House of Commons Journal Volume 3: 28 October 1644

Pages 679-680

Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 3, 1643-1644. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.

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Die Lunæ, Octobris 28, 1644.


Preacher appointed.

ORDERED, That Mr. Burges, of Sutton, be desired to preach before the Commons, on the Fifth of November next, the Day of Gunpowder Treason.

Assembly of Divines.

The House being informed, That Mr. Marshall was at the Door, from the Assembly;

He was called in; and acquainted the House, That, upon an Order of this House, of the Fifteenth of this Instant, whereby Mr. Dellmay is recommended unto the Committee of Lords and Commons appointed to treat with the Commissioners of the Church of Scotland, to be considered of for his Fitness to be of the Assembly; that they have inquired particularly after him; and do find him every Way fit, if this House shall so think him.

Mr. Marshall was desired by Mr. Speaker, to acquaint Mr. Burges, That He is desired to preach before the Commons, on the Fifth of November next; and to intreat the Assembly to spend some Time this Day in Prayer, in regard the Armies are so near.

Resolved, &c. That this House doth approve of Mr. Dellmay, to be added to the Assembly of Divines: And that the Lords Concurrence be desired herein.

Absent Member.

The humble Petition of Sir Wm. Uvedale Knight, a Member of this House, was this Day read: And

It is Ordered, That the Committee for absent Members do, on Thursday Morning next, peremptorily report the Business concerning Sir Wm. Uvedale: And that Mr. Speaker do put the House in mind hereof.

Filling the House with Members.

Ordered, That, on Friday next, the House take into Consideration the Business of filling the House with Members: And that Mr. Speaker put the House in mind hereof.

Trevor's, &c. Elections.

Ordered, That on Friday Morning next, Sir Robert Harley do report the State of the Elections of Sir Tho. Trevor, and Mr. * Gewen.

Reparation to Stockdale.

An Ordinance for Thomas Stockdale Esquire to have Reparation out of the Estate of Sir John Goodrick Knight and Baronet, for the Losses and Damages which he hath sustained by the said Sir John Goodrick and others, was this Day read the First time; and ordered to be read the Second time on Monday next, between the Hours of Ten and Twelve.

Newport Pagnell Garison.

The Draught of a Letter to be sent to the several Committees of the respective Counties, appointed to bear a Proportion towards the Maintenance of the Garison of Newport Pagnell, was this Day read; and assented unto; and ordered to be signed by Mr. Speaker.

Delinquent's Property.

An Ordinance for disposing of the Sum of Four hundred and Twenty Pounds, with Interest, the Portion of John Bill the Younger, a Delinquent in Arms against the Parliament, upon Account, to the Lord Fairefaxe, for the Use of the Forces under his Command; being discovered by the Means of some Friends of my Lord Fairefaxe, and not yet sequestered; was this Day read the First and Second time; and, upon Question, committed unto Mr. Recorder, Mr. Sam. Browne, Sir Ben. Rudyard, Sir Anth. Irby, Sir Tho. Widdrington, Sir John Curson, Mr. Knightley, Mr. Strode, Lieutenant of the Tower, Mr. Reynolds, Sir Hen. Cholmeley, Sir Christ. Wray, Mr. Wheler, Colonel Ven, Mr. Blakiston, Sir Martin Lister, Mr. Whittacre; or any Four of them: Who are to meet To-morrow, at Two of the Clock, in the Exchequer Chamber: And have Power to send for Parties, Witnesses, Papers, Records, &c.: And Sir Martin Lister, and Sir Tho. Widdrington are appointed to treat with the Chamber of London, concerning the Monies mentioned in this Ordinance.

City Propositions.

Mr. Reynolds acquaints the House, That, in Obedience to the Order of the House, he had acquainted the Court of Aldermen and Common Council, with the Order made by this House, for desiring them to contract their Propositions into a lesser Number, or in general Terms, lest the not finishing of them might hinder the Propositions already passed this House, for being sent away: And that they had accordingly taken the same into Consideration; and had sent an Answer by a Member of this House.

Mr. Alderman Pennington, Lieutenant of the Tower, presents to the House, the Order of Common Council, to warrant him to present their Propositions, so contracted, unto the House: Which was read: As also the Propositions so presented: And they were all read; and, upon the Question, assented unto; and ordered to be sent unto the Lords, for their Concurrence, by Mr. Recorder.

Message to Lords.

Sir Robert Harley carried up to the Lords the Ordinance concerning Mr. Waller, together with his Petition: The Ordinance for putting a Minister into Stanhope Werdale in the County of Durham.

Hotham's Petition.

The humble Petition of Sir Jo. Hotham Knight and Baronet, late Governor of Hull, and Member of the House of Commons, was this Day read.

London Petition.

The House being informed that divers Gentlemen were at the Door, that desired to present a Petition to the House;

They were called in: And Mr. Ayres, in the Name of the rest, did present their Petition, intituled, The humble Petition of many Thousand Citizens of London, and others, inhabiting within the Lines of Communication, and weekly Bills of Mortality, whose Names are subscribed.

The which was read (the Petitioners being first withdrawn); and was concerning Justice to be done upon Delinquents, especially the Archbishop of Canterbury and Bishop Wrcn; and for filling the House with Members, by new Elections, in the vacant Places.

The Question being put, Whether the Petition should be re-delivered to the Petitioners;

The House was divided.

The Yeas went forth.

Mr. Holles, Sir Philip Stapilton, Tellers for the Yea: With the Yea, 44.
Mr. Strode, Mr. Tate, Tellers for the Noe: With the Noe, 71.

So that the Question passed with the Negative.

The Gentlemen were called in: And Mr. Speaker, by the Command of the House, acquainted them; That, as to that Part of the Petition, concerning Justice to be done upon Delinquents, they have had it long under Consideration; and it is now in a speedy Course: As to the other Part of the Petition, concerning the Electing of Members, the House is well assured of your Affection in general, and of your particular Affections to the Proceedings of Parliament, and of the faithful Service you have done for the Parliament: But, in the Desire of This, the Privilege is so inherent in the House, and a common Right to all the Subjects of England, and the publick Way of Elections so well known by the Laws and Statutes of the Land, that he is commanded to tell you, in This you have been misled, in making your Desire as to this Particular.

Message from Lords.

A Message from the Lords, by Sir Edw. Leech and Doctor Aylett;

The Lords have commanded us to let you know, That they did not refuse to hear the Brewers and the Woodmongers concerning their Way through the Old Palace with their Carts; but were in a Course to give them a Hearing, and do them Justice: That their Lordships have appointed Friday next for hearing the Business. And, whereas it is alledged, That there hath been Money taken for Permission of Carts going through the Palace, their Lordships gave no such Authority: And this House doth think fit, that Inquiry be made after such Persons that have misinformed one House concerning the Proceedings of the other. They have likewise received a Petition from the Widow of Colonel Farrer, slain in the Service of the Parliament.

Passage to Horse Ferry.

Sir Hen. Cholmeley is appointed to go to the Lords, to desire them, in regard of the publick Importance to have the Passage open through the Old Palace to the Horse Ferry, That it may be set open, in the mean time, till the Business be heard.

Answer to Lords.

Answer returned by the same Messengers; That this House has considered their Lordships Message; and will send Answer by Messengers of their own.

City Propositions.

Propositions desired by the City of London to be granted and confirmed by Act of Parliament.

I. That an Act be passed for the Granting and Confirming of the Charters, Customs, Liberties, and Franchises, of the City of London, notwithstanding any Nonuser, Misuser, or Abuser.

II. That the Militia of the City of London may be in the Ordering and Government of the Lord Mayor, Aldermen, and Commons, in Common Council assembled, or such as they shall from time to time appoint (whereof the Lord Mayor and Sheriffs for the Time being to be Three): And that the Militia of the Parishes without London, and the Liberties within the weekly Bills of Mortality, may be under the Command of the Lord Mayor, Aldermen, and Commons, in Common Council of the said City; to be ordered in such manner as shall be agreed on and appointed by both Houses of Parliament.

III. That the Tower of London may be in the Government of the City of London; and the chief Officer and Governor thereof, from time to time, be nominated and removeable by the Common Council.

IV. That the Citizens or Forces of London shall not be drawn out of the City, into any other Parts of the Kingdom, without their own Consent; and that the Drawing of their Forces into other Parts of the Kingdom in these distracted Times, may not be drawn into Example for the future.

V. And, for Prevention of Inconveniences which may happen by the long Intermission of Common Councils, it is desired, That there be an Act, That all By Laws and Ordinances already made, or hereafter to be made, by the Lord Mayor, Aldermen, and Commons, in Common Council assembled, touching the calling, continuing, directing, and regulating the same, shall be as effectual in Law, to all Intents and Purposes, as if the same were particularly enacted by the Authority of Parliament: And that the Lord Mayor, Aldermen, and Commons, in Common Council, may add to, or repeal, the said Ordinances, from time to time, as they shall see Cause.

VI. That such other Propositions as shall be made for the City for their further Safety, Welfare, and Government, and shall be approved of by both Houses of Parliament, may be granted and confirmed by Act of Parliament.