House of Commons Journal Volume 1: 07 July 1625

Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 1, 1547-1629. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.

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'House of Commons Journal Volume 1: 07 July 1625', in Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 1, 1547-1629, (London, 1802) pp. 805-806. British History Online https://www.british-history.ac.uk/commons-jrnl/vol1/pp805-806 [accessed 19 March 2024]

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Jovis, 7o Julii

Tonage and Poundage.

Mr. Solicitor reporteth the Bill of Subsidy of Tonage and Poundage, with some Amendments and Alterations; which twice read. - Engrossetur.

Privilege.

A Subpoena served upon Sir H. Martyn, at the Suit of John Melsam; telling him, he knew he was a Parliament...

Sir H. to have Privilege: A Letter, for Stay of the Suit; and the Serjeant to go for the Party, that served it, to be here this Afternoon.

Mountagew's Book.

Mr. Recorder reporteth from the Committee for Mr. Mountagew. - 1. For the Lord Archbishop's Answer, consisting of an Admonition, and some Opinion : Admonition to Mountagew, what Disturbance his first Book had wrought, both to the Church and Parliament House ; advising him to survey his Book. - That, for his Opinion, my Lord told him, though there were some Things, which might receive a favourable Interpretation, yet some other Things in it were not of that Nature. -

That all the Committee of Opinion, that the Lord of Canterbury had done what was fit, and merited Thanks of this House. -

That all the Committee of Opinion, that many Things in these Books, which directly contrary to the Articles established by Parliament; viz. That the Church of Rome is vera Christi ecclesia, et sponsa Christi; which contrary, as conceived, to the 19th Article: That the Church of Rome eadem fundamento doctrinae et sacramentorum nititur.

But, for these Points of Doctrine, the Committee of Opinion, that, a Conference was to be prayed with the Lords about it -

That the Committee of Opinion, that the second Book against the Honour and Dignity of this House; which the Cause of sending for him. -

That all the Committee held this second Book, a factious and seditious Book, tending manifestly to the Dishonour of our late King, and to the Disturbance of our Church and State.

For the Dishonour to the King ; he, in the Book, intituled ...... saith, Arminius the first, that infected Leyden with the Errors and Schisms -

The Synod of Dort, so honoured by the King, slighted by him. - " Forinsecus, and partial. - Knoweth not, what Ends they had ; nor careth not." -

The Committee conceiveth, the Fire, kindled in the Low Countries by Arminius, like to be kindled here likewise by this Man. -

He directs it to the King, and calls it Appello Caesarem; and yet says, the Pope is nor o Antichristos; which is contrary to that, the King himself had written to all Christian Princes. -

The Articles agreed of in Ireland, and confirmed here, he delivers a Point in terminis terminantibus, contrary to them, about justifying Faith. - The 38th.

2d general Head. - Four Particulars. -

1. The Committee think, there is enough in this Book, to put a Jealousy between the King, and his well-affected Subjects. - Says, there are some, that desire an Anarchy.

- Means it of the Puritans, whom yet he hath not defined. The Committee thought fit, to have it explained. -

He rails at Yates, and Ward, and says, they are Puritans, although they have subscribed. - " Puritans in Heart." - He doth plainly intimate, that there are Puritan Bishops. -

Committee conceived, this much to tend to the Disturbance of the Peace of the State and Church. -

Respecting Bellarmyne, but slighting Caldvyn, Beza, Perkyns, Whitakers, Reynolds, which a great Disturbance of the Peace. -

Much Discountenancing, in his Book, of God's Word. l. Disgracing of Lectures, not Lecturers: - of Preaching itself; yea, even of reading the Bible. - 8th Page: -

" Conventicles after Lectures." - "Chew the Quidd after Lectures." - For preaching; - "Prating, preaching, and lecturing." - " Dictate out of their Pulpits to their popular Auditory," - " Handling, * when Yates and Ward in their Pulpits."

For reading the Bible; saith, " Never a Saint-seeming, Bible-bearing, hypocritical, Puritan, a better Patriot than he." -

4. That the whole Frame of this Book is a great Encouragement of Popery: 1. In maintaining the Papists to be the true Church, and that they differ not from us in any fundamental Point. If therefore they hold us Heretiques, and not to be saved, and we hold the contrary of them ; who will not think it safer for us to be in their Church, than in ours ? The Papists read and commend this Book, and commend it to others to read; where they endure not the Reading or Having of our Books. -

5. That in Two Points he had done Injury to this House: - Knew, this first Book, questioned in this House, presented to the Lord of Canterbury, from whom we expected an Answer, contrary to the Lord Canterbury's Admonition, to print a new Book, worse than the other. 2. Where a Petition preferred by Yates and Ward to this House, so as the House possessed; he, to revile them for this, reflecteth upon the House. -

Page 176. " That the Articles not conceived." -

Mr. Brooke moveth, a Petition from Mr. Mountagew, ready to be delivered, may be read: Which read.

1. Upon Question, Resolved, Thanks to be given my Lord of Canterbury, for his Care in the last Reference to him of Mr. Mountagewe's Book. This to be done by the former Parties, that were sent for, and brought, his Answer.

2. Upon Question, Resolved, That, at our next Meeting, to acquaint the Lords with these Books; and a Conference to be prayed with the Lords, concerning the same.

Resolved, at this Time only to give him a Touch, that, under the Names of Articlers, and Informers, Fates and Ward, he hath stricken this House.

1. Upon the Reference, the last Parliament, from the Lord of Canterbury, and knowing it came from this House, and my Lord having admonished him, in One Year after, never came to my Lord of Canterbury ; but, after One Year, printed this new Book; and presented it then to my Lord of Canterbury.

Sir Edw. Sands: - That this no Contempt to this House : For commending to my Lord of Canterbury, as a Delinquent; and then my Lord of Canterbury should have summoned him. 2ly, His Protestation being, that it was only an Error, and not in Contempt of this House.

Sir Francis Seymor, contra. -

Alehouses, Fleete, &c.

Mr. Attorney General and Serjeant Danport bring, from the Lords, the Bill of Alehouses, with Addition ; and with a Message; That they have received a Petition from the Fleete, where a Restraint of Habeas Corpus, to intreat them to give Order for their Liberty in this dangerous Time : That they desire a Conference presently about it, in the Painted Chamber; their Number being Eight.

Answer to Lords.

The Addition twice read; and, upon Question, refused to be ingrossed; and thirdly read, and passed.

The Messengers being retired, and called in, Mr. Speaker delivereth them this Answer: That we are now in a serious and weighty Business, which they conceive may hold long; but this House will sit this Afternoon, and send Answer by Messengers of our own. -

Punishing Mountagew.

Mr. Chancellor : - To respite the Examination of this Contempt, until the Conference past with the Lords.

Sir H. Martyn, accordant: Lest, intending to punish him, we do him a good Turn.

Sir R. Phillippes: - To make an Order now here for taking Security for his Appearance the next Session; and so to respite it till our next Meeting.

Sir Nath. Rich: - Now to judge the Contempt, and then to respite the Punishment.

Sir Edw. Cooke: - That his traducing Yates and Ward, for petitioning this House, a Contempt, - Vindicta linguae.

Sir D. Digges: - That a Contempt to this House. - To have him called in, and enjoined to appear here the Beginning of the next Session.

Suppressing Mountagew's Book.

Upon Question, Resolved, That the Lord of Canterbury shall be intreated, from the House, to take some such Course, as in his Judgment he shall think fit, for the Suppression of these Books, and preventing the Danger, that may grow by the divulging thereof; being resolved, at their next Meeting, to enter into a particular Examination of such Parts of the said Books, as tend to Sedition, and the general Disturbance of the Peace of Church and Commonwealth, whereof they are already very sensible.

Wines.

The ingrossed Petition, for the Merchants, for the Wines, read, and allowed; and to be delivered by Mr. Treasurer, Chancellor Exchequer and Duchy, and Mr. Solicitor.

Statutes.

L. 3a. An Act for Continuing of divers Statutes. -

Obdormit, by a general Vote.

Duchy of Cornewayle.

Sir Tho. Fanshaw reporteth the Bill for his Majesty's making Leases of the Lands, Parcel of the Duchy of Cornewayle, without Amendments.

L. 3a. An Act to enable the King's Majesty to make Leases of Lands, Parcel of his Highness' Duchy of Cornewayle, or annexed to the same: - Upon Question, passed.

Preaching Benefices, &c.

Upon Question, Ordered, That Information be brought to the House, against our next Meeting, by all the Knights of Shires, and Burgesses in the Shires, where they dwell, of all such Places, where there is no usual Preaching ; and also of all such Benefices, or Stipends of Ministers, as are under the Value of 50 l. per Annum; and of what Value the Impropriations there are.

Monmouth Election.

Sir Geor. More reporteth from the Committee for Privileges, for Monmouthshyre. - That Mr. Wogan, before the Writ for Election, solicited divers for Voices; threatened divers : Others impressed for Soldiers; divers stricken ; others hindered from coming to the Election.

A Petition from Sir J. Perrott, read ; complaining, that the Sheriff, that made the Return, was no Sheriff; for his Commission determined by the Death of the King, and not renewed by the now King.

Continuing the Session.

The Bill for Continuance of the Session, amended at the Board; and then, upon Question, passed.

Monmouth Election.

The Dispute, concerning Sir James Perrott's, Petition, renewed. - No Reason to suffer such Misdemeanors unpunished, if proved true.

Resolved, To leave all this Business to the Committee for Privileges, as well for new Examination of the Misdemeanors, as of the other Matters contained in the second Petition.

Oath at Elections.

Mr. Cholmeley moveth for his Father, for some Direction in these Points : 1. Whether lawful for the Sheriff to minister an Oath to those, which shall come in, as Electors, after Eleven of the Clock: 2ly. Whether the Sheriff may make Deputies, to take the Oath.