House of Commons Journal Volume 1: 13 March 1621

Martis, 13o Martii

Horseman.

L. 1a. HORSEMAN.

Hollyman.

L. 1a. Hollyman.

Trials by Battle.

L. 2a. - Battle : - Committed to Mr. Noy, Sir Edw Mountague, Mr. Earle, Sir Peter Fretchwell, Mr. Mallett, Sir H. Spiller, Mr. Sotwell, Mr. Taylor, Sir Christofer Hildyard, Sir Edw. Sands, Mr. Towerson, Sir Myles Sands: Presently, in the Committee Chamber.

Leave of Absence.

Mr. Speaker moveth for Sir H. Hastings, who to give Evidence against divers Felons at the Assises at Leicester: And granted.

And moveth also for Sir Ro. Oxenbridge, in respect of his Sickness: And granted.

Hackney.

L. 2a. - Hackney: - Committed to Sir Tho. Hobby, Sir Jerome Horsey, Sir Edw. Mountague, Sir Geor. Moore, Sir H. Poole, Mr. Taylor, Mr. Weston, Mr. Wentworth, Sir D. Digges, Sir Wm. Pitts, Sir Tho. Wentworth, Mr. Treasurer, Mr. Noye, Sir H. Spiller, Sir H. Mildmay, Mr. Gifford, Mr. Mallett, Sir Tho. Low, Sir Wm. Spencer, Sir Phi. Carye, Sir Nath. Rich: - Saturday, Two of the Clock, Exchequer Chamber.

Informers.

Sir H. Poole reporteth from the Committee for Informers, with the Amendments; which ordered to be ingrossed.

Scarcity of Money, &c.

Sir Edw. Sands reneweth the Motion, concerning the Want of Money: Then agreed, the Matter of Trade should be next. - Moveth, that, at the Exchange, the Merchants may be warned to attend the Committee, in - this Afternoon.

Shervyle.

Mr. Noye moveth for Mr. Shervyle.

Debts.

The Bill for Levying of Debts, - on Thursday, in the former Place.

Laws in Wales.

L. 2a. - 34 H. VIII. - Wales. -

Mr. Glanvyle: - To provide at the Committee, that no former Law made, may be avoided.

Sir Edw. Sands: - That the Parliament 34 H. VIII. reposed great Trust in H. VIII. his Person. - To have a Caution, that there be, in this Act, no Mention, that the Law is, that the Limitation, being to the King, extendeth not to his Heirs or Successors.

Committed to Sir Edw. Sands, Mr. Dr. Gooch, Mr. Solicitor, Mr. Noye, Sir Jo. Walter, the Knights and Burgesses of Cornewayle and Devon, Sir Sam. Sands, Sir H. Poole, Mr. Mallory, Sir H. Withrington, Mr. Glanvyle, Mr. Mallett, Lord Clifford, Sir Francis Seymor, Mr. Drake, Mr. Morgan, Mr. Hopton: - Monday next, Exchequer Court.

Precedents.

Sir Edw. Coke: - To have Warrant to fortify what they said before, by other Precedents. - And Ordered.

- That reported, he devised the Precedent of Bray and Guyn. - That he no Projector, to invent Bray and Guyn. -

Terra incognita. - Some know not, that such a King as Alfred, or Allured; or that any Law made by him, that a Parliament should be Twice a Year holden. - That he hath been abused. - Hopeth, they will give him leave to speak in his own Defence. - Resolved.

Sheriffs. &c. Accounts.

L. 1a. An Act for the Passing of the Accounts of Sheriffs, Escheators, Collectors of Subsidies, Tenths, Fifteenths, and Aids, without Charge or Delay.

King's Tenants.

L. 1a. An Act for the Relief of the King's Tenants,in case of Forfeiture of Rent, &c.

Grants.

Mr. Solicitor offereth a Bill for Confirmation of the Grants made to the late Queen Eliz.

L. 1a. An Act for the Assurance and Establishment of Grants, heretofore made to the late Queen Eliz. by collegiate and ecclesiastical Corporations and Persons.

E. Holdernesse.

L. 2a. - E. Holdernesse: - Committed to Mr. Alford, Mr. Wentworth, Knights and Burgesses of Kent, Sir Geor. Wright, Mr. Shervyle, Sir Tho. Lowe, Sir Tho. Row, Mr. Francis Fane, Mr. Glanvyle, Mr. Brandling, Mr. Fetherston, Mr. Recorder, Mr. Brooke, Mr. Solicitor, Sir Edw. Rodney, Mr. Tho. Fanshaw, Mr. Sotwell, Mr. Raynscrofte, Mr. Amnerst, Sir Wm. Pitt: - Saturday next. Exchequer Chamber.

Bankrupts.

L. 2a. - Bankrupts : - Committed to all the Privy Council, Knights and Burgesses of London and Yorke, Sir Tho. Wentworth, Sir Wm. Spencer, Sir Ro. Crane, Mr. Alford, Sir H. Poole, Mr. Recorder, Mr. Bartlett, Sir Edw. Gyles, Sir Francis Barrington, Mr. Drake, Mr. Keightley, Mr. Farrar, Sir Tho. Finch, Mr. Butler, Mr. Mynn, Sir Edw. Sands, Sir Wm. Strowde, Mr. Crew, Sir Jo. Walter, Mr. Clench, Burgesses of Newcastle, Sir B. Hickes: And every Man, that will come, to have Voice : - Saturday in the Afternoon, in the Exchequer Chamber.

Grievances - Patents, &c.

Sir Edw. Coke reporteth from the Lords. - That Mr. Noye did his Part briefly, effectually, and ad idem.

After Three Patents, and One Privy Signet, delivered in the Lords desired the Capita of Things before delivered, and of any Thing else to be added. - No Warrant for this from the House; but the Lords desired -

That he made his own Defence, and shewed his own Book. -

That our Proceedings applauded by the Prince and Lords. -

That he said, if the Parliament Authority questioned, they had more to shew, than had yet shewed. -

That my Lord of Buck' having Warrant from the House, said, 1. For the King; both passive, and active: Passive; the King's gracious Acceptance of the Proceedings in Parliament; which plain: And that the King loved Plainness. -

The Active : to strike, while the Iron is hot. Sithence the King willing to grant what we will ask; let us leave Formality, and ask real Things. -

That, for his own Part, sithence he had been righted here, he would give all his best Endeavours to further the Good of the King and Kingdom; which could not be severed. That now he knew the Wisdom of Parliaments, he would submit himself, as a Scholar, to it. That Two of his Brothers drawn in Question: Would not defend them, but leave them to the Censure of the Parliament, That he, that begot them, had begot One, would seek for their Punishment.

- Moveth, the Gentlemen, formerly employed, may this Afternoon set down these desired Heads; here produce them in the House To-morrow Morning, and be agreed upon; and to send them to the Lords upon Thursday Morning. - Agreed : And a Message now sent to the Lords accordingly.

Scarcity of Coin.

Master of the Wards reporteth from the Committee for Scarcity of Coin. -

Unequal Balancing of Trade: - East India Company. -

That the Committee resolved, upon Question, that the Importation of Spanish Tobacco is One Cause of the Want of Money; and also resolved, that the next Day should be spent in Treating of free Trade.

Resolved, upon Question in the House, That the Importation of Spanish Tobacco is One Cause of the Want of Money within the Kingdom; without One Negative.

Sir Edw. Sands: - That the King of Spayne hath banished Silk to be imported within these Two Years; yet no Breach of League.

Master of the Wards : - To have a Caution, that our Examination hereof may be to clear it, that it touch not upon the Treaty.

Grievances - Proceedings against Monperson.

Sir Edw. Coke reporteth from the Lords, that they will be ready upon Thursday next, at Nine of the Clock: And the Capita to be sent down this Afternoon, and presented to the House To-morrow Morning.

Thanks to the King.

Mr. Secretary: - That he hath delivered the Thanks of the House to his Majesty, who accepted it most graciously.

King's Message.

Mr. Secretary giveth in, in Writing, the King's Message Which left with the Clerk : And every one, that will, to have Copies.

Wool Trade, &c.

Mr. Solicitor reporteth from the Committee for the Bill for Buying and Selling of Wools, the Bill, with the Amendments:

And also the Bill for Welsh Cottons.

The Committee resolved, the Patent for Broggers unfit; yet, having not heard it, would not condemn it: ; But the Patent for Staplers, being considered of, was resolved to be unlawful. -

Desired, there might be a strict Restraint of Exportation of our Wools, or out of Ireland; and the like to be prayed, out of Scotland ; for that the Exportation of one Todd of Wool from hence maketh them mix Two Todd more beyond Sea: - (And from Exportation of Wool-fells.-

(That Fulling-earth only here; and therefore the Prohibition thereof most necessary; because, without it, they cannot make Cloth beyond Seas. - The Exportation hereof to be strictly prohibited. -

That the Falsifying of Cloths, by putting several Wools, of several Kinds, together, and mixing it with Sand, &c. a great Means to hinder the Sale of Cloth. -

That the false Dying of Cloths another great Cause ; wherein they complain of Logwood, Blockwood, Campecha-wood, &c.

The great Impositions, by pretermitted Customs, and other Impositions; and particularly, of Charge by the Merchants themselves, for Money by them disbursed, to redeem the unhappy Project of Dying and Dressing of Cloths.

Mr. Coucher, - against this Bill for general Buying and Selling of Wool. - For the Clothier, by this Means, may come to buy his Wool at the Third Hand : For worse now, than when the Brogger, or Stapler, bought it. - Moveth, it may be restrained to selling to those, which are to convert it -

The Buying Wool from the Grower, by the Clothier, a great Help to make good Cloths. - Moveth, a Time to be limited for Pre-emption, for the Clothier, from Shear-time, till Michaelmas, for Gloucestershyre, Worcestershyre. -

Against Exportation of Wool, or Fullers Earth.

Sir Edw. Gyles, - for the free Buying of Wools.

Mr. Bateman: - To have this Bill but a Probationer.

Mr. Towerson: - That divers Clothiers desire to be heard concerning Yarn, which now added to this Bill.

Doubteth, the right Causes of the Cheapness of Wool not known.

Mr. Berkley: - That this Bill, as penned, prejudicial, if not fatal, to the Clothier. That, by the Statute 5o Ed. VI. the Clothier hath the sole Power of buying Wools : If this taken away by this Bill; yet to give them Privilege by Pre-emption. -

Maketh a Request of Justice, in Three Heads : 1. A Course to be taken against engrossing Wools; engrossing being forbidden by all Laws. - To have the Words, " otherwise than by forestalling and engrossing," added.

2ly, A Remedy to be provided against Exportation of Wool, in this Bill.

3ly, That the Falsification and Sophistication of Wools may be provided for here; for which a Statute 23 H. VIII. 17, - Moveth, a Re-commitment.

Sir Tho. Row: - That the rich Clothiers only desire Pre-emption; for they will engross: And besides, the rich Clothiers will then cull out the best Wool, and leave the Residue only to the poor Clothiers. - Desireth a Provision against Wetting of Wool. - That the Inserting of the Word "Yarn," a great Prejudice to the Clothier. That the Clothier desire to be heard in it. - That the Spinner doth it with Grease, where should do it with Train Oil. To re-commit it.

Sir Edw. Coke, - for the Re-commitment; yet agreeth, the Repeal of

5 Ed. VI. is only for so much, as con-cerneth the Buying and Selling. - The Statute 5o Ed. VI. at first a Suspect; therefore Liberty, by Proclamation, to undo it: - And is so but in Two more. Cloth Nine Parts of Ten of the Commodity of this Kingdom. -

That the King, by his Proclamation, may also repeal the Restraint of Exportation - That Forestalling and Engrossing may be prohibited ; and an Addition to the Penalty for Exportation, be added, fit for this Time. - Not to have it carried into any other Nation, though not carried beyond Sea. - To prohibit Exportation of Fullers Earth, without which no Cloth can be made -

When he Attorney-general many Informations against Broggers, upon

5 Ed. VI. The poor Clothier petitioned hereupon, who can buy but of the Brogger. Thereupon he commanded to suffer no Informations to proceed against this Law. - Freedom of Trade a great Prejudice to this Commonwealth. - To re-commit it.

Mr. Smyth: - To re-commit this Bill - That divers Clothiers desire to be heard upon New Matter. They not against Buying of Wool. - That the Merchants of London

play upon them. - Desire, the Market in London may be restrained, from Friday and Thursday, to Thursday only; that they may go home, and be at home upon the Sabaoth, and keep it.

Master of the Wards : - To re-commit it: And, with this Bill, to consider of the Wools of Ireland. - That they are almost as good as here, and at half the Price. If no Prohibition of Transportation thence, all in vain.

Mr. Chancellor of the Exchequer: - The Wool-grower well provided for; so the Merchant, and the Engrosser; but no Provision for the Clothier.

Mr. Wandesford: - That the Buyer may be restrained to sell only to the Clothier.

The Bill re-committed to the whole House, on Saturday next. All the Things moved, to be referred to the Committee.