Henry VIII: November 1542, 21-25

Letters and Papers, Foreign and Domestic, Henry VIII, Volume 17, 1542. Originally published by Her Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1900.

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November 1542, 21-25

21 Nov.
R. O. [Spanish Calendar, VI. II., No. 80.]
1109. Chapuys to the Queen Of Hungary.
Received yesterday her letters of the 16th, and has this morning sent to the King to know when the communication may be renewed. Begs her to remember his private affair. There seem to remain in the direction (cartier) of Scotland only 6,000 men of war, of whom lord Lyl, who was called Mr. Dodele, will be one of the principal captains. The duke of Norfolk will be here shortly; who is a little too French, and may embroil our affairs. London, 21 Nov. 1542.
French. Modern transcript from Vienna, pp. 2.
21 Nov.
Longleat MS. Hamilton Papers,I. lxxv.
1110. Hertford to the Council.
Espials agree that on Sunday last the King of Scots proclaimed at Edinburgh and elsewhere, that all gentlemen and their servants should meet him last night at Lowder with victuals for 40 days. Thinking they intend some notable exploit, has taken order for defence of Wark, proclaimed that all on these Marches shall be ready at an hour's warning with victuals for four days, sent to my lords of Durham, Westmoreland, and Cumberland to put their powers in like readiness, and warned Wharton for the surety of Carlisle. Has given orders that if the Scots invade with any great power the corn shall be burnt and the cattle driven off before them; and that the Scots shall be skirmished with at passages and straits until the King's power assembles here. On Saturday was se'nnight (fn. 1), sent Somerset herald and Berwick pursuivant with Norfolk's letters to the king of Scots, for the prisoners; but they are still delayed in Edinburgh for their answer, to prevent their bringing news of proceedings,a sign that the Scots intend some annoyance. As yet hears of the coming of no men from Yorkshire and Durham to the garrisons, save Sir Thos. Hilton with 100, Sir Wm. Bulmer with 50, Rauff Bulmer with 100, and Geo. Bowis with 100. Marvels at this, seeing those here so ill horsed.
Draft. Endd. : The copy of a letter sent to the Council, xxj Novembris.
21 Nov.
R. O.
1111. Lord Maltravers and Ant. Rous to the Council.
Upon their letters of the (blank) inst., have enquired whether the bailiffs of Guisnes have been accustomed to take any duty of butin, sold by strangers. Find that by an old custom renewed by lord Sandes, the bailiff stays such butin for 24 hours, to see whether any cattle of the King or any privileged person is among it. As in frank fairs here, the bailiff should take 2 stivers for a horse, 1 stiver for a cow or ox, 1d. gr. for swine and d. gr. for sheep; but some bailiffs have taken more, and others (as Hugh Poole and others who have been vice-bailiffs depose) nothing. Have, with the advice of Sir John Wallop, taken order that the bailiff shall keep such butin 24 hours, and take the sums above rehearsed. Calais, 21 Nov. Signed.
Pp. 2. Add. Endd. : ao xxxiiijo.
21 Nov.
Royal MS., 18 B. VI., 146b. B. M. Theiner, 614.
1112. James V. to Paul III.
Begs him to advance his chamberlain, John Danyelstoun, to the archdeaconry of Dumblane, void this month by the decease of John Chesholme. Edinburgh, 21 Nov. 1542.
Lat. Copy, p. 1.
B. M.
1113. James V. to Cardinal Carpi.
To forward the above suit. Edinburgh, 21 Nov. 1542.
Lat. Copy, p. 1.
22 Nov.
R. O. [Spanish Calendar. VI. II., No. 81.]
1114. Chapuys to Charles V.
On the 2nd inst. wrote amply of news here, and of all that passed touching the closer amity while the Sieur de Corrierez was here, the effect of which is contained in the annexed bill. Since then, has had no occasion to go to Court; but, twice or thrice, when he has sent a servant thither, the bp. of Winchester has always anxiously (songnieusement) asked if Chapuys had answer from the Queen, showing great desire to conclude the affairs. The other deputies (fn. 2) and the Council have shown no such desire. Has just received the Queen's said answer, she would desire the Emperor's commands to be carried out exactly, but, considering the necessity of affairs and fear of other practices, she thought that, if the King would not wait for the Emperor's answer to Chapuys's letters of the 2nd, the treaty might be made in accordance with the said bill, as much in the Emperor's favour as possible. London, 22 Nov. 1542.
French. Modern transcript from Vienna, pp. 2.
22 Nov.
Longleat MS. Hamilton Papers, I. lxxiv.
1115. Sir Wm. Evers to Hertford.
As to the credence Hertford sent by Ralph Bulmer and the captain of Norham, 1st, that he wished a raid made to Eccles on Friday next, thinks the Scots will be in England before that, or will have laid garrisons, or else the water will be so great that evil horses cannot pass the Tweed. And, 2ndly, where Hertford would have the frontier garrisons withdraw, if attacked, to places of strength; Etill, Forde, Fenton and such strong houses can defend themselves until rescue come, and Evers will warn the other garrisons as Hertford requires. Those who dwell on the frontier shall be ordered to warn Hertford of any inroad of Scots, and to withdraw their cattle and goods. Has already warned all to be ready at an hour's warning by beacon, and keep sure watches upon Tweed and Till. This night at 11 o'clock an espial showed George Dowglas that the king of Scots will be this night in Murus or Selkrege and all lords and gentlemen come this day from Edinburgh to him. Olyver Synkler, of his Council, is this night in Hume with lord Hume and the gentlemen of the Marsse; and the gentlemen of Tyvidaile are gone to the King. To-morrow night they will come into England in two hosts, one on the West Marches upon Esk and Levyne, the other upon the Coket water or Glendale. Thinks Hertford should send to Robt. Collynwodd and John Horseley to put Cukdale in readiness, and to George Herrone to draw Tyndale and Ryddisdale to Harbottle with speed. Also to watch the beacons of Symountsyde and other places. Berwick, 22 Nov. 1 a.m. Signed.
Add. : lord Warden. Endd. : 22 Nov.
22 Nov.
Longleat MS. Hamilton Papers, I. lxxvi.
1116. Robert Raymont and John Car to Hertford.
Received his letters last night, and will this day and to-morrow put things in readiness. Can get no carriage from Barwyke at Mr. Lawson's hands, who says he sent Hertford all the horses he had of the King's. Received a letter from the captain of Barwyke at 12 o'clock to-day, reporting that the Scots would be in the East Marches or in Cowkdale this night, and desiring news. Mr. Care doubted whether that might be done, considering Hertford's proclamation against speaking with Scots; but, by advice of Mr. Utryd and Raymont, he sent for a Scotsman, who came to Warke at 10 o'clock this night, and certified that the King of Scots went this day from Pepylles to Awyke, intending to send 9,000 men to invade the Cremys (Grahams) in the West Marches, and not now meddle with these East parts. Warke, 22 Nov. 1542. Signed.
Written in the first person by Raymont. Add. : lord Warden. Endd. : Rec. 23 Nov.
23 Nov.
Longleat MS. Hamilton Papers, I. lxxvii.
1117. Hertford to the Council.
The king of Scots, at his last being in Edinburgh, charged his lords and servants with being faint-hearted, because they had not, at his desire, set upon the rearward of the King's army (as Hertford wrote) or devastated Northumberland. To pacify him, they promised that, before the light of this moon ended, they would do exploits which should content him; and upon this they have assembled all their servants and friends [14,000 or 15,000 men]. (fn. 3) The King lay Tuesday night at Murous (altered from Pebles) or Selkerigge, with the Cardinal, Murrey, and other lords. Oliver Seyntclere went that night to Home castle, and met the gentlemen of the Merse; while Tevydale went to Murous to the King. John Barton is preparing two ships of war. On Wednesday night Hertford's espial reported that the Scots would enter in two hosts, one between Esk and Leven and the other on the Cokket or in Glendale. This morning the captain of Berwick writes that 2,000 Scots came on Tuesday night to Prymsid Gates in Tevidale; but turned back on perceiving that these parts had warning by Hertford's proclamation to resist them, and meant this night to burn Etell and Foorde. Thereupon Angwishe, Geo. Douglas, Sir Ralph Eure, Ralph Bulmer and others of the garrisons issued out of Berwick last night at 11 o'clock. Hears to-day from Warke, from Raymond and Carre, that the Scots will divert their whole power upon Esk and Levene, and not into the East and Middle Marches.
None of these bruits are to be trusted, and he has taken measures, as he wrote in his last, to resist and annoy the Scots. At the despatch of this there was no news of any enterprise by the Scots. Alnwick, 23 Nov. 3 p.m.
Draft. Endd. : The copy of a letter to the Council 23 Nov. Another to Master Wriothesley.
23 Nov.
Add. MS., 32, 648 f. 154. B. M. Hamilton Papers, No. 239.
1118. Hertford to Wriothesley.
Upon his letters for provision to be made for Lord Lisle's horse, has laid in a garner 80 qr. of beans. Hay and oats are not to be got. The horses on these Borders are fed on straw, which, because the corn was not inned dry, is musty, so that many die daily and the rest are little worth. Unless provision be shortly made from the South no garrison can continue here. Alnwick castle, 23 Nov.
In his own hand :At closing this, I received a letter from the Council and one from my lord Privy Seal, showing that my wife is ill. I pray you send and comfort her. Signed.
P. 1. Add. Endd. : ao xxxiiijo.
23 Nov.
Longleat MS. Hamilton Papers, I. lxxix.
1119. Sir Thomas Wharton to Hertford.
On the 22nd inst., at 10 p.m., received Hertford's, dated Alnwick the 21st, with the proclamation, which is proclaimed. On the 23rd, at 7 p.m., received his of the 22nd, signifying that the Scots intended to waste Heske and Leven. Having intelligence of great assemblies in Scotland, and considering the light of this moon, wrote secretly on the 18th for all gentlemen of the West Marches to be at Carlisle on the 22nd after sunset. Meant next day, Thursday, to burn Middlebie, 8 miles within Scotland, and lay a bushment for lord Maxwell (being at Loughmaben) and the Anerdalles and another for Robert Maxwell, who lay at Langholme tower. Left Carlisle by 9 o'clock, and was at Cloose Gap, the meeting place, by 12 at night. Sundry gentlemen of Westmoreland, who had been warned by the earl of Cumberland to be ready to garrison Northumberland, and some of lord Dacre's tenants, kept not their appointment; so that the purpose could not be carried out, but they burned "the said town standing near a strength of wood," and returned, burning houses and corn upon Kirtill to Carlisle.
Encloses names of gentlemen with him in Carlisle. By beacons (fired at Carlisle this night at 8 p.m.) and messages, puts the West Marches in readiness. News has just come from John Musgrave at Bewcastle of a great assembly at Long Hollyn, 4 miles from Bewcastle and Heske, and that the King of Scots repaired this night to the Castle of Mylke, not 20 miles from Carlisle. Carlisle, Thursday, 12 p.m.
P.S.An espial reports that two powers of Scotland will invade this Friday morning, with wallets. Two great powers were seen this night at 10 p.m., one at Long Hollyn and the other at "Murton kirke in the side of Batable."
ii. Names of the gentlemen in Carlisle, 24 Nov. :Sir Thos. Wharton, Sir Wm. Musgrave, Sir Thos. Curwen, Sir John Lowther, Sir Jas. Layburne, Walter Strikland, Wm. Pennyngtone, John Leighe, Thos. Sandfurth, Cuthb. Huton, Thos. Dacre, Edw. Aglonby, Ant. Duket, John Warcope, John Prestone, Chr. Crakenthorpe, Ric. Eglesfeld, Gilb. Wharton, Thos. Dalstone, mayor of Carlisle, Lancelot Lancaster, Cuthb. Huton, Lancelot Lowther, Alex. Apulby.
24 Nov.
Dasent's A.P.C., 54.
1120. The Privy Council.
Meeting at Hampton Court, 24 Nov. Present : Canterbury, Norfolk, Suffolk, Russell, Winchester, Westminster, Cheyney, Gage, Browne, Wingfield, Wriothesley, Dacres. No business recorded.
24 Nov.
Add. MS. 32, 648 f. 156. B. M. Hamilton Papers, No. 240.
1121. Sir Wm. Musgrave to Sir Ant. Browne.
On the 24th inst. a great army of Scotland, numbering 18,000, entered these Marches, and burnt the Graimes's houses upon Esk and in the Debateable Ground. Master Warden, the writer, and all other gentlemen of these marches made speed towards them with 3,000 men at the most; sending Thos. Dacre, Jac of Musgrave and other Border spears to prick at them, while the rest, putting away their horses, marched up on foot within two arrow shot of the enemies to give battle. At this the noblemen and gentlemen of Scotland lighted off their horses; but the multitude durst not give battle, so they mounted again. Then the writer's brother Simon Musgrave, Jac Musgrave, and others of his rule, and the Graimes "pricked sore at them, Thomas Dacre with the men of Gillesland, and John Leigh, with the barony of Brough standing in a flieng stadle," and as the footmen marched forward, the Scots withdrew softly, until Jac Musgrave and others aforenamed, with the writer's cousin Ayglyoinby, set on them and struck down many, and the rest fled over Esk. Lord Maxwell and other noblemen and courtiers lighted at the waterside and fought valiantly, but were taken prisoners. The horsemen of England took from two to five prisoners each, and also 5 fawcons, 5 demifacons, and many half hakes. It is thought that Lord Flemyng is taken, and the lord of Lowhenveure drowned. Over a thousand of their best men are taken or slain. Never saw goodlier personages. The Graimes and others who follow, will this night take many more; for they are past resisting, and, having left their victual and wallets behind, are like to famish ere they come home. Cannot report what other noblemen and gentlemen are taken, for most of the prisoners are not yet brought in. Trusts Browne will declare these pleasant tidings to the King, and take in good part this first knowledge of them. Of Englishmen only Robt. Briscow, a pensioner, and one Dogeson, a yeoman, are dead as yet. Begs help for his brother Simon, or cousin Ric. Musgrave to have Briscow's pension. Yesterday Master Warden and the writer, with 2,000 men, went into Scotland and tarried in a bushment within half a mile of Mydleby, while the writer's men, under Jac Musgrave, burned eight "great dwelling places called unsettes, and all their corn." Other gentlemen, as Thos. Dacre and John Leigh, were appointed to go, but had not forty men there. All the Graimes were there, but they burned not. Two other "unsettes" were burnt. Sends a bill of articles "exploict in Scotland" by Jac Musgrave, since 20 Oct., with other letters. Credence for bearer, who took two prisoners in the chase.
Copy, pp. 3. Headed : "Copy of Sir William Musgrave's letter to Sir Anthony Browne, dated at Carlisle xxiiij Novembris, ao xxxiiijo r.r. Henr. VIII."
25 Nov.
Dasent's A.P.C., 55.
1122. The Privy Council.
Meeting at Hampton Court, 25 Nov. Present : Norfolk, Suffolk, Russell, Winchester, Westminster, Gage, Browne, Wingfield, Wriothesley. Business :Upon information by John Cowlter, of Cambridge, against Wm. Pratt, Wm. Richardson, Robt. Dickenson and , bailiffs of the town, the said bailiffs were sent for.
25 Nov.
Hatfield MS. 231, No. 15. [Cal. of Cecil MSS., Pt. I., 87.] Haynes' St. Papers, 5.
1123. Wriothesley to Hertford.
Sends letters from "my Lady," who is well. The King has well accepted the doings of his army, and commends Hertford's execution of the affairs committed to him by Norfolk and others. Hertford's letter of the 13th seemed to complain of a lack of instruction, and to impute a premature departure to the others. Knows (and has answered) that Hertford meant that they did what they might, although the furniture was no better than he wrote of, rather than to accuse them, who could not be faulty alone without his Lordship having some part in it. The King requires him to enquire secretly and bring a note in writing of all the laws, constitutions, and orders of the Borders, especially what the inhabitants are bound unto. Westminster, 25 Nov., late at night.
"My lords of Winchester and Westminster and I be now here to speak with the ambassador." (fn. 4)
Hol., p. 1. Add. Endd. : "R. xxix Nov., fro the Secretory."
25 Nov.
Longleat MS. Hamilton Papers, I. lxxxi.
1124. Hertford to the Council.
Late yesternight learnt that the earl of Murrey, lieutenant of Scotland, lords Seton, Flemyng and Askyne, with their servants, and the countries of Lodiene, Twedale, Ettrik Forest, Widdell, (fn. 5) Jedworthe Forest, Liddirsdale, Galawaye and elsewhere entered towards the Whele Cawsy, between the West and Middle Marches, 23 Nov., the King of Scots lying that night at Pebilles. Wrote on Monday and Tuesday last to my lord of Cumberland, Sir Thos. Wharton and Walter Strikland to be ready with victuals for four days, and trusts the Scots will find the West Marches better prepared than they supposed. This Saturday morning Sir Wm. Eure wrote that the King of Scots left Edinburgh on Tuesday last, all which day and night horses and men from Angwys and Fiff came over the Frithe in boats, and passed towards the West Marches with their King. The Cardinal and Murrey await the King's return at Hadyngton. The Marshe and Tividale are warned to resist invasion, and only 80 tried men from them attend their King. Reported that two ships were preparing with John Barton, but hears now that six are prepared.
Being sure that the Scots are gone to the West Marches, has devised some annoyance for their East Marches. By the Council's letters of the 20th, perceives that the King accepts his services. Begs them to thank his Majesty for him. Alnwick, 25 Nov.
P.S.Encloses letters from Sir Thos. Wharton just received.
Draft. Endd. : "A letter to the Council, xxv. Novembre at xj. of the clock delivered."
25 Nov.
Longleat MS. Hamilton Papers, I. lxxxiii.
1125. Hertford to Henry VIII.
Encloses letters received this Saturday afternoon from Sir Thos. Wharton, mentioning the overthrow of the Scots. Alnwick, 25 Nov. 3 p.m.
Draft. Endd. : To the King's Majesty, xxvo Novembris.


  • 1. The 11th.
  • 2. The bp. of Westminster and Wriothesley. See No. 949.
  • 3. Cancelled.
  • 4. Chapuys.
  • 5. "Widdell," for "Tewydell," i.e., Teviotdale?