Henry VIII: September 1529, 1-15

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September 1529

Baker MSS. 12. Camb. MS. 5907. THE DIVORCE.
"Epistola regis Henrici Octavi missa vel tradita Thomæ et Laurentio cardinalibus, judicibus suis a pontifice Romano delegatis." pp. 311–328. No date. "Copied from a book at Trinity College, Cambridge, [Class R. 5. 32.] wrote in a very beautiful large hand, the leaves and cover gilt (the leaves of clean well dressed vellum), probably intended either for the use of the King or one of the Cardinals his judges."
1 Sept.
R. O.
Copy of the Pope's avocation and suspension of the King's cause; with the following notarial attestation:—"Die prima Septembris 1529 præsens copia cum originali collata præsentata fuit R. Paulo de Capilcuzis (?), Rotæ auditori, dimisso originali in manibus ipsius R. D. Pauli, per me Jo. Serinier (?)."
Lat., p. 1. Endd.
1 Sept.
Add. MS. 28,579, f. 106. B. M.
5909. DE PRAET and MAY to CHARLES V.
* * * The bishop of Tarbes has arrived here. * * Have already written that we have been requested, both by the Pope and the English ambassadors, to allow some modification in the divorce cause, as it might help to bring the King to reason; and though we tell them to wait and see what order is taken since the peace, they continually urge three things, viz.:—1, that the cause should be withdrawn from the Rota, and referred to the Pope; 2, that it should be suspended at the judgment of his Holiness; and, 3, that the censures and penalties which touch the King be revoked.
To the first we said we had great confidence in his Holiness, but hoped he would leave the cause to the Rota, and afterwards to Consistory. To this he agreed; and we shall see to it, because, if the Pope were to die, another Pope might not be so sure for us. To the second, we said it was unreasonable to suspend the matter at pleasure, because it would be impossible to go on until his Holiness revoked his pleasure, and that it would be better to fix a time for it. The Pope himself suggested from Christmas to Easter, because if meanwhile the King of England saw a good way for peace, another suspension might be made for four months more, otherwise the cause would be committed. To the third we answered that the royal privilege ought not to avail the King against his wife, who moreover is a queen, "y contra v. Mt. Cesarea y los Serenissimos Reyes de Ungria y de Portugal que eramos contentos, y esto hariamos por ver si se podria ganar a buenas la gracia del Rey en esta causa."
It seems that in the second article they were not satisfied unless the cause was suspended at the judgment of the Pope, who, for his part, seemed to desire it. In truth we know not whence comes the good will he has to this business. Ancona too has intimated the same thing to us. He thinks the bishop of Tarbes had something to do with it. The matter seemed to us of so much importance that we did not like to say we would consult your Majesty about it, fearing more artifices. The Pope said he would take an opportunity to speak to the English ambassador, and tell him to have patience. This, however, he seemed to say with much chagrin (enojo). Have consulted your lawyers, who all say that this point is entirely in the power of the Pope to do either the one or the other, or all three, without consulting us, and however difficult it may be for us to prevent, the revocation could not be obtained with justice. We have thought good to advise your Majesty in order that you may let us know what is right to do if these people press us more.
Two other things remain [to be mentioned] as to this article: 1, that we take care they do not hinder thereby the inhibition to the legates in England; "y esto se faze con nuestra sabiduria clausularse ha de manera que estemos al seguro;" 2, that the Pope send a brief to the king of England, exhorting him by many reasons to give up his purpose and acknowledge justice, which, however, we regard as very safe. It only remains that the Emperor order the cause to be suspended or protracted (mande o sobreseer o enantar (enanchar ?) la causa.)
* * *
The above passage is apostyled in the margin:—
The Emperor approves all the proceedings of the ambassadors in this matter, but thinks, as to the suspension at pleasure, if the Pope and the English desire it, they may as well be gratified, provided the inhibition to the Judges stand firm, as it will afford the king of England an opportunity of coming to a good understanding without further proceedings, if he is so minded.
Sp., Modern copy, pp. 10.
1 Sept.
Colbert MS. 468. v. p. 576.
Is waiting for the resolution of the affair committed to his brother. We are not without hope that he will receive an answer to content you; but if his despatch had been what was so often committed to me, and promised to the English ambassadors at the treaty of Cambray, I would have dared to assure you of it, much better than now. He and his brother write more fully to the King. Houcstock (Woodstock), 1 Sept.
Fr., from a transcript, p. 1.
1 Sept.
Colbert MS. 468. v. p. 570.
According to our letter of the 23rd ult. to the Grand Master, we came last Thursday to the King hither, where he has come to hunt. Langey declared his charge. He was determined to keep his friendship with you, and was pleased with your firmness, although you had been so urgently desired by Madame Margaret to treat separately. Found, however, many difficulties, when we came to the matters which we had to propose to him; but finally our answers contented both him and his council.
Some points, however, we could not get rid of promptly, for want of information about past matters. For instance, we are in great difficulty from not being able to show a copy of the last treaty, for declaration of which the bishop of London and More have been sent for. The former being ill, More came alone, and said, in presence of the King and his Council, that although he had found Madame and your Council, both concerning the last treaty and other things, ready to do all that a perfect friend could do, never-theless, when they came to the specification of the articles granted in the said treaty, they never could obtain a copy of it or hear it read, but were assured that Langey should bring it.
Henry does not seem quite satisfied at this, or at not knowing the time when your ambassadors will be with the Emperor for the ratification of the said treaty, that his may be there at the same time. Langey told him that the Admiral would be at Lyons on the 20th. He wished us to write, for perfect certainty, as he means to send an honorable ambassador, but it is not certain whom. He thinks of sending with another the Dean of the Chapel, to make the speech. He is a man of good learning and credit.
In spite of all this, and the difficulty about the indemnity and the penalty incurred for the marriage of the Princess with the Emperor, we are not without hope of obtaining your demand. The difficulty about the copy of the contract is of the greatest importance. We hope to have a final answer by next Monday. We have promised that you will send the copy of the treaty; and the sooner it comes the better. The King is going hence for three days; meanwhile his Council will try to clear up difficulties, and to find a copy of the treaty of Madrid, to which many things are referred.
Advises him to signify in his first despatch that he has heard of the good offices of Norfolk, Suffolk and Rochefort. Langey will return as soon as possible, but has been detained by these difficulties. Most of the Council were far away at their houses: the Legate is now at his house, and does not seem likely to come hither.
Whatever they have to discuss with us, they take great pains to repay us for the good cheer which has been given to their ambassadors in France. Houctok (Woodstock), 1 Sept.
Fr., from a transcript, pp. 4.
1 Sept.
MS. 5,499, p. 141. Bibl. Nat.
Has little to add to the King's letters. Thinks it very bad policy to leave men who have to manage affairs so ill informed. Was never pained so much at anything; and if the English are displeased, thinks they have some reason. After having so often demanded the communication of this treaty, and so repeatedly complained to the King and the Admiral, is it not natural that suspicions should be aroused when no notice is taken of it? "Je ne vous prierai, Monseigneur, d'avoir memoire de ce que par mes dernieres lettres vous manday, esperant qu'il vous en sera survenu. Sinon y adjousteray a ceulx que vous nommeraient Monseigneur de la Hargerie qu'il serait bien, comme il me semble, pour faire ce mestier." Woodstock, 1 Sept.
Bryan will return soon, and the son of lord Rochford and another go in his place.
Fr., from a transcript, pp. 2.
1 Sept.
MS. 5,499, p. 184. Bibl. Nat.
Sends packets of letters, in accordance with the request of the king of England and Francis to see to whatever came from Rome addressed to the Pope's agents, that might concern his affair. You are to put the said packet in his hands. Francis and Madame are in good health, and leave tomorrow for Chantilly, from which they go to Paris. The Emperor is still at Genoa. Sends a packet delivered to the writer by Master Briant, to be delivered to the King. The Florentines have sent four ambassadors to Genoa, to en- deavor to make an arrangement with money. The Pope desires to have the state of Florence in his hands. The prince of Orange has left Rome, and will pass through Florence with 4,000 lanceknights and 4,000 foot. Compiegne, 1 Sept.
When Francis arrives at Paris, he will stay there some time to take order about the liberation of his children. The Admiral will be at Lyons on the 15th to go and meet the Emperor. Francis is much pleased with the four fine ... and four "courriers" (coursiers ?) sent by Henry.
Fr., pp. 2. From a transcript.
MS. 5,499, p. 143. Bibl. Nat.
Has been very urgent with the King and Madame to obtain his congé, and they have requested him still to have patience, which he has the more readily agreed to, as the service he is doing here is chiefly to assist in the deliverance of the French king's children, and consequently in promoting peace in Christendom. You must, therefore, not expect me so early as I indicated by my last letters; since which the Commander and the sieur De Fontaines and Lannais have informed me that you have conducted yourself so honorably that I have reason to be satisfied. I beg you to continue from well to better. Being obliged to remain, I have ordered the sieur de Fontaines, whom I have sent into France, to sell some wood, which I would gladly have avoided. London.
Fr., from a transcript, pp. 2.
1 Sept.
Le Grand, III. 345.
Although my brother and I, in writing to the King, dare not assure him too much of the issue of the charge he has given me, I think we shall report the good dispatch of everything, or very nearly. But I assure you the mistake of not communicating to the ambassadors there, or at least letting them read once the articles of the treaty, after telling them that a copy would be sent by me to the King their master, has created some embarrassment. As to the treaty of Madrid, to which you see I am referred, as it is said my brother has a copy, he has none, nor could he ever have had one. The King has sent to Wolsey to get it, if he has one, "afin qu'il se puisse mieulx jetter hors de tout scrupule." I expect to be despatched by Monday at the latest. Houdestock (Woodstock), 1 Sept.
Fr. Add.
1 Sept.
Theiner, p. 565.
Advoking the King's cause to Rome. Rome, 1 Sept. 1529.*
2 Sept.
R. O. St. P. VII. 197.
In favor of Peter Vannes, the King's ambassador. Rome, 2 Sept. 1529.
Hol., Lat. Add. Endd.
3 Sept.
R. O.
I have received from Edwards such treaties as the King desired should be sent to you. When the King has seen them, I will transmit them. As the King is not here, and I am repairing to him, I can send no resolution of the latter part of your letter. I trust, whatever your opinion may be of the interpretation of the treaty of Madrid, you will not judge otherwise of me, "as I perceive by your Grace's letters ye do not quam ut boni viri officio functus videar contradicendo, and done therein my duty" to the King and you, as one who tenders the conservation of the amity of France, tanquam opus manuum vestrarum. If you had been here, and seen how the King took it, you would rather have studied how by some benign interpretation to make the best of that which was past remedy, than have persisted in blaming the non-observation of covenants on the French part. As they are of no more importance than the omission of the qualification provided for by you, they will not be greatly prejudicial to the King. The clause amici amicorum, &c., extends no further than I wrote to you; and so it was answered to the chancellor of the Duchy, now at Cambray, by the chancellor of France. Woodstock, 3 Sept.
Hol., pp. 2. Add. and sealed. Endd.
3 Sept.
Add. MS. 28,579, f. 111. B. M.
5919. DE PRAET and MAY to CHARLES V.
* * * The Pope has letters from Campeggio in England, that neither by fair means nor by foul they have been able to get over him; and on urging him to give sentence, he said he was willing, and that his voice was in favor of the marriage, if they were agreed; if not, there could be no sentence. [Apostyled in margin: Very good.] They are much abashed, who drew the King into this matter, and some desire for his honor that the cause be revoked; but they have taken every step to prevent the citation and inhibition arriving, and being delivered soon to Campegio. And, as in this case, Wolsey remaining alone, no harm can ensue, we desire to know whether they should be inhibited; and we are going to have reformed for this purpose a brief which the Pope has ordered to be drawn up, of which a copy will be sent to the Emperor. * * Rome, 3 Sept.
Sp., pp. 13. Modern copy.
3 Sept.
Cal. B. I. 127. B. M.
Before the writer's coming home, Thirlkeld, commissioned by lord Dacre, had secret communications with his wife. Considering this and her former dealing towards Norfolk, he has ordered his auditor, Edward Edgar, and Thomas Kelk, with George Hodgeson, "to see her entertained a great deal better than she hath deserved." Will not allow her to contrive anything against himself. Ralph Leche, and Sampson, a priest, were sent from my lord of Shrewsbury to speak with her. Encloses his servant's answer. Spoke with them in presence of my lord of Cumberland and Sir Thos. Clifford; when Leche said his lord, hearing his daughter was in some agony, sent them to give her his blessing, and to speak with her. The writer answered that they could not be allowed to invent more malicious untruths by the counsel of my lord her father, who regarded not his own honor, "nor the kindness of me, which look nothing with his daughter;" and if her father insisted on his duty to the King, and would certify he thought her ill-treated and in danger of being poisoned, he would send her over to him "with a reasonable finding." Her acts were so manifest, he would never go into her company. Lord Dacre has reported that Norfolk has sent to him to enquire if the writer's wife had the falling-sickness, and, if not, to urge him to take her part.
Put to death all the Scots of Teviotdale that came to his hands, except three, concerning whom Norfolk will understand by the King's letters enclosed what was done. As the garrisons shall be laid, and but 200 men appointed to him, reminds Norfolk that wardens have always hitherto had 500 men,—200 about their own persons, and 300 in garrison. Encloses copy of his proclamation, which has been well observed in the Marches, "appearing thereby unto me they dread more the pain of money than their lives." Warkworth Castle, 3 Sept.
Underneath is written: "Copy to the duke of Norfolk."
Pp. 2.
5 Sept.
Vit. B. XI. 214. B. M.
Wolsey would not believe what trouble he has taken in the expedition of the bulls. Could not prevent them being handed over to the apostolic scribes to be taxed. The bull for the exemption of the universities is taxed at 1,000 ducats; the union of the monasteries, at 200 ducats; the faculty of electing a bishop to punish the vices of the clergy, at 125 ducats; the indulgence for Ipswich, 150 ducats; and the union of Tenby, 25 ducats. Has obtained from the Pope leave to depart, but will not go until he has told his Holiness how little these favors deserve to be considered by the King and Wolsey.
The Germans are reported to have already passed Trent. The Emperor received the Florentine ambassadors not unwillingly. It would be beneficial to the peace if he could settle their dispute with the Pope. Thinks the Pope would give up much of his rights. The ambassador of the duke of Ferrara was told that he must first settle his affairs with the Pope. It is said that the Emperor will send to offer peace to the Venetians, or to declare war against them.
The Emperor has left his secretary at Genoa to open all letters of every one. Card. Colonna is appointed viceroy of Naples, and the brother of the marquis of Mantua remains there with the cavalry. Rome, 5 Sept. 1529.
Sir Gregory is still using the baths.
Hol., Lat., pp. 3. The passage in italics is in cipher deciphered. Add. Endd.
5 Sept.
Er. Ep. p. 1230.
5922. ERASMUS to MORE.
Is delighted with the rumors of peace, for which they are indebted to Henry VIII. Speaks very highly of king Ferdinand, who has invited Erasmus to Vienna. The Turk is invading Hungary. Wishes the Emperor would assist his brother and sister. I am afraid he is staying too long in Italy, but I doubt not that he will show all respect to the Sovereign Pontiff. It does not appear to me to be expedient for Christendom, or for the Pope himself, that he should be mixed up with these princely alliances. I should like to see again the dear friends whom Holbein has exhibited in his picture. Friburg, 5 Sept. 1529.
Vit. B. XII. 224. B. M. 5923. [WOLSEY] to GARDINER.
"Mr. Stevens, yesternight about 11 of the clock, I received your [letter of] the 4th day of this month, with two briefs, the one concerning ... the other the conclusion of the league betwixt the Pope and the Emperor ... There be clauses of credence to be given to the Cardyn[al] ... And ensuing the King's command in the morning I was in hand commencing with [the] said Cardinal, whom, I assure you, I found very cons ... and glad to set forth with the Queen's counsel, which he nat ... hither, but only the bishop of Bath, that the letters cytatory[all and] inhibitorial should be executed upon the King's highness ... the judges, but that the execution of the brief to me directed ... su ... such one like to be sent unto him with other letters w ... credence is contained shall be sufficient, and that the Q[ueen] ... to be contented with the same; whereupon breaking the matter with [the bishop] of Bath, albeit after good and long debating and reasoning ... tandem he thought our op ... good and to be accepted by the Queen, yet consyd[ering] her stiff heart, replenished with great mistrust and ... he doubted what she would do, and without the consent of [some of] her counsel he durst not undertake that she w[ould be] induced to this way, howbeit he would not fail to in ... his study and labor that the same might be accepty[d] ... I can perceive by him this citation [and] inhibition that is now sent is another thing than that [whereof] the copy was sent unto the King's highness since this p ... o dictum by likelihood obtained upon depositions and witness brought by the Queen's ... non est hic tantus accessus. I cannot send you the copy ther[eof], for my lord of Bath hath it not here. I have caused her to [send] to London with diligence for the same, and for more of the Qweny[s] counsel, whom to induce to this the King's device I shall omit nothing that can or may be by my poor wit excogitate, and to what resolution and point I shall induce them, I shall ... advertise the King's highness and you by Mr. Boner.
"[In the m]eantime it shall ... the King's ... trouble or unquiet his mind in this matter, nor take any [con]solation of this my writing in istam sive in ullam [materiam], but only I thought convenient to send this [to] advertise you of the receipt of yours, and in case any brief [or ot]her letters be sent to the said Cardinal, ye should [find a] way that they might be delivered unto him. On my part, there shall lack no good, faithful, and perfect [endeavor] in bringing this matter about to the King's contentation, ut obviemus conatibus [malis istorum] (fn. 1) reginæ qui videntur mihi ex isto modo procedendi ... [m]ali."
Hol. Mutilated.
6 Sept.
Er. Ep. p. 1232.
Cannot express the delight which he felt on receiving Holbein's picture of the More family. Recognised every one in it,—none more than herself. Methought I saw a soul shining through this most beautiful household even more beautiful. Sends her a letter from a chaplain to Mary, formerly queen of Hungary. Begs his letter may be shown to her sisters, and his compliments to her mother Louise. I have kissed her picture, as I could not kiss herself. My best wishes to your brother John More, and your husband Roper. Friburg, 6 Sept. 1529.
7 Sept.
R. O. St. P. I. 345.
The King desired me to write to you that, partly on your advice and partly of his own opinion, he has answered De Langes. The copy of the answer, signed by my hand, I now send, adding "totts" in the margin, that you may perceive omne consilium rei gestæ. So when the French ambassadors resort to you, you must say to them conformably as has been said here. If the ambassadors should desire to have a letter from the King to their master of like tenor to that sent by the duke of Suffolk, for which they have pressed the King and been put over, the King desires you to satisfy them, and make some excuse.
Yesternight, I read to the King your letters, in answer to mine concerning the execution of the letters citatorial. He gives you his most hearty thanks for your labors in that behalf, and "desireth much to know the further resolution in that matter; and when your Grace writeth of the deliverance of cardinal Campegius' letters and breves to him directed, I assure your Grace there came never no such to my hands." Yesterday, letters arrived from Rome, directed to the King and others. Probably the packet was broken up, but the letters were not opened. The King opened all; and as they are much in cipher, he desires they may be deciphered and remitted here. The King desires the prior of Reading, who is now in prison for Lutheranism, to be set at liberty, unless the matter be very heinous. Woodstock, 7 Sept.
The ambassadors of France have taken their leave, and are on their way to you.
Hol., pp. 2. Add. and sealed. Endd.
7 Sept.
R. O.
As Mr. Stephens advertises you of the despatch of De Langes, and sends other papers, I will not be remiss in my duty to you. De Langes has 100 marks in reward. Woodstock, eve of Our Lady's Nativity, 1529.
The King was not willing that Bryan should meddle in the answer, because the French king has not spoken to him, nor has he written on the subject, and he might possibly fall into some mistake.
Hol., p. 1. Add. Endd.
7 Sept.
Add. MS. 28,579, f. 122. B. M.
5927. DE PRAET and MAY to CHARLES V.
* * * The matrimonial cause of England, nevertheless, is suspended from Christmas to Easter, "y quien da las censuras y penas quanto a la persona del Rey;" but as we fear the inhibitions may not have arrived, and if they come after the suspension they will have little effect, as the English can choose judges not inhibited, we endeavor that the motu proprio already given to the English ambassador, and presented in Rota, should come into the Pope's hand, and be altered in such a way that the suspension should not be included in the inhibition of the judges; and besides it was changed so that only those censures should be removed which apply to the King. This we have done, that if the King meanwhile should in fact marry another, it should be null, on pain of litis pendentia and express inhibition. * * Rome, 7 Sept.
Sp., Modern copy, pp. 18.
8 Sept.
Vit. B. XII. 172 b. B. M. St. P. I. 347.
I have caused Bonner and Kerne to speak with the King, who likes your device for superseding the cause, if the Queen can be induced thereto, and he trusts to your dexterity. If this cannot be, he is content the inhibition should be executed upon you and Campeggio, as he has told Bonner and Kerne. Woodstock, 8 Sept.
8 Sept.
Er. Ep. p. 1233.
Has received the Queen's present with great pleasure. Admires much her piety and learning. In these she resembles Maria, formerly queen of Hungary, as Mountjoy will see by the letter sent to Margaret Roper. Approves of his desire that the name of Mountjoy's son Charles should be added to his own in the dedication to the Adagia. The Ciceronians are opposing him for preferring that, in good Latin, Christian and not pagan phraseology should be employed. Begs he will urge the Queen to read his Vidua Christiana. Hopes that cardinal Campeggio has long since dispelled that little cloud, of which Mountjoy knows. Friburg, 8 Sept. 1529.
9 Sept.
R. O.
5930. SIR ANDREW POWES, Priest, Receiver (?) of Guernsey, to CROMWELL.
Requests his aid and advice in some business he has in my lord Cardinal's court, of which the bearer, Master Fashon, will inform him. Guernsey, 9 Sept. 1529.
Hol., p. 1. Add.: To the right worshipful Master Cromewell, by the Frears Augustines in London.
9 Sept.
MS. 5,499, p. 183. Bibl. Nat.
In accordance with his letter of the 1st inst., sends him a copy of the treaty of Cambray. Would have sent it sooner, had he not thought about the treaty of Madrid, according to which everything has been conducted in the conclusion of the peace. Has begun a copy of the latter, which shall be sent, if necessary. Madame's company are in good health, and have come hither on their way to Paris. The Admiral is to be at Lyons on the 18th or 20th at latest, to meet the Emperor, who is still at Genoa. There is still time for the king of England to despatch ambassadors, who may be there as soon as the Admiral. The Emperor, it appears, has chosen Mons. de la Chault to come hither for the ratifications._Has just heard that the Emperor has left Genoa, and may be now at Piacenza. Thinks he will have more work in Italy than he expects, for he has come at a very bad time. He caused the peace to be published at Genoa with very great ceremony. I do not write to your brother, because I suppose he has left on his return home. Escouan, 8 Sept.
Sends news of the Turk, who is advancing with great power.
Pp. 3, Fr., from a transcript.
10 Sept.
Suckling's Suffolk, II. 391.
Lease by Thos. Rushe to Wm. Capon, D. D., dean, and the fellows of Cardinal's College, Ipswich, of the manor of Brustonhaugh, in Heveningham, Suffolk, for 21 years, at a yearly rent of 3l. 10 Sept. 21 Hen. VIII.
R. O. Indenture of lease of tithes in Falcenham, Suff., from Wm. Capon, the dean of the College of Ipswich, to Rich. Hert, of Falcenham. Seal of the College.
10 Sept.
R. O.
5933. JOHN COOKE to _ BETTS, Customer of Southampton.
Master Chancellor and I spoke to the vicar of Southampton, and the yeoman of the Guard, for the farm of the chantry, "without lease sufficient or authority from Master Doctor Capon." They said I was the cause of their trouble. The yeoman will not void till Michaelmas twelvemonth, and said he would speak with Mr. Cromwell to have the lease tried. I told him the lease was made by my lord of Durham "after he was elect to his bishopric, and after that he had left the chantry to my lord's Grace's disposition." I warned the vicar, in my lord's Grace's name, that he should not venture to put any one in without my lord's Grace's pleasure; that the lease was void if made in Dr. Alyn's time, as the chantry had been dissolved many years ago. Romsay, 10 Sept.
Hol., p. 1. Add.
10 Sept.
P. S.
5934. ST. MARTIN'S, BATTLE, Chichester dioc.
Assent to the election of John Hamond as abbot of the above monastery, vice Laurence Champion. Woodstock, 9 Sept. 21 Hen. VIII. Teste le More, 10 Sept.
Pat. 21 Hen. VIII. p. 1, m. 20.
ii. Petition for the above. 13 Aug. 1529.
10 Sept.
MS. Colbert, 468 V. p. 206.
Begs credence for the bearer touching his congé. London, 10 Sept.
Forgot to speak about hackneys. Will send him four in six days, though it is difficult to get good ones. Men have been here four months choosing four for Francis.
Fr., from a transcript.
[12] Sept.
Vit. B. XII. 171. B. M. St. P. I. 343.
On the arrival of your servant, Forrest, I repaired to the King, and read him your letters. The first part of which, showing how you had induced the Queen's counsel to be content with exhibiting the brief, instead of the letter citatorial, was very agreeable to him. He hopes, if the Queen should afterwards retract, she shall not be able to do so, but this her act, done before you and Campeggio, may prevent her from proceeding at Rome, or gaining any citation hereafter. With regard to your request for a personal interview with the King, he was somewhat troubled, being not able to conjecture what the matter should be you could not as well commit to writing; and he desired me, therefore, to despatch Curzon to you, desiring to have under your own hand the caput rei which you mean, whether it be foreign or domestic; and if the former, touching what potentate; and if relative to the divorce, the briefest note of it; or relative to the realm, so to touch it that you can explain it further when you arrive, and relieve the King from this agitation. Woodstock, [12] Sept.
Hol. Add. Endd.: Dr. Stevyns, 12 Sept.
12 Sept.
Add. MS. 28,579, f. 138. B. M.
5937. CHARLES V. to his AMBASSADORS at Rome.
* * * Approves of what has been done in relation to the queen of England. But as to the suspension, &c., (as in apostyle to their despatch of 1 Sept.) Approves of the brief which they say has been despatched. * * *
Sp., pp. 12. Modern copy. The passage extracted is in cipher in the original document.
12 Sept.
Add. MS. 28,579, f. 145. B. M.
Since my youth all the lords of Ireland, and many of other nations, have waged continuous war, and made conspiracies against me, which by Divine grace I have been able to resist and revenge. The English and their deputies in Ireland, in accordance with the prayers of my enemies, do not cease to injure me, and, among other things, have taken 100,000l. of my goods in the hands of merchants sent by me to procure wine and other merchandise.
Begs the Emperor to assist him by sending wine and other goods for his expenses, with soldiers and ships, that he may attack therewith the Emperor's enemies, viz., the Fransiginæ. With his assistance could expel them from every port in Ireland.
Asks the Emperor to stipulate for restitution of his goods, if he makes peace with England.
Holds the chief power in the ports of Ireland from Dunkyn to Waterford, as the Emperor can learn from his sailors. "Ex manerio meo de Insula." 12 Sept. Signed.
Lat., pp. 2. Add. Modern copy.
Add. MS. 28,579, f. 330. B. M. "2. Pour la responce au conte de Wismont en Irlonde de par l'Empereur."
The Emperor has received his letters, and heard the report of his chaplain; and thanks him for his good will. The Emperor will be always well disposed towards him, and will order his subjects to be well treated in his dominions. He cannot write a longer letter, as he is just starting for his voyage to Italy, but will send to him again on his arrival, and desires to hear from him.
Fr., p. 1. Modern copy.
13 Sept.
R. O.
The King has signed a bill in favor of Rokwod, the bearer, desiring he may return to Calais to be present there at "the hering time." Woodstock, 13 Sept.
Hol., p. 1. Add. Endd.
13 Sept.
R. O. St. P. VII. 198.
Was preparing to apply himself to the business contained in the King's letters by Andrew, when a courier arrived from Rome, going to England. As he could not wait, did not like to despatch him without a letter announcing that Andrew would return in two or three days. Hopes to persuade him that he is right in his opinion respecting the mode of date in the papal briefs. Paris, 13 Sept. 1529.
Hol., Lat. Add. Endd. by Henry VIII.
13 Sept.
Stapleton's Vita Mori.
I am informed by my son Heron of the loss of our barns, and our neighbours' also. The loss of so much corn is a pity, but we must not only be content, but be glad of God's visitation. Perhaps we have more cause to thank Him for our loss than for our winning, for His wisdom sees best what is good for us; so pray be of good cheer, and take all the household to church, and thank God both for what He has given and for what He has taken from us. "I pray you to make some good ensearch what my poor neighbours have lost, and bid them take no thought therefor; for if I should not leave myself a spoon, there shall no poor neighbour of mine bear no loss by any chance happened in my house." Begs her and the children to be merry, and consult with friends about providing seed corn for the coming year. Expected, on coming here, to remain with the King; but intends now to get leave next week and come home. Woodstock, 13 Sept. 1529.
14 Sept.
Le Grand, III. 347.
Received yesterday his letters of the 10th inst., with this blessed treaty of Cambray, "qui tant s'est faict achapter," that now it would only serve to renew disputes; first, because it makes no special provision for what the king of England demands, although it is more advantageous for him than we were able to tell him, not knowing of the 26th article; and, secondly, because it does not speak of the penalty for the marriage, and (which is a hard hit to us) specifies almost definitely the sums we have promised, which, I think, do not amount to more than the obligations which I understand have been delivered at Calais. I do not see how to set this right again; for those here may say that we demand of them more than we are bound to give, and want to make a profit of the difference. So I had rather let the sleeping dog lie, and await the conclusions you have taken on my brother's arrival, before doing more.
My brother will have told you the great perplexity we have had from the article in the instructions delivered to him, stating that the 3rd, 4th, and 10th articles in the treaty of Madrid were to be followed, that this clause had been left out, and that other articles were to be changed. Think what they will say even now, when they see we have not communicated that article to them. I think that there never was such a despatch, and I trust you will set it right as soon as possible. It is true, that if you will grant this King what he asks through my brother, all will be readjusted. If so, the sooner the better, that I may be able to promote your affairs, and to sue that Master Boulant, when he leaves, which I think will be at Michaelmas, may carry you a good despatch.
As to what was written to me, "de par vous l'Esleu Berthereau," about the Legate, I thought I had done enough for the time to satisfy both the Admiral, you being at Cambray, and yourself, on the arrival of my brother here, when I spoke to you of the choice of an ambassador speaking French. I could not tell you particulars, for I did not wish suddenly to assure you of anything, of which I was not certain myself; for though I saw great appearance of it, I still see much matter of doubt. If I had found means to go to court before my brother's arrival, I could have informed you sooner, and more certainly. But though I have been crying daily to the Admiral and Robertet, as my letters show, I have only had two despatches in two and a half months, one of which you caused to be sent me when you went to Francis. I have, therefore, been compelled to leave everything till the departure of my brother. Yesterday I received letters from your ambassadors of Hungary, which I send you, having first looked at them to see if there was anything which could be of service here, and taken copies, which I am now sending to this King, along with the information sent by you from Venice about the Grand Turk. I have heard from Flanders that the said Turk was some time since at Buda, and news had just arrived that those of Nuremberg had sent to treat with him. I do not write to Francis, as I should not know what to say to him. I hope you have explained to him the reasons for which I have so often desired my recal. London, 14 Sept.
P.S.—Yesterday the Emperor's ambassador, who came here lately, left London. Today he goes with Wolsey and Campeggio to see the King, and endeavor to take his leave, as he has had his recal. I think he will obtain it, and be off as soon as possible. I must not forget to tell you that Master Bryant, leaving in such favor as he did, carried with him the finest gelding in this court, and he said he had one for you, such as I had described to you. This is not to put you in mistrust of receiving a stallion (ung entier), which I now send you. Meanwhile keep mine at Brethueil, fed on sheaves till Michaelmas, otherwise he will founder suddenly.
14 Sept.
Le Grand, III. 352.
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Some days ago, Master Peter Vannes, after obtaining by the king's (Francis's) favor, through the medium of the bishop of Tarbe, the brief for suspending the process (le bref de la surceance du procez) of the king and queen of England, came two or three times before the said Bishop, requesting him to make use of the name of the said lord (Francis ?), and to request the Pope for the expeditions gratis that he was commissioned to make for the English universities, which would have amounted to no less than 2,000 or 3,000 crowns. This his Holiness has granted willingly to De Tarbe, although it will be necessary, according to the constitution, and rights of the officers, to make it good to them out of his own purse. At all events the English cannot say that they have not been well treated. The men of the duke Francis Flore (Sforza ?), with one of his secretaries, whom he sent to the Pope, have pressed him very strongly to learn the particulars of the peace: to which, as he informed me, he made a very pertinent reply, without spoiling anything; and sent the secretary back, mainly because he has heard that the Duke is resolved to do whatever the signory of Venice does. Nevertheless, he has, with their permission, sent the president of his Senate to the Emperor; but his Holiness thinks that it is only pro forma. Rome, Tuesday, 14 Sept. 1529.
15 Sept.
R. O.
Has been at Lichfield several times. Mr. Surveyor, Mr. Dean, and all the masters and canons never met till Sept. 13, on which day the release concerning the pension of Aston Bremycham was solemnly sealed in the chapter house. Mr. Surveyor will bring it, with other evidences, next term and receive the King's patent and other writings, for lack of which the release was not delivered. The abbot of Meryvale is very short of money, but at Christmas he will pay most part of his duty to Crumwell. He sends a token of 53s. 4d. as a reward for Crumwell's trouble at his election. Will not be back till after Michaelmas. Lichfield, 15 Sept.
Hol., p. 1. Add.: To his right worshipful master, Master Thomas Crumwell, Esq., besides the Augustynes Friars, in London. Endd.


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