House of Commons Journal Volume 4: 16 November 1646

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Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 4, 1644-1646. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.

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Die Lunæ, 16 Novembris, 1646.


MR. Miles Corbett reports the Amendments, Additions, and Alterations, to the Ordinance for the Payment of the Army under the Command of Sir Thomas Fairfax, from the First Day of October 1646, by a monthly Assessment.

The Question being propounded, Whether there shall be any Addition to the Committee of Warwickshire;

The House was divided.

Colonel Purefoy, Tellers for the Noe: 96.
Colonel Norton, With the Noe,
Sir Wm. Lewes, Tellers for the Yea: 82.
Mr. Knightley, With the Yea,

So as the Question passed with the Negative.

A Message from the Lords, by Doctor Aylett and Doctor Heath;

The Lords desire a present free Conference concerning the Matter of the last free Conference, concerning the Ordinance for Sale of the late Bishops Lands, presently, in the Painted Chamber, if it may stand with your Conveniency. They have commanded us.. bring you this Petition of the Lord Pawlett's: Which is especially recommended to you: This Petition of Captain Thomas Howell: A Report concerning the Gunners of the Ships the Providence and the Fellowship: To which they desire your Concurrence: A Report from the Committee of Lords and Commons of the Admiralty and Cinque-Ports, for one Henry Hubbert to be Master of the Attendance at Portesmouth: An Ordinance concerning Goldsmiths-Hall: To which they desire your Concurrence. They have commanded us to put you in mind of Mr. Hawkins' Petition: And that the Officers of Jernsey may be paid, that they may go hence to their Charge.

Resolved, &c. That this House will grant a free Conference, presently, upon the Matter of the late free Conference, as is desired.

Ordered, That the rest of the Particulars of this Message be taken into Consideration on this Day Sevennight.

Ordered, That the Persons appointed to be Managers and Reporters of the late free Conference, be likewise Managers and Reporters of this free Conference.

Ordered, That the Letters, in Mr. Speaker's Hands, sent from Ireland, be referred to the Committee at DerbyHouse for the Affairs of Ireland.

Ordered, That the House do proceed to take into further Consideration the Ordinance for the Payment of the Army under the Command of Sir Thomas Fairfax, the first Business, To-morrow Morning.

Answer returned by the same Messengers; That the House has considered their Lordships Message: And, as to the Granting of a free Conference presently, they do agree: And, as to the rest, they will send Answer by Messengers of their own.

Mr. Reynolds reports from the free Conference, That the Lords have passed the Ordinance for Sale of the late Bishops Lands, as they received it on Friday last: Only they do recommend Mr. Alderman Gibbes, and Mr. Alderman Fowke, to the Consideration of this House; but do insist upon Mr. Alderman Fowke, he being an Alderman of London; and the Salary allowed him for the Comptrol of the Receipts of Monies, arising by the Sale of the late Bishops Lands, being but Two hundred Pounds per Annum; whereas the Comptroller of the Excise hath Five hundred Pounds per Annum, and Sixty Pounds per Annum to all his Deputies besides.

He further reported, That the Lords do adhere to their Amendment in the Instructions for the Contractors: Which was, in the Eleventh Line, after the Word "under," and before the Word "Years," to put out the Word "Ten," and put in the Word "Eight:" For which they gave these Reasons: First, For the speedy Sale of them, that the Monies may be speedily raised by them: Secondly, That thereby they may be the better dispersed into several Hands: And, Thirdly, The Lords had considered of the Sales made of the Abbey-Lands by King Henry the Eighth; and did find, that those Lands were then sold at a far lower Rate, although those Times were Times of Peace.

The Lords Amendment was read: And

It is Resolved, &c. That this House doth adhere to the Instructions, as it went from hence: And that the Word "Ten" remain in the Instructions, as it went from hence: And this to be communicated to the Lords at a Conference.

Resolved, &c. That there be an additional Allowance of Three hundred Pounds per Annum allowed and paid unto Mr. Alderman Fowke, for his Salary for his Execution of the Place of Comptroller of the Receipts of Monies, mentioned in the Ordinance for the appointing the Sale of the late Bishops Lands, over ... above the Two hundred Pounds per Annum appointed by the said Ordinance.

The Lords Concurrence to be desired herein.

Ordered, That the Two Ordinances, concerning the Sale of the late Archbishops and Bishops Lands, be forthwith printed.