Letters and Papers: October 1539, 16-20

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Letters and Papers, Foreign and Domestic, Henry VIII, Volume 14 Part 2, August-December 1539. Originally published by Her Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1895.

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October 1539

16 Oct.
R. O.
I beg you to remember my farm of Holworthe, which I had by lease from the late abbey of Milton. Since I saw you I hear it is or shall be passed to Sir Thomas Poynynges; for it is already put into the value among such lands as he shall have of the King. Without your aid I shall be suddenly put from it, to my great hindrance as it adjoins my house. Devellysshe, 16 Oct.
P. 1. Add.: Privy Seal. Endd.
16 Oct.
R. O.
Has received Cromwell's letters for him to grant, under convent seal, to Sir Edward Beynton, the herbage and pannage, "with the custody of the same," of Cowfold Park and Westpark. All the other demesnes having been leased out in his predecessor's time, he will not be able to maintain hospitality; even with the two parks, he has to spend 200 marks a year on grain and cattle. Desires Cromwell will urge Mr. Beynton to be contented with like profit Mr. Harmond and others have had. Malmesbury, 16 Oct. Signed.
P. 1. Add.: Lord Privy Seal. Endd.
17 Oct.
R. O.
The mayor of Rye disobeys the letters you and my lord Warden wrote about the sale of the King's fish, and has informed all the fishermen that, through my complaint, they will have no longer any market at Rye unless they sell fish for little or naught. The mayor and others have ridden to my lord Warden to complain of me, and without your help I shall be able to get no fish for the King. I could bring the fishermen to a reasonable price, but that the mayor encourages them to the contrary. 17 Oct.
Hol., p. 1. Add.: Sir William Kyngston, knight and comptroller of the King's house. Endd.
17 Oct.
Wilkins, III.,
Admonition by John, bp. of Exeter, notifying that artificers and labourers, for lack of spiritual instruction, leave their work every Saturday after the right custom and usage of the Jews, from noon till evensong, fishermen will not go to fish on certain Saints' days which be now abrogated, shoesmiths will not shoe a horse on St. Lewis' Day, nor will carriers carry "hay and other things necessary to the use of man"; all which superstitions are maintained for lack of good instruction by the curates. The archdeacon is to warn all curates to declare to the parishioners that these abuses are contrary to the commandment of the Sabbath Day and to the King's injunctions, and that all who do not do their utmost to remove the aforesaid errors shall be punished. 17 Oct. 1539, 31 Hen. VIII., consec. 20.
17 Oct.
R. O.
According to the information he gave Cromwell when last with him, encloses articles touching the misdemeanours of John Massye. West Chester, 17 Oct.
Hol., p. 1. Add.: Lord Privy Seal. Endd.
17 Oct.
R. O.
Since the death of her lord and husband, she and her children have lived on what they could borrow from their friends. Daily some of her husband's creditors call upon her for debts which she will never be able to pay unless aided by the profits of the lands which her husband left for that purpose and for the preferment of his children. Begs Cromwell not to be displeased with her incessant clamour for the same; extreme poverty constrains her to it. Skelton, 17 Oct. Signed.
P. 1. Add.: Privy Seal. Endd.: The lady Conyers.
17 Oct.
R. O.
I have received your letter, with three roszinboz. I am ashamed to be so highly rewarded for such a little thing, for I fear my little present was quite destroyed in the hand of the carrier when you received it. If you will allow me I will send another, which I will get made there for your sake. I cannot merit the kindnesses you do me daily. You ask news of Madame de Bours. It is more than a year since I saw her, and before my departure from Dunkirk I sent your letter on by a merchant of Abbeville to Madame de Bours. He promised to deliver it. I have not seen him since, but he wrote to another merchant that he would be at Dunkirk about All Saints. Madame de Riou sent a woman to me, who brought a letter stating that she was waiting for Mons. de Rion, who (laquel for lequel) had been at Court for three months. He had written to her that on his return he would pass by the lodging of Mons. de Langier, who has married the eldest daughter of the said Madame de Riou, whom she had by the late Mons. du Pont de Remy, and would bring his stepdaughter along with him, who had been for seven years separated from her mother. They are returned from Turin. I perceive she wrote in very high spirits, saying she wished she had me with her, to rejoice with her. I expect that she and her daughter are now together at Pont de Remy. I am told Mons. de Bours is marrying there (y se marie). I don't know whether the wedding has taken place. Dunkirk, eve of St. Luke.
I have half a dozen men's bonnets ("de bonnes pour homme"). If you wish to have them I will send them.
Fr. Hol., p. 1. Add.
17 Oct.
Poli Epp.,
II. 200.
Arrived safely at Verona on the 15th, and found his letters of 1 Oct. with the grateful news of His Holiness' licence to Pole to remain here until Christmas. Has written to Card. Farnese to thank his Holiness, and asks Contarini to do the same. Will stay here this winter enjoying the solitude and the goodness of this most worthy bishop. His abode will be at the White Monks, a very beautiful place. Verona, 17 Oct. 1539.
18 Oct.
R. O.
The King orders him to view his house there called the Exchequer, and have it properly repaired. Is to examine the streets round it with a view to paving them. The whole town is to be put in cleanly order. (fn. 1) London, 18 Oct. Signed.
P. 1. Add. to Lisle, "and the rest of the [King's] Grace's [Council] there." Endd.
18 Oct.
R. O.
I send by bearer, Davy, master of Philip Crayer's ship, the liveries in five cloths and the remnants of the two cloths cut here. The canvas the cloths are packed in is very good, and should be saved. My lord Privy Seal's counsel have not yet engrossed the fines. They await my lady Dudley's coming. Mrs. Karkett sends a barrel of quinces. London, 18 Oct.
Hol., p. 1. Add.
18 Oct.
R. O.
349. THOMAS BYRCHET, Mayor of Rye, to CROMWELL.
I have received from your Lordship two letters of the complaint of Peter Growt, James Johnson, John Gylmer, and Anthony Nysaunt, that they should be sued and troubled out of malice. They, contrary to the statutes, have taken certain mansions wherein they have exercised to their own uses the arts of "knitting and beting of nettes, eysyng and cuyng" of lines for fishing, and other handycrafts, to the loss of our English mariners and fishermen and increase of aliens among us. The other aliens, as Frenchmen and Flemings, which do not use the science of fishing, lie in wait to prevent Englishmen from their living; buying and "setting prises" on merchandise coming out of their coasts, and conveying things out of this realm. At the muster in this little town of Rye at Easter last, when it was noised that the Romanists, our enemies, would have invaded this realm, there were above 100 aliens in the town, albeit some were denizens. For minishing of which number of aliens the suit was taken, and we mean only service to the King. Rye, 18 October.
Hol., p. 1. Endd.: "To my L.P.S."
18 Oct.
R. O.
In answer to his letters in the King's behalf for taking an examination of the matter in variance between Dr. Eggeworth, prebendary of Slape, and his tenants; heard the parties, at Cerne, on 27 Sept.; found Dr. Eggeworth comformable, but the tenants' demands unreasonable. Send the whole matter, in writing, by bearer. 18 Oct. Signed.
P. 1. Add.: Lord Privy Seal. Endd.
18 Oct.
R. O.
On the 16th I received your letters dated the 4th of this month, showing that, in your former letters, you wished me to remit the matter between Lady Smyth and Massy, Esquire, as it doth depend before your Lordship in the Starred Chamber. I cannot remember receiving any such letters heretofore. We shall now supersedere until your further mind be known. Massy is "above" already, whom the matter principally touches, which is but for title of a lease, and has the orders of this Council by Mr. Sulyard made. As it touches my brother, (fn. 2) for whom I beg your favour, I do not meddle in it. Mountgomery Castle, 18 Oct. Signed.
P. 1. Add. Endd.: Concerning Massy.
18 Oct.
R. O.
St. P. III.
The bp. of Kildare (fn. 3) is dead. Recommend as his successor, Wm. Meagh, dean of Kildare, whom I, the abp. of Dublin, have examined and find fitting. Camp beside Dundalk, 18 Oct. Signed: Leonard Gray—George Dublin.—Jenico vicunt of G.—J. F., B off Slane—P. Barnewall of Trymleteston—John Plunket lorde of Kyllen—Robt. P. of Dunsany—John Alen, yor Maties Chauncelere—Will'm Brabazon—Gerald Aylmer, justice—Thomas Lutrel, justice.—Patryke Whyte, barone.
18 Oct.
R. O.
Is glad to learn by Mr. Bekynsall of the good health of his lordship and my Lady his wife. Sends a packet, just received, ... for my lord Privy Seal on matters touching the King. The French king has been diseased, and has not come abroad for four or five days. "Ye know this time of the year putteth such men in remembrance how they have spent their youth." Rumours have got abroad of great amity likely to succeed between the Emperor and the French king, and of a meeting to be shortly between them; "yet, except the matters of Flanders compelleth too sore, I think the Emperor will be loth to take now so painful a journey." The French king's departure hence is uncertain. Is "glad ... hath been, with other, so favourably entertained in England"; which has been much to the King's honour and yours. Compiegne, 18 Oct.
Hol., mutilated, p. 1. Add.: My lord Lisle, lieutenant and deputy of Calais. In the absence of his lordship to the worshipful and good Sir John Wallop, knight, for the King's Majesty's affairs.
19 Oct.
R. O.
I received, today, a letter from Mrs. Katharine Basset, containing one for you, which I send enclosed. Your ladyship will perceive her request. I would the despatch lay in me, and there would be no need of suit in that behalf. London, 19 October.
Hol., p. 1. Add.
19 Oct.
R. O.
St. P. III.,
The lord Deputy, setting at naught the counsels of the King's Council here, and trusting only in Geraldines, has brought his "sensual appetites and wilful proceedings" to such a pass, that O'Nell and O'Donell, with young Gerald, are confederated against him. James FitzJohn of Desmond, to whom the Deputy has given all the strength of Munster, has joined them, and practises to gain over O'Brien. The Lord Chancellor and others of the Council wrote to Ormond to make peace with Desmond, and go to aid the Deputy in the North. Sent the abp. of Casshell to treat for it, and a meeting of the writer and Desmond was fixed for the 16th, but broken by Desmond. The Deputy is so "bestad" by the insurrection in the North, that he can send no help to Ormond, who is so "tangled" with Desmond on one side and the McMorwes on the other, that he cannot go to aid the Deputy.
Hears that the Deputy, in this perplexity, has sent accusations to the King against him. Begs that his answer may be heard. Wrote at the beginning of the month, but the vessel which carried the letters has been driven back by stress of wind. They were advising aid to be sent both to the Deputy and to Cork and Youghal. Never saw greater need. The bp. of Kildare, who had the priory of Connall is dead. Thos. Eustace, lord of Kilcollen, makes suit for the priory for his son. Recommends him. 19 October. Signed.
Add.: Lord Privy Seal.
19 Oct.
R. O.
When we wrote to the King, we had very little time to write to you. We have now obtained of the Queen [of Hungary] a safeconduct for our mistress that shall be, with a reasonable number to accompany her, through Flanders, so that we hope that she will soon be at Calais. The Ganteners continue in rebellion. The bailly of Gant came last night to this Court, for what cause we know not, but since his coming there has been some assembly of horsemen. Brussels, 19 October.
We request you to communicate this to Mr. Wallope. Signed.
P. 1, in St. Leger's hand. Add.
19 Oct.
Poli Epp. II.
Wrote that they intended to make their abode in the monastery, because a great part of the Bishop's house was occupied by the Prince of Urbino. Now the Prince has left, so they will stay in the Bishop's house. Asks pardon if he keeps Ludovicus with him until his return to Rome. Verona in ædibus Episc., 19 October 1539.
For the signing of the letters to Clevys. For Stephyn's (fn. 4) bill to be also Signed. For the order to be taken for the transporting and meeting of the lady Anne.
In Cromwell's hand, p. 1.
20 Oct.
R. O.
Deposition of Thos. Reygate, smith, and Ric. Forest, husbandman.
That in May last, at Crafford, in Kent, in Ric. Fayreman's house, one Lyons asked if Giles Heron were there, adding that Heron had put him out of his farm, and if he lived, he would displease him. He endeavoured to hire Thos. Torner to assist him against Heron, before my lord Privy Seal, saying that as he was now in the Fleet a little complaint would take effect. Signed (with marks) by Wm. Upchurche, constable, and three others of Shoreditch without Bishopsgate, 20 Oct. 31 Hen. VIII.
P. 1. Endd.
20 Oct.
B. x. 120.
B. M.
"Of France, I cannot tell you much, for e[very thing] passeth very secret. I think the King is at thi[s time] at Paris, and this Court have him in great so ... and it seemeth to them that the duke of Cleves co[uld] never have concluded the marriage with your King [if the] French king have not favoured him in it, [for] the marriage displeaseth them very sore. The ambassadors of Cleves that was there in Yn[gland] deidde retowrne and they have sent here for ... to put them in order; whereby it may be ... that they shall shortly pass there." The duchess of Milan shall marry the prince of Araun[ches]; at least the thing will be entertained till the Emperor come. It is thought that he will come "this summer" and there is frequent news of it out of Spain, and that he will come by Italy and Allmain. Indeed, his coming is very necessary, for, as I have told you, in Spain he could not get a penny, in Italy, what with famine and ill-will, he is afraid of "novityes and mutynachi[ons]," and in Flanders "without his person w[ill be] nothing done." Guanto and towns nigh it are up and others only wait occasion. The Regent tried to borrow money of the merchant strangers and could not. The new restraint of corn is made in hope of a great "pot of wine" from the merchants; but they will not be so unwise, for they doubt "the merchandise should not after go safe." Thus this Court is bare of money and much more so, for his degree, is the Emperor.
The treasurer Babo, Frenchman, has been here five or six days under colour of buying tapestry, but he is no man to be here for things of little importance. Your King is universally commended for his good governance, and for having taken England out of the rule of prelates. If other princes imitated him and the clergy attended to their "horachions" there would not be so many errors caused by their evil nature and naughty life. People seeing their authority minished in England and Germany have hope elsewhere "and specially for because that * * * (one or two lines gone) it seemeth the French king to have set c ... things forward, which is believed shall be the evyn ... the same feast." The Emperor does not do it because he is sworn to certain privileges of the Spanish nobles. Former wars between bishops of Rome and Emperors have not been with the See Apostolic, and there are many good benefices in Spain with which brothers and kinsmen of the nobles are provided. Speaking with persons of authority about the marriage of Cleves, although it displeases them, they say your King had better not have meddled with marriage, which peradventure might [do] to him "as it hath done to the king of P ...," who is here indebted 6,000l. or 8,000l. costing him 15 and 16 the 100.
Since writing the above, has been at Guanto, where things are worse than he thought. The great bailiff whom the people had chosen for their head has fled to Brug[es], and they are now without a head.
Pp. 3. Slightly injured by fire. Headed: From Amthwerp, 20 Oct.
20 Oct.
R. O.
Kaulek, 136.
Has been very ill (symptoms given), but is now better and hopes soon to be quite well. Lately, sent Marillac a letter which he wrote to the king of England, desiring him to allow his subjects to send grain to France, as Francis has done to England when there has been scarcity. Has as yet no reply. Begs Marillac to declare by earliest despatch how much grain the King will allow. Compiegne, 20 Oct. 1539.
French. Modern transcript, pp. 2.
20 Oct.
Ribier I.,475.
Arrived here some days after the Pope had left for Loretto, and, by command of the ambassador, went to him at Camerino. The Pope after reading Francis' letter, said he had noticed that Francis was not so friendly as he had been. Replied that the matters of the abbey of Aute-combe (Hautecombe) and the ecclesiastical jurisdiction of Savoy and Piedmont were only debated to maintain Francis' rights, and that as soon as Francis saw the Pope intended no prejudice to these rights he granted them. The Pope showed himself much relieved, and said he had feared Francis was irritated by the Nuncio's proposals about the universal truce with the Turk, and the practice of England. He had done nothing but by way of advice.
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Rome, 20 Oct. 1539.


  • 1. For the reception of Anne of Cleves.
  • 2. Sir George Lee ? See Vol. XIII., Part I., Nos. 1231–2.
  • 3. Walter Wellesley.
  • 4. Probably Stephen a Haschenperg. See Grants in October, No. 33.