House of Commons Journal Volume 3: 15 November 1644

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Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 3, 1643-1644. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.

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Die Veneris, Novembris 15, 1644.


Delinquents Goods.

ORDERED, That a Message be sent to the Lords, to desire them, That the Committee of Lords and Commons at Haberdashers Hall may examine Mr. Thane, Gentleman Usher of the House of Peers, what Goods of Delinquents he hath in his Custody; and likewise to examine what Goods of Delinquents are in the Custody of the Clerks of either House of Parliament, if there shall be any Information given to that Purpose.

Proceedings concerning Lord Macguire.

Resolved, &c. That this House doth approve of, and allow, the Counsel assigned by the Court of King's Bench, in the Case of the Lord Macguire, to be of Counsel as to the Point of Peerage, Whether a Peer of the Kingdom of Ireland, accused for Treason committed there, be triable here by his Peers.

Ordered, That the Lawyers of the House be enjoined to confer with the Judges this Afternoon, touching the Point of Peerage in the Case of the Lord Macguire.

Church Government, &c.

The House being informed, That divers Divines of the Assembly were at the Door;

They were called in; and did present the humble Declaration of the Assembly of Divines, now, by Ordinance of Parliament, sitting at Westminster, concerning those Officers, in their Second Proposition of Advice, presented on Friday last the Eighth of this Instant November, touching Church Government.

The which, they being withdrawn, was read.

According to an Order of Wednesday last, the House resumed the Consideration of the humble Advice of the Assembly of Divines, for preventing the Mischiefs that will arise and follow, upon the Divulging the dangerous Opinions of Antinomianism and Anabaptism: And, after long Debate thereof, and mature Consideration thereupon;

It is Resolved, &c. That no Person be permitted to preach, who is not ordained a Minister, either in This, or some other Reformed Church, except such as, intending the Ministry, shall be allowed for the Trial of their Gifts, by those who shall be appointed thereunto by both Houses of Parliament.

Ordered, That, on Monday next, the House do take into further Consideration, the humble Advice of the Divines, presented from the Committee of plundered Ministers, for preventing the Mischiefs that will arise upon the Divulging the dangerous Opinions of Antinomianism, and Anabaptism: And that, on Monday next, the House be resolved into a Committee, to take into Consideration the Propositions presented from the Assembly of Divines, touching Church Government.


Resolved, &c. That Lieutenant Burdett, John Ball, Henry Southam, and Serjeant Stanner, be forthwith sent for as Delinquents, by the Serjeant at Arms attending on this House, to answer their Contempt, and Breach of Privilege, in entering upon, and searching, the House of James Fienis Esquire, a Member of this House.

Message from Lords.

A Message from the Lords, by Sir Edw. Leech and Doctor Heath;

The Lords have received Two Papers, One from the Spanish Ambassador, and one from the States Ambassador: The which they recommend to the Consideration of this House. They have likewise received a Petition from the Brethren of Major Grey, late Commander at Gloucester, and deceased: The which they desire this House to consider of. They have likewise commanded them to deliver this Petition; it is from some Warwickshire and Staffordshire Gentlemen: The Lords do agree unto it; and desire the Concurrence of this House: And likewise they desire, That this House will take all their former Messages concerning That Association into Consideration, that the Earl of Denbigh may be sent down with such Accommodations, to his Command, as shall be requisite and fit for him: And that the Thousand Pounds and Six hundred Pair of Pistols, formerly granted by both Houses, may be presently provided, according to their Lordships former Message to that Purpose.-

Sailors Petition.

The humble Petition of Eight hundred Sailors, and upwards, was this Day read: And

It is Ordered, That it be referred to my Lord Admiral; who is desired to call before him Captain Molton, and to examine the true State of this Business; and to take some Course, that the Petitioners may have Relief.

Answer to Lords.

Answer returned by the same Messengers; That this House has considered their Lordships Message, and the Time of the Day; and will send Answer by Messengers of their own.

Windsore Castle.

Ordered, by the Lords and Commons, in Parliament assembled, That the Committee of Lords and Commons at Haberdashers Hall do pay unto Colonel John Ven, towards Payment of the Garison at Windsore Castle, the Sum of Two hundred and Forty Pounds, received by them in Part of a greater Sum assessed on Mr. Wm. Sherman for his Twentieth Part, being discovered by the said Colonel; as also such other Sum of Money as the said Committee shall adjudge the said Mr. Sheirman to pay for his full Twentieth Part; taking a Receipt of the said Colonel, which shall be their full Discharge for so much as shall be paid unto him.

Ordered, That it be specially referred to the Committee of both Kingdoms, to take a present Course for the Safety of Windsore Castle; and for suppressing of the Mutineers there.