House of Commons Journal Volume 3: 12 May 1643

Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 3, 1643-1644. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.

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Die Veneris, 12 Maii, 1643.


Irish Accompts.

A BRIEF State of the Accompts of Ireland was this Day read; and ordered to be referred to the Consideration of the Committee for the Affairs of Ireland; who are to return their Answer unto it with all convenient Speed.

Member admitted.

Upon a Report this Day made, from the Committee for absent Members, the Excuse of Mr. Brett was allowed; and he ordered to be admitted into the House.

Shiers Petition.

Ordered, That the humble Petition of Mary Shiers, Widow, under Restraint for refusing to pay the weekly Assessments, be referred to the Committee for Assessments in Westminster.

Taking Horses.

Ordered, That Mr. Reynolds do shew unto my Lord General the Ordinance this Day brought in by himself, concerning the preventing the Abuses in the taking of Horses; and receive his Advice touching it, and present it to the House.

Persons committed.

Resolved, &c, That Cross and Smyth be committed Prisoners to Newgate, for abusing the Warrants that have been granted unto them, for the seizing and apprehending of Priests.

Articles against Goss.

Ordered, That the Consideration of the Articles exhibited against Mr. Goss, by one Mr. Warren, be referred to the Committee for Examinations.

Malignants Horses.

Ordered, That the Deputy Lieutenants of the neighbouring Counties of Herts, Middlesex, Essex, Surrey, Suffolk, Cambridge, Sussex, and Hantshire, do meet this Afternoon, and give unto Sir Arth. Heselrig a List of the Malignants and Ill-affected in their several Counties; to the end that he may, according to my Lord General's Warrant seize such Malignants Horses for furnishing his Troops.

Ordinance for Twentieth Part.

Ordered, That Mr. Cage, Mr. Wheeler, Mr. Hill, and Mr. Bond, may peruse the Ordinance for the Twentieth Part, and amend the Names of the Commissioners in the Several Counties; and give Order for the printing of so many as shall be sufficient for the Service, and for the Payment for the printing of them.

Powder for Kent.

Ordered, That the Gentlemen that serve for the County of Kent do confer with Mr. Berisford, about the furnishing of Forty Barrels of Powder, for the Service of the said County of Kent.

Naval Affairs.

Ordered, That all Ships be discharged from any Attendance upon any particular Town or Port; and all left to be disposed of by the Earl of Warwick's Directions; notwithstanding any former Order; and that the Committee for the Navy do give Directions unto such as are upon the Attendance of any particular Towns to go to Sea.

Mayor of Southampton.

Ordered, That the Mayor of Southampton be not discharged till the House take further Order.

Carterett's Sequestration

Ordered, That the Eight hundred Eighty-seven Pounds remaining in the Hands of Mr. Tho. Dowse, of Southampton, Grocer, and belonging to Sir Philip Carterett, be seized, and disposed of, upon Account, to the Earl of Warwick, or his Assignees.

Message to Lords.

The Draught of a Letter to be sent to the State of Scotland, concerning the Earls of Roxburgh, &c. their being Incendiaries between the King and his People, was this Day read; and, by Vote, upon the Question, assented unto; and ordered, upon the Question, to be sent unto the Lords, for their Concurrence, by Sir Jo. Evelyn: Who likewise carried up the Order concerning Ship Masts, to be delivered out of the Stores in Ireland.


Earl of Roxburgh, &c.

THE and Commons of England, now assembled in Parliament, in pursuance of that Amity and Correspondence which they desire should ever continue betwixt the Nations, have commanded us to remonstrate unto your Lordships, that divers Peers, and other the Subjects of the Kingdom of Scotland, have levied War against the Parliament of England, contrary to the Laws of this Realm, and to the Act of Pacification betwixt the Two Kingdoms, whose Names shall, in convenient time, be particularly signified: They have thought fit, for the present, only to complain unto your Lordships, of divers other great Officers and Peers of that Realm, namely, the Earls of Roxbourgh, Moreton, Annandale, Kinnoul, Carnewath, Lanericke; who have, during the time of their Continuance here, made themselves Incendiaries between the King and his People; and have advised Acts of Hostility against the Subjects of this Realm, to their great Harm and Wrong; contrary to the Laws of this Realm; and contrary to the Act before-mentioned; as appeareth by a Letter, under their own Hands, a Copy whereof they send here inclosed.

The and Commons do therefore desire your Lordships, that Order may be taken for speedy Proceedings to be had against them; and against those, within the said Realm of Scotland, that shall assist, receive, or harbour them; or any of them; that so they may receive such Punishment, for their said Offence, as by the said Act of Pacification is provided. Herewith we take our Leaves, and rest, &c.

Answer from Lords.

Sir Jo. Evelyn brings Answer.

That, to the Messages he carried up, the Lords will send Answer by Messengers of their own.

Lords desire a Conference

A Message from the Lords, by Sir Edw. Leech and Dr.Bennett;

The Lords desire a Conference, by Committees of both Houses, presently, in the Painted Chamber, if it may stand with the Conveniency of this House, concerning some Things they have received this Morning, by a Declaration from my Lord General.--


A Message from the Lords, by Sir Ro. Riche and Mr. Page;

The Lords desire a Conference, by Committees of both Houses, presently, in the Painted Chamber, if it may stand with the Conveniency of this House, concerning the Letter to be sent into Scotland, brought up from this House; and likewise concerning the Ordinance for removing the Ship Masts from Kinsale.-

Greal Seal.

Resolved, &c. That this Debate concerning a Great Seal of England, shall be taken into further Consideration To-morrow Morning, at Ten of Clock; and that Mr. Speaker put the House in mind hereof.

Conference agreed to.

-Answer returned by the First Messengers; that this House has considered their Lordships Message; and will give a present Meeting, as is desired.

Conference with Lords.

-Answer returned by the Second Messengers; that this House has considered their Lordships Message; and will give a present Meeting, as is desired.

Mr. Pym, Mr. Hollis, Mr. Glyn, Sir H. Vane junior, Mr. Hampden, are appointed Managers of this Conference.

Army Affairs.

Mr. Hollis reports the Conference with the Lords;

"That the Earl of Manchester said, Truth came with best Authority, when it was expressed by those, that knew the Particulars; and might best be done by my Lord General himself (who was there present): But he was ready to obey the Lords Commands. First, That the Lords are very sensible of my Lord General's Readiness and Faithfulness, to do Service to the Parliament; but there were some Obstructions that hindered him: 1. The want of Money. 2. Disobedience to his Commands. That of Money, is a considerable Sum, that must be had for the present, to go through That he hath in Hand: And that my Lord General did not only desire this, but that there might be some certain Spring of Money; and not to go, from time to time, upon Hopes. For the other Particular, "Disobedience to his Commands," my Lord General, having received Intelligence of Supplies of Ammunition, that was coming by a Convoy out of the North, sent to the Forces in Nottingham, Leicester, and Lincolneshire, to draw into a Body, to give a Stop thereunto: For Neglect whereof, he is likely to suffer much Prejudice in his own Designs. Next, the Lords desire, that my Lord General do make Inquiry, who they were that have thus offended; and leave it to him to do further therein, as he shall think fit: And are resolved to join with the House to strengthen his Power, that he may have his Commands, for the future, obeyed better."

"That the Lords had a great Sense of the Fidelity and great Pains shewed and taken by the Lord General, in the Service of the Parliament; and particularly in that Service of Readinge; and therefore have returned him Thanks; and desire this House to join with them, that it may be done in a publick manner by both Houses. And lastly, once more to recommend the Matter of Monies unto you; for without a considerable Sum he cannot stir."

Scotts Lords.

Mr. Pym reports the second Part of the Conference;

"That, as to the Letter to be sent into Scotland, touching the Six Scotts Lords, they have named a Committee of Six Lords, to consider of the Narrative Part of that Letter sent from those Lords to the Queen; and, as to the latter Part, they agree unto it. That, as to the Order for Removal of the Masts from Kingsaile, the Lords conceive, there is such Scarcity there, that those Ships that are employed on the Irish Coast, may be prejudiced for want of Masts; therefore think it best to get some elsewhere."

Army Affairs.

Resolved, &c. That this House doth agree, that speedy Course must be taken for a good and considerable Supply to be made to my Lord General, as is desired by his Excellency; and that it be referred to the Committee of Lords and Commons, that sits in London, for Advance of Monies, to recommend the Importance of this Business of raising Monies for my Lord General, to the Common Council To-morrow Morning at Eight of Clock.

Lord General thanked.

Resolved, &c. That this House doth concur with the Lords, that publick Thanks be given to my Lord General, for his great Pains and Fidelity in the Service of the State in general; and in particular, in that great Service of Redding: And that the Lords be desired, that these Thanks may be given to him by the Speakers of both Houses.

Ordered, That the Committee for Advance of Monies do consider of and give Order for the speedy bringing in the Monies, in the Treasurers Hands, of the County of Norfolk.

Resolved, &c. That this House doth concur with the Lords, in desiring the Lord General to inquire, who they were, that have not obeyed his Commands and Directions; and that they will join in any way that may strengthen him in his Power, and enable him to be better obeyed for the future.

Scotch Lords.

Sir Wm. Armyn, Mr. Glyn, Sir Peter Wentworth, Mr. Reynolds, Sir Jo. Clotworthy, Mr. Strode, Mr. Pym, Mr. Holland, Mr. Bond, Sir Wm. Strickland, Mr. Darley, Mr. Pierepont;

This Committee is appointed to meet with a Committee of a proportionable Number of the Lords, to consider of the Narrative Part and Matter of Fact in the Letter to be sent into Scotland, concerning the Six Scotch Lords, that have been Incendiaries between the King and his People.

Ship Masts at Kinsale.

Ordered, That, as to the Ordinance concerning the Removal of the Ship Masts from Kinsale, in Ireland, this House doth adhere unto it; and that the Reasons, why they do so, shall be delivered unto the Lords at a Conference.

Members Assessments.

Ordered, That, To-morrow, Mr. Trenchard do bring in the Report of the Assessments set upon the Members of this House.

Malignants Property.

Ordered, That whatsoever Person shall harbour the Money, Plate, or other Goods, of any Malignant, or illaffected Person, liable to the Ordinance of Assessments, Sequestration, or other Payments or ways of raising Monies; and shall not discover the same Goods to be within their Power and Custody; shall be esteemed and used as ill-affected and malignant Persons.

Money for Army.

Ordered, That the Two hundred Pounds, now in the Hands of Mr. Rob. Mapes, of Norfolk, Collector of the Composition Monies for the King's Diet, in the said Country of Norfolk, be forthwith returned and paid into the Hands of Captain Johnson of Yermouth; to be by him paid to the Treasurers at Guildhall, London; and that the Eight hundred Pounds, Arrears of the said Composition Monies, remaining in the Hands of the several Head Constables, in the said County, be likewise forthwith paid into the Hands of the said Mr. Mapes, and by him paid to Captain Johnson of Yermouthe; to be by him forthwith paid over into the Hands of the Treasurers at Guildhall, as aforesaid: And that as well the said Two hundred Pounds, as the Eight hundred Pounds, as aforesaid, be, by the said Treasurers, paid forthwith into the Hands of Sir Gilbert Gerard Baronet, Treasurer at Wars; and by him paid, upon Account, unto Mr. White, Agent for the Lord Fairefax, for the Service of the Army under his Command, and to no other Use: And that this Order, together with the respective Acquittances of the Persons required to receive or pay by this Order, shall be a sufficient Warrant and Discharge to the said Mr. Mapes, the several High Constables, Captain Johnson, the Treasurers, and Mr. White, respectively, for what they shall either receive or pay, by virtue of this Order.

Atkyns' Composition.

Whereas Mr. Dacres is to pay Two hundred Pounds into the Court of Wards, for Part of a Composition for Mr. Richard Atkyns, a Ward, Son to Sir Henry Atkyns; for the Payment whereof he hath given a particular Bond to the Court of Wards, which remains upon the File there: It is Ordered, That the said Two hundred Pounds be paid, by the said Mr. Dacres, into the Hands of the Treasurers at Guildhall, and by them forthwith paid to the Treasurer at Wars; to be paid, upon Account, to Mr. White, Agent for the Lord Fairefaxe, for the Service of the Forces under the Command of the Lord Fairefaxe, and to no other Use: And that, upon the Payment of the said Two hundred Pounds by Mr. Dacres, to the Uses and Persons aforesaid, the Bonds entered into by him, to the Court of Wards, shall be . . . off the File, and delivered unto the said Mr. Dacres.

Preachers at Paul's Cross.

Ordered, That Mr. Vassall and Mr. Ven do bring in an Ordinance to enable the Lord Mayor to appoint Preachers to preach the Sermons, given by the Charity of well-disposed People, at Paul's Cross, or elsewhere.

Moseley's Sequestration.

Ordered, That the Name "Nicholas Moseley of the Autcoates, in the County of Lancaster," shall be inserted in a former Ordinance, for the seizing of the Goods and Estates of Francis and Nicholas Moseley; to the Intent that his Goods may be seized and employed according to the Intent of that Ordinance.

Absent Judges, &c.

Ordered, That all Monies, due to such Judges, Officers, and Clerks, in respect of their Places and Offices, that belong unto any of the Courts of Westminster, and are absent from their several Places, or Offices, shall be staid in the Hands of such Persons, as are or ought to pay the same; who are hereby required not to pay any of the said Monies to the Use of any such Judges, Officers, or Clerks.

And it is further Ordered, That all such Monies, as shall be so seized, shall be disposed of to Sir Arthur Hasilrig, for the Use of Sir Wm. Waller: And the Committee for Sequestrations, in Westminster, or London, are required to take special Care hereof.

St. Peter's Cornhill Minister.

Ordered, That Captain Richard Wollaston and Mr. George Henley, of the Parish of St. Peter's Cornhill, London, do appoint such orthodox Divines, as they shall think fit, to preach and officiate in the said Parish Church, during the Restraint of Dr. Fairfax; and do all other Things which the said Dr. Fairfax ought to do; and until this House do take further Order.

Ship Masts at Kinsale.

Upon Information, that there is a very great Want of Masts for the Use of his Majesty's Navy, here in England, whereof a Supply cannot be had so timely, as Occasion may require; and that there do now remain, in the Yards or Storehouses at Kinsale in Ireland, such Masts as are both necessary and useful for his Majesty's said Navy: It is therefere Ordered, by the Commons in Parliament, that all Officers, and others respectively, whom it concerns, at Kinsale aforesaid, and who have the Care and Custody of the Yards and Storehouses there, do deliver unto such Person or Persons, authorized by Captain Richard Crauley, Captain John Morris, Captain Roger Tweedy, Captain Fhines Pett, and Mr. John Holland, principal Officers and Commissioners of his Majesty's Navy here, or any Three of them, all such Masts out of the said Stores, as shall by them be sent for, to be brought for the Port of London: And, for the better Dispatch of this Service, the Officers and others at Kinsale are hereby strictly charged and commanded to give their best Assistance in putting them aboard such Ship, as shall be employed by the said Commissioners to fetch them for England.