House of Commons Journal Volume 3: 18 October 1644

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Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 3, 1643-1644. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.

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Die Veneris, Octobris 18, 1644.


Moniers Privileges.

THE humble Petition of the Company of Moniers in the Tower of London, desiring an Enjoyment of their Privileges, which have been, for many Hundreds of Years, granted unto them, was this Day read; and referred to the Consideration of . . Vane, . . Holles, . . Gerard, . . Ashe, . . Jennour, . . Reynolds, . . Wheeler, . . Trenchard, . . Strode, . . Massam, . . Scawen, . . More, Whitelock, . . Recorder, . . Hungerford, . . Hill, . . Lewes, . . Holland, Lieutenant of the Tower, . . Evelyn, . . Rolle, . . Hodges, . . Whittacre, . . Wray, . . Cheeke, and all the Lawyers of the House: Who are to inquire into the Privileges claimed by the Officers and Moniers of the Mint; and to consider what Privileges are fit to be allowed for their Encouragement: And are to report their Opinions upon the whole Matter to the House: And have Power to send for Parties, Witnesses, Papers, Records, &c.: And are to meet on Wednesday next, at Two post Meridiem, in the Exchequer Chamber.

Army Supplies, &c.

Resolved, &c. That Five hundred Backs, Breasts, and Pots, and Three hundred Pair of Pistols, and Three hundred Saddles, be forthwith provided and sent down to Sir Wm. Waller's Army: And that an Hundred and Eighty Backs, Breasts, and Pots, and an Hundred and Fifty Pair of Pistols, that are in the publick Stores, be employed toward the Furnishing of these Arms desired for Sir Wm. Waller's Army: And that it be referred to the Committee of the West, to take care for the Providing of these Arms, and for sending of them away.

Mr. Trenchard is especially to take care hereof.

Ordered, That a publick Sale be made of the Brass Horse and Statue at Rowhampton; and that the Proceed thereof shall be employed towards the Furnishing and Payment for these Arms: And that it be referred to the Committee at Haberdashers Hall, to appoint this Day Fortnight for another Day of publick Sale of the said Horse: And that the Proceed thereof be paid to Mr. Trenchard, for the Providing of these Arms.

Resolved, &c. That Colonel Ludlowe and Major Dewett, with all their Troops, do forthwith advance and march to join with Sir Wm. Waller's Forces, and the Body of Horse.

Colonel Popham, Sir Edw. Hungerford, and Mr. Hodges, are appointed to prepare a Letter to the Purport of this Order, to be signed, and sent from Mr. Speaker.

Ordered, That it be referred to the Committee of both Kingdoms, to send Directions to Colonel Ludlowe and Major Dewett, according to this Order.

Coal Trade.

Ordered, That Mr. Recorder do acquaint the Lord Mayor and Court of Aldermen, That this House is very sensible of the Abuse committed in the Ingrossing and Vent of Coals, to the great Prejudice of the Poor, and the City, notwithstanding the Care of this House in the Regulating this Matter:-They are likewise informed, that the Lord Mayor, and Court of Aldermen, are in Pursuit of this Business, and of the Redress of it: The House likes well this Care; and do desire him to be diligent in this Business; and to certify this House of the Obstructions: And they do assure him, that if there be any Want of Power in him, that he shall have all Encouragement, and Reinforcement of Power, from this House. He is likewise to desire my Lord Mayor, and Court of Aldermen, to consider of a fit Price to be set upon Coals; and to represent it to the House.

Message to Lords.

Mr. Bond carried up to the Lords, the Ordinance of Two thousand Four hundred Pounds for the Dorsettshire Garisons: The Order for One hundred and Ninety Pounds Thirteen Shillings and Ten-pence for Portesmouth: The Order for a sequestered House for Sir Wm. Lister in Westminster: And was to acquaint the Lords, That this House does agree with the Lords, in leaving out the Lord Newburgh in the Order sent up for the Assessment of the Earl of Chesterfield and Lord Newburgh.

Advance from Excise.

Ordered, That the Commississioners of Excise be earnestly desired to comply with the Ordinances of both Houses of Wednesday, Octobris 9, 1644, for furnishing and advancing of Five hundred Pounds, upon Account, to the Waggon Master General: And this House doth engage, That they will take Order, that the said Five hundred Pounds be reimbursed to the Commissioners of Excise.

Propositions from Essex.

Sir Wm. Masham presented, from the Standing Committee in Essex, certain Propositions; the which they made upon the Invitation of a Letter from Mr. Speaker, of Julii 5, 1644, towards the Satisfaction of the great Charges of the said County, lately disbursed by special Command of Parliament: The which were read; and referred to the Consideration of the Committee at Goldsmiths Hall: Who are to take it into Consideration this Afternoon; and to report To-morrow their Opinions.

Propositions for Peace.

Mr. Pierrepont reported, from the Committee of both Kingdoms, the Preamble and Conclusion to the Propositions for a safe and well-grounded Peace: The which were read, and assented unto; with the Addition of these Words: "The Lords and Commons assembled in the Parliament of England;" and a Blank to be filled up by the Scotts Commissioners.

Ordered, That the Scotts Commissioners be desired to fill up the Blank in the Preamble to the Propositions for a safe and well-grounded Peace.

Publick Fast.

Resolved, &c. That Tuesday next be set apart for a Publick Fast, and Day of Humiliation, to be observed within the Lines of Communication, to desire a Blessing from God upon the Armies: And that none do presume to use their Trade, or ordinary Labour, or to open their Shops, within the Places afore-mentioned, upon that Day; and that speedy Notice hereof be given to the Lord Mayor, and he desired to send Notice hereof to the particular Ministers of the several Places: And the Ministers are further desired, to recommend unto God the Condition of the Armies the next Lord's Day.

Resolved, &c. That Mr. Calamyn, Mr. Vines, and Mr. Obadiah Sedgewick, are desired to preach on that Day, at St. Margarett's, Westminster.

Leave of Absence.

Resolved, &c. That Sir Jo. Holland, a Member of this House, absent in Parts beyond the Seas by Leave of this House, shall have Leave farther extended unto him, to be absent from his Attendance upon the Service of this House, until the latter End of March next: And that his Absence shall be no Prejudice unto him.


Ordered, That Mr. Green do make Report concerning the Navy, To-morrow Morning, the first Business: And Mr. Speaker to put the House in mind hereof.


Ordered, That, next after the Navy Business reported, Mr. Maynard do report the Ordinance concerning Administrations.

Message from Lords.

A Message from the Lords, by Sir Robert Riche and Mr. Page;

The Lords have received a Petition from the County of Rutland, with some Reasons annexed, for the Confirmation of that Petition; the which they have sent to the Consideration of this House. They have appointed a Committee of Eight Members of their House, whereof Three to be of the Quorum; and desire this House to appoint a Committee of a proportionable Number; to take the said Petition and Reasons into Consideration: And to meet this Afternoon, at Three of Clock, in the Prince's Lodgings.

The Lords do agree to the Ordinance of Excise for Southampton; to the Ordinance concerning Colonel Edw. Harley; to the Ordinance for Mr. Hicks.

Rutland Petition.

Ordered, That the Rutlandshire Petition, &c. be considered To-morrow Morning.

Answer to Lords.

Answer returned by the same Messengers; That this House has considered their Lordships Message; and will send Answer by Messengers of their own.

Propositions for Peace.

Mr. Pierepoint reported, from the Committee of both Kingdoms, the Preamble and Conclusion to the Propositions to a safe and well-grounded Peace; viz.

We your Majesty's loyal Subjects of both Kingdoms, the Lords and Commons assembled in the Parliament of England; and; from the Sense of that Duty we owe unto Your Majesty, and of the deep Sufferings, and many Miseries, under which Your People of all Your Kingdoms lie bleeding in this unnatural War, after long and serious Consideration about the best Way and Means of their Preservation, and for settling Your Majesty's Throne, and Your Subjects, in Peace and Security; have, with common Consent, resolved upon these Propositions, which we do humbly tender unto your Majesty.-

Now, therefore, we humbly beseech Your Majesty, to grant these Propositions, which are presented for the Peace and publick Good of Your Kingdoms: And as we therein, according to our Trust and Duty, have Regard to the Glory of God, the Quiet and Welfare of Your People; so shall we really endeavour, that Your Majesty may live in the Splendor and Glory of Your Royal Progenitors, and which beseemeth Your Royal Place and Dignity.

Resolved, &c. That the Proposition concerning the Great Seal, be left out.

Resolved, &c. That instead of the Proposition concerning the Continuance of the Excise, &c. this Proposition shall be inserted; "And to such Act or Acts for raising of Monies for the Payment and Satisfying of the Publick Debts and Damages of the Kingdom, and other publick Uses, as shall hereafter be agreed on by both Houses of Parliament."

Ordered, That these Words, "of Worcestershire," shall be added to Sir Wm. Russell's Name in the Propositions.

Filling the House with Members.

Ordered, That on Monday next, the Debate shall be taken into Consideration of filling the House with Members, by sending forth new Writs.

City Propositions.

Ordered, That the City Propositions be reported Tomorrow Morning.

Propositions for Peace.

The House proceeded to the Consideration of the Propositions for a safe and well-grounded Peace; and proceeded in the Consideration thereof, to the Fifteenth Proposition; and ordered to be resumed To-morrow Morning.

Petition on behalf of Jones, &c.

The House being informed, That divers Field Officers, within the Line of Communication, were at the Door, who desired to prefer a Petition to the House;

They were called in; and did prefer their Petition on the Behalf of Colonel Jones and Farneham Castle.

The which was read; and ordered to be referred to Mr. Recorder, Mr. Hollis, Lieutenant of the Tower, Mr. Whitelocke, Mr. Reynolds, Sir Walter Erle, Mr. Baynton, Serjeant Wilde, Mr. Longe, Mr. Thelwell, Mr. Knightley, Sir Jo. Francklyn, Sir Tho. Cheeke, Mr. Rich. Browne, Mr. Wheeler, Mr. Blakeston, Sir Tho. Some, Mr. Trenchard, Colonel Vane, Dr. Eden, Sir Jo. Clotworthy, Mr. Nath. Stephens, Mr. Herbert, Sir Philip Stapleton, Mr. Maynard, Mr. Weston, Mr. Strode, Mr. Prideaux, Mr. Tate: This Committee is to inquire how, and by what Means, the said Petition was procured; and who were the principal Authors and Procurers of it: And are to meet To-morrow, at Two of the Clock in the Afternoon, in the Court of Wards: And have Power to send for Parties, Witnesses, Papers, Records, &c.

Ordered, That it be referred to the Committee of both Kingdoms, to have a Care of the Security of Farneham Castle.

Duke of Gelderland.

Ordered, That the Duke of Gelderland shall have Mr. Speaker's Warrant for Monsieur Eacourt, a Gentleman of his, to go to the King.