Mr. Hackwill, - for the Bill for Elections and Returns, and Ordnance, sine die. - In the Exchequer Chamber, Wednesday, for Ordnance : For Elections, Friday, in the Exchequer Chamber.

Suits.

Saturday next, in the Exchequer Court, Bill for avoiding of Suits.

Baronets.

Friday next, for Baronets, in Court of Wards.

Apparel.

Bill for Apparel, this Afternoon, in the Exchequer Chamber.

Small Debts, &c.

Small Debts ; false Dying ; and false Weights ; - Friday, in the Exchequer Chamber.

Supersedeas.

Supersedeas, &c. - Saturday, Exchequer Court.

Highways, &c.

Highways, and Bridges, - on Friday in the Afternoon, in the Queen's Court.