House of Commons Journal Volume 2: 08 February 1643

Die Mercurii, 8 Februarii, 1642.

PRAYERS.

Levying Monen.

AN Ordinance for the better Levying of the Monies assessed upon the Ordinance of the Twenty-ninth of November was this Day read; and, by Vote upon the Question, assented unto; and ordered to be sent unto the Lords for their Concurrence, by Mr. Long.

Payments for Service of Ireland.

An Order drawn up, for the Payment of the Two thousand Pounds, taken up by the Committees at Dublyn, and charged upon the Receivers of the Adventurers Money for Ireland, to be paid out of such Monies as shall first come in upon the next and last Payment of the Adventurers upon the Acts made in that Behalf, was read; and ordered to be carried up to the Lords; together with the Order concerning Monies, to be paid to Mr. Pennoyer concerning Sir Wm. Cole's Regiment; and all the other Orders concerning Ireland, past on Saturday last.

Weekly Assessment.

The Ordinance for the weekly Assessments, Yesterday re-committed, and this Day brought in, with some Amendments.

Member refusing the Covenant.

Mr. Potter, according to an Order of Eleventh of August, was required to declare himself, and give his Answer to the Vote concerning adhering to the Earl of Essex, made the same Day: Which he refused to do; but desired Time.

Whereupon he was commanded to withdraw.

And the House falling upon the great Business of the Propositions, he continued withdrawn at the House rising, and nothing at that Time more said unto him.

Members accede to Covenant.

Sir Jo. Clothworthy, Sir Nevile Poole, Mr. Arthur Goodwyn, Mr. Purefoye, Mr. Godfrey Bosevile, Sir Wm. Constable, Mr. Lisle, Mr. Snow, declared in Affirmative to the Vote of adhering to my Lord of Essex in this Cause.

King's Answer to Propositions.

According to the Order of Yesterday, the Propositions of both Houses to his Majesty, and his Majesty's Answer unto them, was read.

And the Question being put, Whether the House should be resolved presently into a Committee, to take his Majesty's Answer to the Propositions of both Houses......

It passed with the Negative.-

A Message from the Lords, by Serjeant Fench and Serjeant Glanvile;

The Lords desire a present Conference, by Committees of both Houses, presently, in the Painted Chamber, if it may stand with the Conveniency.... concerning some Votes which Yesterday passed in their House, touching his Majesty's Answer to the Propositions of both Houses.

The Question was propounded, Whether the Answer to the Message should be, That this House would send Answer by Messengers of their own:

And then the Question was put, Whether this Question should be now put:

It passed with the Affirmative.

And then the Question being put, Whether the Answer should be, That this House would return Answer by Messengers of their own;

Answer returned by the same Messengers; That this House has considered their Lordships Message; and will give a present Meeting, as is desired.

E. of Warwick to be Admiral.

A Message from the Lords, by Sir Edward Leech and Dr. Aylett;

The Lords have agreed to the Ordinance, sent unto them from this House, for the making of the Earl of Warwick Admiral of the Navy.

Citizens heard, on Propositions to the King, &c.

The House being informed, That divers Captains of the City attended at the Door, who desired to inform the House of something;

They were called in: And after they had delivered, by Word of Mouth, some Things that they observed, concerning a Book, published in Print, containing the Propositions presented from both Houses to his Majesty, and his Majesty's Answer unto them, they did desire to present something in Writing concerning the same; which they humbly submitted to the Judgement of this Assembly.

They were then required to withdraw.

Being withdrawn;

It was Resolved, That the Paper, offered to be presented from the Citizens, shall be received.

The Citizens were again called in: And they delivered their Paper. And Mr. Speaker told them, That the House would consider of it in due Time.

Proceedings on King's Answer to Propositions.

Mr. Hollis, Mr. Pym, Mr. Hampden, Mr. Waller, and Sir Philip Stapilton, are appointed Reporters of this Conference.

Mr. Holles reports from the Conference with the Lords, That the Earl of Manchester told them, How much that House ever desired a good Correspondence with this House. They have passed Two Votes in their House, touching his Majesty's Answer to the Propositions; which they desired to communicate to this House:

The which were read in hæc verba; viz.

"Resolved, upon the Question, That there shall be a speedy Disbanding of both Armies."

Resolved, &c. That there shall be a present Cessation of Arms, and a Treaty, before the Disbanding of both Armies."

Citizens thanked.

The Paper delivered from the Captains of the City was read.

And then they were called in: And Mr. Speaker, by the Command of the House, told them, That the House had read their Paper; and gave them Thanks for their Care of the Commonwealth.

Member accedes to Covenant, &c.

Mr. Bisse declared himself in the Affirmative to the Vote concerning adhering to the Earl of Essex in this Cause, &c. according to the Vote of 11° Augusti: To the Second Question concerning contributing, he answered, He would declare himself at the Committee. -

King's Answer to Propositions.

The House resumed the Debate of the Propositions.

The Question was first propounded, Whether This, that came from his Majesty, be an Answer to the Propositions:

And then the Question was put, Whether this Question should be now put:

It passed with the Negative.

The Question was propounded, Whether This be a Satisfactory Answer:

And then the Question was put, Whether this Question should be now put:

Then the Question was propounded, Whether this was a positive Answer:

And then the Question was put, Whether this Question should be put: And

The House was divided: And

The Noes went forth.

The Tellers upon the former Question are likewise appointed Tellers upon This.

With the Yea, 87.

With the Noe, 108.

So that the Question passed with the Negative.

Ordered, That this Debate, concerning his Majesty's Answer to the Propositions of both Houses, be resumed To-morrow Morning, at Nine of Clock, peremptorily.