House of Commons Journal Volume 1: 08 March 1624

Lunae, 8o Martii

Women Felons.

L. 2a. AN Act concerning Women convicted of small Felonies.

Upon a first Question, not to be committed.

Upon a second Question, to be ingrossed.

Carriage Purveyance.

L. 2a. An Act concerning the Purveyance and Taking of Horses, Carts, and Carriages, by Land or by Water, for his Majesty's Service. -

Mr. Comptroller : - That it may be committed ; and the King's Officers of the Green-Cloth be called to it.

Mr. Alford: - Doubteth, if those unpaid shall serve no more, till they be paid, this will much overpress the Residue of the Country. -

Committed to Sir G. Gerrard, Sir Wm. Fleetewood, Mr. Comptroller, Mr. Alford, Sir Ge. Moore, Sir Francis Seymor, Sir Francis Barrington : And all, that will come, to have Voice : - Court of Wards, Wednesday next, Two Clock.

Alienations.

Ordered, All, that will come, to have Voice in the Bill for pleading upon Alienations without Licence, except Exchequer-men; because failed on Saturday, for want of Company.

Drunkenness.

Sir Francis Barrington reporteth the Bill against Drunkenness. -

Mr. Snelling: - That One Drunkard may convict as many as he will. -

Upon Question, Engrossetur.

Jeofayles.

L. 2a. An Act for further Reformation of Jeofayles. -

Serjeant Towse: - That this may not extend to Actions already brought. -

Upon Question, Engrossetur.

Abuses in Exchequer.

Resolved, Every one, that will come, to have Voice in the Committee for Examination of the Abuses in the Exchequer, except Exchequer-men.

Alienations.

Four of the Clock this Afternoon, at the Inner Temple Hall, for the Bill in pleading upon Alienation without Licence, &c.

Clerk of the Market.

Mr. Mallory moveth, the Committee of Grievances may take into their Consideration the Abuses of the Clerk of the Market. - Agreed.

Member petitions to vacate his Seat, &c.

A Petition from Sir Tho. Gerrard, read; desiring a new Choice, in respect of his Infirmity of Health.

Mr. Brooke : - Informed by some, he is a Recusant. -

To know first, whether he will take the Oaths, and receive the Communion : If he will not, then to discharge him.

Sir Geor. Moore: - Members, once chosen, not to be discharged, without some very great Cause; as a Disease incurable, &c.

Sir Ro. Phillippes, accordant. - To sift out, whether he be a Recusant, or not. - To have a Day prefixed, to take the Oaths, and the Communion; else to dismiss him, with Punishment.

Mr. Snelling : - That some of the Deputies, for taking the Oaths, may go to him, and tender him the Oaths.

Resolved, Sir Tho. Gerrard to be here To-morrow, by Nine of the Clock, to take the Oaths of Supremacy and Allegiance, and after to receive the Communion. Mr. Serjeant to give him Notice hereof.

Sheriffs Accounts.

L. 2a. Act for Passing of Sheriff's Accounts. Mr. Wyld: This Bill too general in the Point of Fees. - To have these set down more certainly.

Sir Edw. Coke: - Never to make this Bill, " from henceforth," which relateth to the first Day of this Session; " but, from the End of this Session of Parliament:" - And fit, Men should have Notice.

Sir Tho. Belassys: - That they oft trouble Sheriffs, for Matters Twenty Years before, when the Under Sheriffs dead. - To have Seven Years limited. - Moveth, Mr. Dr. Chambers' Patent may be brought in, which is for old Debts, upon Sheriffs Accounts.

Mr. Neale .- - That the Point in the Oath, against Lollards, maybe provided for. -

Committed to the Committee for examining the Abuses in the Exchequer: Wherein all, that will come, to have Voice, except Exchequer-men.

Patent.

Dr. Chambers' Patent to be brought in this Afternoon.

Secret Offices, &c.

L. 2a. An Act against secret Offices, and Inquisitions,to be taken in his Majesty's Behalf, to the Prejudice of his Subjects. -

Mr. Attorney of the Wards: - That the Notice may be set upon the Court of Wards Door, or in Court; and not in Chancery, whence the Writ issueth, where no Man looketh for them.

Mr. Glanvyle: - That this Notice, either on the Door, or County Court, will do more Hurt, in countenancing these secret Inquisitions, than Good, to the Subject. - To have a Means, how to have these secret Inquisitions adjudged void. -

Committed to Sir Edw. Coke, Mr. Glanville, Mr. Attorney Wards, Mr. Recorder, Mr. Carvyle, Mr. Bowyer, Mr. Drake, Mr. Weare, Mr. Taylor, Sir Ewble Thelluall, Mr. Sherfeild, Mr. Wm. Fanshaw, Sir Guy Palmes, Mr. Brooke, Mr. Whitfeild, Mr. Lenthall, Serjeant Digges, Mr. Cage, Mr. Ducke, Sir Pet. Mutton, Mr. Raynscrofte: - Court of Wards, Wednesday, Two Clock.

Answer from the King - Negotiations with Spain.

Mr. Recorder reporteth his Majesty's Answer, to the Committees of both Houses, on Friday in the Afternoon ; where Lord Archbishop of Canterbury, in Name of both Houses, and according to the Paper agreed upon, presented both our humble Advices to his Majesty, that the Treaties could be no longer continued. -

That our Reasons, and Addition allowed here, were neither pressed, nor pursued; his Majesty requiring none, -

His Majesty's Answer was present; and, for avoiding mistaking, was set down by the Committee, on Saturday last in the Afternoon; where their and our Notes being conferred, and particularly my Lord President's, the Duke of Buckingham observed an Omission in a weighty Point. Agreed therefore, Two of the Lords, and Four of our Sub-committee, should presently confer, and agree of the Particulars of the Answer : -

All Kings many Prerogatives above all Subjects : Our King above all Kings in the World, in Excellency of Wisdom and Speech: Where Matter and Words contend for Superiority, and are so woven together, that the Loss of a Word loseth the Sentence. The Power and Life, and Efficacy, of his Words, not to be reported by any. -

The Opinion of the whole Sub-committee, on either Part, that nothing be reported, but in verbis conceptis ; and not to trust Words. - Advised, he should read it first as my Lord President doth, who maketh the Report above.

The Answer first read by Mr. Recorder, and then read by the Clerk.

Sir Jo. Ellyott: - That all Members may take Copies hereof; and a Time to be prefixed, for debating and treating of the Things herein propounded by his Majesty.

Ordered, Any Member of the House may take Copies from the Clerk.

Business deferred.

Mr. Chancellor of the Exchequer: - That the King hath appointed him to deliver that here, which he said my Lord Treasurer should do. - Will do it on Wednesday next.

Resolved, That it shall be then done.

Cloth Trade.

L. 2a. An Act for Continuance of a former Statute, made 4o Jac. intituled, An Act for the true Making of Woollen Cloth : - Committed to Sir Edw. Coke, Sir Jo. Savyle, Sir Tho. Savyle, Sir A. Ingram, Sir Ro. Crane, Mr. Saunders, Sir Tho. Escort, Sir H. Poole, Knights and Burgesses of all Clothing Counties: - Wednesday next. Afternoon, Exchequer Chamber.

Usury.

L. 2a. An Act against Usury. Mr. Whistler : - Doubteth, this will draw much Money out of the Kingdom, the Dutch having much here; and will breed a Garboyle. - To make it but a Probationer at most.

Mr. Corington: - To take a special Care of Brokers, which else will exact extremely. -

Committed to Mr. Comptroller, Sir Guy Palmes, Sir H. Poole, Mr. Mallory, Mr. Alford, Sir Tho. Jermyn, Mr. Coryton, Sir Geor. Manners, Sir Tho. Savyle, Sir Ja. Clifton: And as many, as will come, to have Voice : - Friday next. Star-chamber.