House of Lords Journal Volume 4: 21 August 1641

Journal of the House of Lords: Volume 4, 1629-42. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1767-1830.

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DIE Sabbati, videlicet, 21 die Augusti.


Lord Mayor &c. of London, and the Commonalty.

The Lord Privy Seal reported, "That the Lords Committees met Yesterday, to see if they could mediate and compose the Differences between the Lord Mayor of London and the Commonalty, touching the Election of a Sheriff; but they could have no Success in it, and so left it to the Consideration of this House:" Hereupon the Lord Viscount Say & Seale and the Lord Bishop of Lincolne were appointed to withdraw, and consider of an Order for settling the Election of the Sheriff pro hac vice, with a Salvo on both Parts; which Order is to be entered in the Books of the Chamber of London.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Stroude:

Message from the H. C. about disarming Recusants.

To desire that some speedy Course may be resolved of, for disarming of Recusants, according to a former Message sent to their Lordships from the House of Commons.

The Answer returned was:


That their Lordships have agreed to the disarming of Recusants; but for the Manner of doing it, they will send an Answer by Messengers of their own.

Message to the H. C. for a Conference about it.

Then a Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Sir Robert Rich and Mr. Page:

To desire a Free Conference, by a Committee of both Houses, touching disarming of Recusants.

Lord Mayor, &c. of London, and the Commonalty.

Then the Lord Bishop of Lincolne reported the Order, drawn concerning the Settling of the Difference of the Election of a Sheriff of London, pro hac vice; which, being read, was approved of, and made an Order of this House: videlicet,

Order about the Election of the Sheriffs of London.

"In the Cause depending between the Commons and Citizens and the Lord Mayor of the City of London, about the nominating and electing of the Sheriffs of the said City for the Year ensuing, their Lordships, taking it into their Consideration that the Election should have been dispatched upon Midsummer-day last past, and finding that, upon the Omission of performing the Election as upon that Day, Devolutions have ensued pro tali vice to the Commonalty of London, do Order, That, for this Time, the said Commonalty shall forthwith proceed to the Nomination and Election of both their Sheriffs for the Year following; hoping that, for the First of the Two Sheriffs, they will make Choice of that Party that was nominated by the Lord Mayor. And their Lordships do further declare, That this their Order shall be no Way prejudicial to any Right and Prerogative claimed by the Lords the Mayors of the City of London for the Time being, nor yet to any Right or Claim made by the Commons or Citizens in this Matter now in Question amongst them."

The Messengers return with this Answer:

Answer from the H. C.

That the House of Commons will give a present Meeting, in the Painted Chamber, as is desired.

Heads of the Conference for disarming Recusants.

The Earl of Warwick, the Lord Viscount Say and Seale, and the Lord Bishop of Lincolne, were appointed to speak at the Conference; and to let the House of Commons know, that this House doth join with them for disarming the Papists of Warlike Arms, according to Law; but for the Manner thereof, their Lordships do leave it to them to consider of it.

Conference reported.

The House was adjourned during Pleasure, and the Lords went to the Conference; which being ended, the House was resumed; and the Earl of Warwicke reported, "That he had delivered at the Conference what the House directed."

Disbanding the Horse.

Ordered by the Lords in Parliament, That those Lords that are to go into Scotland with some of the Members of the House of Commons shall go to the Lord General in their Passage, to desire that the Order of both Houses may be put into speedy Execution, for the disbanding of the Horse; and they are to give an Account of the Lord General's Answer.

Sir George Ratcliffe touching Sir Richard Osbaston's Estate.

Ordered, That Sir Robert Rich hath Leave to go to Sir George Radcliffe, to take a Recognizance of him for the true Accompting for the Estate of Sir Richard Osbaston, which he is intrusted for.

Lords Leave to be absent.

Ordered, That the Lords Bishops of Ely and Peterborough have Leave to go to their own Dioceses.

Ordered, That the Earl of Bedford and the Lord Kymbolton be added to the Committee for perusing the Journal Book.

Sir George Ratcliffe to convey Sir Richard Osbaston's Estate to Foulis and Martin.

Ordered, That Sir George shall seal and execute the Writings tendered to him for the conveying over of the Estate of Richard Osbastons, Knight, deceased, unto Mr. Henry Marten and Henry Foulis, Esquire, according to former Orders of this House, by Tuesday Morning next, or else shall shew Cause that very Morning why he refuseth so to do.

Lady Wotton a Recusant, her Privilege.

Upon Signification this Day made unto this House, That an Indictment and Conviction in London, against the Lady Margerett Wotton, for Recusancy, is returned into the Treasurer's and Remembrancer's Office of the Court of Exchequer and the Pipe, contrary to former Orders of this House in that Behalf, and against the Privileges of the same;" it is Ordered, That no further Proceedings shall from henceforth be had in the said Treasurer, Remembrancer's Office, or Pipe, against the said Lady, upon the said Conviction, nor any Process shall be thence made, or issue thereupon, until this House shall give further Order in this Business.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Pym:

Message from the H. C. about disarming Recusants.

To let their Lordships know, that the House of Commons are now in Agitation of the Manner of disarming of Recusants; but, because it will be too long now for their Lordships to expect an Answer herein, they will be ready to present to their Lordships the Names and all Things incident thereunto at the next Sitting.

Their Lordships return this Answer:


That they will expect an Answer accordingly at the next Sitting, which their Lordships have appointed to be on Tuesday Morning next.

Bishops Leave to be absent.

Ordered, That the Bishops of Bath and Wells and Hereford have Leave to go their own Dioceses.


Dominus Custos Magni Sigilli declaravit præsens Parliamentum continuandum esse usque in diem Martis, videlicet, 24m diem instantis Augusti, hora 9a, Dominis sic decernentibus.