House of Commons Journal Volume 6: 2 September 1648

Die Sabbati, 2 Septembris, 1648.

Prayers.

Militia.

THE Grand Committee sat upon the Ordinance for settling the Militia of the whole Kingdom. Sir Robert Harley in the Chair.

Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair.

Upon Sir Robert Harley's Report from the Grand Committee;

It is Resolved, &c. That the Grand Committee do meet on Thursday Morning next, at Eight of Clock, to take into Consideration the Ordinance for settling the Militia of the whole Kingdom: And that Mr. Speaker do not take the Chair.

Revolted Ships.

A Letter from the Commissioners aboard the Admiral, of the last of August 1648, was this Day read.

A Letter from the Lord Admiral, of the One-andthirtieth Augusti 1648, was this Day read.

An inclosed Copy of the Prince's Summons to the Lord Admiral, together with the Lord Admiral's Answer to the said Summons, were all read.

The said Letter from the Lord Admiral, and the inclosed, were delivered to Sir Henry Vane junior, to be communicated to the Lords.

Navy Supply, &c.

An additional Ordinance for paying and issuing Fifty thousand Pounds, out of the Receipts of Goldsmiths Hall, for Supply of the Navy, furnishing the publick Stores, and paying some Lancasheir Forces, was this Day read; and, upon the Question, passed; and ordered to be sent unto the Lords for their Concurrence.

Mr. Green is appointed to carry it to the Lords.

Treaty with the King.

The Title to the Instructions for the Committees appointed to treat with the King was read; and, upon the Question, assented unto; viz.

Instructions for, &c. * * * nominated and appointed Committees by both Houses of Parliament to repair to Newport in the Isle of Wight; and there to treat personally with his Majesty upon Propositions for a safe and well-grounded Peace.

Message to Lords.

Sir John Potts carried them to the Lords for their Concurrence; and likewise the Votes concerning the Persons to be sent unto the King: Instructions for the Committee appointed to treat with the King: Order for publick Humiliation on the Twelfth of September, to seek a Blessing upon the Treaty: Order for Mr. Marshall, Mr. Vines, Mr. Seaman, Mr. Herle, to go with the Committees: Order for Fifty Pounds to buy Mr. John Rushworth a Couple of Geldings: Order for Ten Pounds to Hawksworth the Messenger that gave the Information from the Ships: Order for Twenty Pounds apiece to Hitchcocke and Carpenter: Order for Monies for Staffordsheir Horse: Order for a Collection for Great Farringdon: Order for Five hundred Prounds apiece to Sir Gerard Lowther, Sir Francis Willoughby, Sir Paul Davies.

Passes to the King.

Ordered, That the Persons voted to attend the King shall have Mr. Speaker's Passes, to go, if they shall desire them, with a competent Number of menial Servants only; such as they shall avow to be their menial Servants; and that they were so before this time.

French Trade.

Mr. Greene reports the Amendments to the Ordinance of laying an Imposition upon the French Trade: The which were twice read; and, upon the Question, assented unto: And the Ordinance, so amended, upon the Question, is ordered to be ingrossed; and to be read the Third time on Wednesday Morning next.

Delinquents Estates.

An Ordinance, reported from the Committee of the Navy, for discharging the Delinquencies of Sir John Strangwayes, and Giles Strangwayes his Son; and for discharging them from paying any Fifth, and Twentieth Part; was this Day read: And, the Time of the Payment of the Second Five thousand Pounds being appointed on the Fourteenth of October next, the Ordinance, so amended, upon the Question, passed; and is ordered to be sent unto the Lords for their Concurrence.

Navy.

Ordered, That the Committee of the Navy do give Order for setting forth Shipping for Guard and Defence of the Irish Coasts, not exceeding Two hundred Ton in all, to be accounted Part of the Winter Guard.

Irish Affairs

Ordered, That it be referred to the Committee for the Affairs of Ireland, at Derby House, to take into Consideration the State of the Affairs of Ulster, in regard of the Scotts Forces there, and of the Garisons that they keep in their Hands; they having sent Part of their Forces into this Kingdom in a hostile way.

Public Accompts.

Ordered, That the Sub Committee of Accompts at Coventry do forthwith state and certify the Accompts of Major Gamaliel Purefoy, to the Committee of Accompts for the whole Kingdom, sitting at London: And that the said Committee of Accompts do dispatch the said Accompts as soon as may be.

Letter from Col. Hamond.

A Letter from Colonel Robert Hamond, Governor of the Isle of Wight, from Carisbrooke Castle, of the 27 Augusti 1648, received on Tuesday last, and then read, was again read now, and taken into Consideration.

Resolved, &c. That this House doth approve of what Colonel Hamond, Governor of the Isle of Wight, hath done, in receiving the King's Engagement, in pursuance of the Instructions of both Houses to him in that Behalf.

Persons to attend the King.

Sir John Potts brings Answer, That the Lords do agree to the Names of the Persons voted to attend the King during the Time of the Treaty: To the rest, they will send Answer by Messengers of their own.

King's Security in Isle of Wight.

Resolved, &c. That this House doth declare, That the Latitude intended by those Words, "That the King shall be in the same State of Freedom as he was in at Hampton Court," is to be understood to be according to the Limitations in the last Instructions to the Governor of the Isle of Wight, and not otherwise.

Resolved, &c. That the Desires of the Governor of the Isle of Wight, in his Letter of the 27 Augusti, 1648, concerning Shipping for the Guard of the Isle of Wight, be referred to the Committee of the Navy; to represent the same to the Lord Admiral, that Care may be taken therein.

Ordered, That it be referred to the Committee at Derby House, to advise with the General, and the Committee of the Army; and to take Course for answering the Desire of the Governor of the Isle of Wight, in his Letter of 27 Augusti 1648, concerning Horse and Foot, desired by him for the Security and Defence of the said Isle.

Ordered, That it be referred to the Committee of the Revenue, to make Provision of Horses, and other Accommodations, for his Majesty's Riding abroad; and to consider of that Part of the Governor of the Isle of Wight's Letter, of the 27 Augusti 1648, touching Augmentation to be made to the former Allowance for Provision for the King's Family.

Resolved, &c. That Colonel Robert Hammond, Governor of the Isle of Wight, shall have Five hundred Pounds per Annum, paid him out of the Sequestration of such Delinquents Estate that shall be nominated by him, or his Agents, upon the new Engagement against the Parliament, until Five hundred Pounds per Annum be settled upon him, according to former Votes.

Resolved, &c. That the Vote of the House of Commons, of the 31 Decembris 1647, in these Words; viz.

"Resolved, &c. That Colonel Hammond, Governor of the Isle of Wight, be hereby authorized and injoined to secure the Person of the King within the Castle of Carisbrooke, until both Houses take further Order;" be and is hereby revoked and made void.

Resolved, &c. That the Two Orders of both Houses, of 1 Januarii 1647, concerning the present Safety and Security of the King's Person within Carisbrooke Castle, so far as they carry any Restraint of the King's Person within Carisbrooke Castle, be and are hereby revoked and made void.

The Lords Concurrence to be desired herein.

A prisoner to be brought up.

Resolved, &c. That the Body of Major Edmund Rolph, now Prisoner in the Gatehouse, be brought by the Keeper of the Gatehouse to the Bar of this House, on Monday Morning next, at Nine of Clock, and the said Keeper is hereby required to bring him at that time accordingly.

Persons committed.

Ordered, That Mr. Abraham Dowsett and Mr. Osborne be forthwith committed Prisoners to the Custody of the Serjeant at Arms attending on this House; there to remain Prisoner, until this House take further Order.

Poor.

Ordered, That the Reports and Petitions in divers Members Hands, concerning many distressed poor People, be made and considered on Tuesday next, peremptorily: And Mr. Speaker is to put the House in mind hereof.

Treaty with the King.

Ordered, That Mr. Wheeler do prepare and bring in an Ordinance for authorizing the Committee of both Houses, appointed for the Treaty with the King, to treat accordingly.

Advance to Nicholson.

Ordered, That the Sum of Fifty Pounds be forthwith paid, upon Account, unto * Nicholson, the Wife of Captain Lieutenant Edward Nicholson, deceased, in Part of his Arrears: And that the said Fifty Pounds be forthwith paid unto the said * Nicholson, or her Assignee, for the present Relief of her, and her Family, and for the Interrment of her said deceased Husband, by the Committee of Lords and Commons for Advance of Monies, usually sitting at Haberdashers Hall: And the present and instant Necessity of the said * Nicholson, and her Family, are specially recommended to the Consideration of that Committee.

The Lords Concurrence to be desired herein.

Message from Lords.

A Message from the Lords, by Mr. Page and Dr. Aylett;

The Lords return unto you these Instructions for the Committee appointed to treat with the King; with some Additions; in which they desire the Concurrence of this House: Likewise an Order for some Ministers to attend the Commissioners which go to the King, with an Addition; to which they desire the Concurrence of this House: A Paper touching Sir Peter Killigrew; and a Letter to be drawn up to that purpose: An Ordinance for Listing of Horse and Foot, for the City of London: To which the Lords agree, with an Alteration; and desire the Concurrence of this House.

The Lords desire to put this House in mind of the Petition of Colonel Edm. Temple: The Lords desire you to take into Consideration his great Losses, Sufferings, and Payment of his Arrears: And to put this House in mind of Monsieur Montereul' Pass; to which they desire the Concurrence of this House: An Order for a Pass for Monsieur Circourt: To which the Lords desire the Concurrence of this House.

The Lords commanded us likewise to put you in mind of the Petition of Mr. John Hooke, recommended by the Lords, to be Receiver of the First Fruits.

Their Lordships desire a Conference on Monday next, at Eleven of Clock, in the Painted Chamber, if it may stand with the Conveniency of this House, concerning Tatsall Castle, being the Earl of Lincolne's: And that they may offer, at the same Conference, something concerning Messages not answered.

Treaty with the King.

The Additions to the Instructions given to the Committee appointed to treat were read; and assented unto: And were only to put the Words "Two Lords," instead of these Words, "some of either House of Parliament," in the First Instruction in the Second Line, after the Word "whereof;" and likewise the Names of the Members of the House of Peers, nominated by them to treat; viz.

Algenon Earl of Northumberland.
Philip Earl of Pembroke and Montgomery.
William Earl of Salisbury.
James Earl of Middlesex.
William Lord Viscount Say and Seale.

The Addition to the Order for the Ministers appointed to go with the Committee was likewise read, and assented unto: And was only the Addition of Mr. Caryll to those Divines.

The Paper concerning Sir Peter Killigrewe was read; and agreed unto: And was, That Sir Peter Killigrew be speedily sent away to the King, to acquaint his Majesty, What Commissioners are appointed to attend him for the Treaty; and, in regard they cannot come within the Time before appointed, they will give their Attendance as soon as conveniently may be: And it is agreed, That a Letter to the King be prepared to this Purpose, and signed by Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Nathanael Fiennes, and Sir John Potts, are appointed to prepare this Letter.

Inlisting Horse.

The Alteration in the Ordinance for Inlisting of Horse and Foot for the City of London was read; and was, That the Word "or," after the Word "Committee," in the Second Page, Fifteenth Line, should be made "and," in that Clause that authorizeth those Forces to be sent forth. "According to such Directions as the Committee or Major General Skippon shall receive," &c. faith the Ordinance: The Lords would alter it, "according to such Directions as the Committee and Major General Skippon shall receive," &c.

The Question was propounded, For adhering to the Ordinance as it passed from hence:

And the Question being put, Whether this Question shall be put;

It passed with the Affirmative.

And then it was Resolved, upon the Question, to adhere to the Ordinance, as it passed from hence.

Mr. Scott, Colonel Venne, Mr. Miles Corbett, Mr. Francis Allen, Mr. Annesley, are appointed to prepare Reasons to be offered to the Lords at a Conference, for this House's adhering to the Ordinance for inlisting Horse and Foot, in the City of London, as it passed from hence.

Col. Temple's Claims.

A Copy of the Accompt of the Arrears due to Colonel Edmund Temple, certified by Gabriel Becke the Auditor, appointed to examine and state the Accompts of the Munster Officers, attested to be a true Copy by Edmund Pasmore, Clerk to the said Mr. Becke, was approved of; respiting one Third for a Surcharge: By which Accompt it appears, that there remains due unto the said Colonel Edm. Temple, for his Entertainment in the Service of the Parliament, including also the Third Part respited for Surcharge, the Sum of One thousand Five hundred Fifty Pounds Three Shillings.

Delinquents Estates.

Ordered, That the Sum of One thousand Pounds be paid unto Colonel Edmund Temple, or his Assignee, upon Account, in Part of the Arrears due unto him, upon his Entertainment in the Service of the Parliament, out of such Delinquents Estates, real and personal, not yet sequestred, as the said Colonel Edmund Temple shall nominate and discover unto the Committee of Lords and Commons, for Advance of Monies, usually sitting at Haberdashers Hall: And the said Committee are hereby authorized and required to proceed upon such Discoveries so made, and examine the Delinquencies of the Persons so nominated and discovered; and to take speedy and effectual Course, that the Estates of such Delinquents, so discovered, may be seized and sequestred: And that, out of the same, the said Sum of One thousand Pounds be forthwith paid to the said Colonel Edmund Temple, or his Assignee, as aforesaid.

The Lords Concurrence to be desired herein.

Answer to Lords.

Resolved, &c. That the House will send Answer by Messengers of their own, to that concerning Monsieur Montereul's Pass, to go to the King; concerning the Order for a Pass for Monsieur Circourt, to go to the King; to that concerning the Petition of Mr. John Hooke, recommended by the Lords to be Receiver of the First Fruits; and to that part of the Conference desired, concerning Messages not answered.

Col. Legg.

Ordered, That it be referred to the Committee for the Articles of Oxon, to consider of the Grounds and Reason of the Restraint laid upon Colonel William Legg: And therein they are likewise to consider Oxford Articles: And are to meet upon it on Monday next; and to report with all convenient Speed.

Treaty with the King.

Sir John Potts reports the Draught of a Letter, to be sent to his Majesty by Sir Peter Killigrew, to acquaint him with the Names of the Commissioners appointed to treat with his Majesty: The which was read; and, upon the Question, assented unto; and ordered to be signed by Mr. Speaker.

Col. Temple, &c.

Ordered, That on Wednesday Morning next, the Information, brought in hither by Colonel Temple and Captain Love, touching some Passages of Agreement between the Scots and the Lord Inchiquin, be read; and that then the House do take into Consideration the Losses, Sufferings, and Services of Colonel Edmund Temple, and Captain Love: And that then likewise the Accompts of Captain Scott be reported; and his Arrears, Sufferings, and Services, considered.

Receiver of First Fruits.

Ordered, That Mr. John Wheler be, from this House, in especial manner, recommended and referred to the Committee of the Revenue, to have the Place of Receiver of the First Fruits.

Answer, &c. to Lords.

Resolved, &c. That this House doth agree to that Part of the Conference, desired by the Lords, touching the Earl of Lincolne's Castle of Tatshall: To the other Part, concerning Messages not answered, they will send Answer by Messengers of their own.

Ordered, That, on Monday Morning next, Sir Robert Harley do go to the Lords, to acquaint them with the Reason this House does not agree to that Part of the Conference desired concerning Messages not answered, in respect of the Generality of the Expressions: And is then to desire a Conference on the Part of this House, touching the Alterations to the Ordinance concerning listing Forces in the City of London, and Liberties thereof.

Bristoll.

Ordered, That, on Monday Morning next, the Reports in Sir Robert Harleye's Hands, concerning some Bristoll People, be considered.

Dorset Militia.

Ordered, That, on Monday Morning next, the Ordinance in Sir Walter Erle's Hand, for Maintenance of the Militia in Dorsetsheire be read.

Prisoners of War.

Ordered, That, on Monday Morning next, Colonel Moore make Report concerning the Scotts Prisoners taken in the North: And then likewise the House is to consider of the Prisoners taken at Colchester.

Answer to Lords.

Answer returned by the same Messenger; That this House has considered their Lordships Message; and do agree to the Addition to the Instructions for the Commissioners; to the Addition of Mr. Caryle to the Ministers; to the Paper touching Sir Peter Killigrew; and have passed a Letter to the Purpose thereof: To that Part of the Conference desired on Monday next, concerning the Earl of Lincolne's Castle of Tatsall; to the other Part of that Conference, concerning Messages not answered; to the Petition of Colonel Edm. Temple; which they have taken into Consideration; to the Alteration in the Ordinance for inlisting Horse and Foot, in the City of London; to the Pass for Mons. Montereul; to the Order for Mons. Circourt's Pass; and to the Petition of Mr. John Hooke, recommended to the Place of Receiver of the First Fruits; they will send Answer by Messengers of their own.