House of Lords Journal Volume 4: 13 November 1641

Journal of the House of Lords: Volume 4, 1629-42. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1767-1830.

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DIE Sabbati, videlicet, 13 die Novembris.


Ld. Privy Seal chose Speaker by the House.

This House was informed, "That the Lord Keeper is so ill in his Health at this Time, that he is not able to come to the House this Day, so the House was without a Speaker:" Hereupon the Lords appointed the Lord Privy Seal to be Speaker of this House this Day.

Impeached Bishops Answers delivered to the H. C.

The Messengers which were sent Yesterday to the House of Commons reported, "That, according to their Lordships Commands, they had delivered the Plea and Demurrer of the Bishops to the House of Commons."

Propositions concerning the Irish Affairs agreed to.

The Lord Kymbolton reported some Propositions, which the Committees of both Houses considered of, concerning the Affairs of Ireland; to which the House of Commons have agreed upon, and they desire that this (fn. 1) House would approve of the same; which were read, as followeth:

"1. That there shall be Officers for Two Thousand Foot sent into the North Parts of Ireland, to be divided into Two Regiments.

"2. That it shall be referred to the Lord Lieutenant, to make a List of those Officers, and to appoint of what Numbers each Company shall consist of.

"3. That the Thirteen Hundred Arms that are in Carlile shall be sent away presently to the North Parts of Ireland, and Arms for one Troop of Horse.

"4. That the Forty old Foot Companies be recruited, unto One Hundred Men in a Company.

"5. That the Recommendation of Sir John Clattworthy to some honourable Entertainment in Ireland, be proposed to the Lords.

"6. That the like Recommendation be for the Lord Dungarvan, and for the Command of Youghall. This Request the Lord Dungarvan desires may be left to the Lord Lieutenant.

"7. That Officers be sent into Munster, for One Thousand Foot, and one Troop of Horse; and this was the easier yielded unto, because the Lord Dungarvan informed, that the Soldiers should receive no Pay till they were ready to march against the Enemy.

"8. That present Order be taken for securing Port Towns of Munster, as Corke, Waterford, Lymericke, Kynsale, Youghall, Baltamore, Slego, and Gallaway in Connaught, because these Towns lie on the South West of Ireland, near Spaine.

"9. That the Officers may be speedily sent for Dubline.

"10. It is thought fit by the Committees, that Sir Symon Harcourt should have the Salary of Twenty Shillings per Diem above the rest, for his Command in Dublin.

"11. That the Entertainments of every Regiment of Horse, and every Regiment of Foot, and the Pay of all the Officers of the Army, is considered of by the Committees, and allowed of.

"The Train of Artillery is not yet settled by the Council of Assistants.

"That it is agreed, That the Officers enter into Pay from the Date of their Commissions; and Sir Symon Harcourt to go away presently."

Ordered, That this House approves of the aforesaid Propositions.

Proclamation to recall Recusants gone into Ireland.

The Earl of Holland, the Lord Viscount Say & Seale, the Bishop of Lincolne, the Lord Wharton, and the Lord Kymbolton, were appointed Committees, to call Mr. Attorney General to them, to advise and consider of the Draught of a Proclamation, which is to be issued out in Ireland, to summon all Recusants, which have transported themselves from hence into Ireland within a Year last past, to return within a Time limited into England, etc. and to report the same to this House.

The Venetian Ambassador's Answer to the Lords sent to him.

Orders thereupon.

The Lord Newneham reported, "That himself and the rest of the Lords appointed by this House repaired to the Venetian Ambassador, and delivered unto him the Paper translated into Italian, touching the Excuse for opening of his Letters; and, after he had read (fn. 2) it, he presented to this House great Thanks, for sending such Persons of such great Place in this State to him; and promised he would present the same to the State of Venice, with as much Respect as he could; but desired, that the King's Ambassador may be sent away as speedily as may be to Venice, in the Nature of a special Ambassador, to make Excuse for this particular Business, before he treat of any public Affairs. And, for Prevention of any Accident for the future, he desires to have an Order to the Postmaster, That his Letters may be speedily sent him." Hereupon this House thought fit, That the First Desire, touching the sending of an Ambassador to Venice, should be left to His Majesty's Pleasure; and for the other Particular, it is Ordered, That all such Packets and Letters as are or shall be directed to the Venetian Ambassador shall be forthwith delivered up to the said Ambassador's own Hands.

Directed "To Tho. Witherings, Esquire,
Post-master to His Majesty for the
Foreign Letters."

Magazine at Hull to be brought to The Tower.

Ordered, That the Earl of Newport, Master of the Ordnance, shall have Power, by virtue of this Order, to send his Commands, and to issue forth Warrants, for the bringing up the Magazine of Arms and Ammunition remaining now in Kingston upon Hull, unto The Tower of London, for the securing of the Kingdom.

Investiture of the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland dispensed with.

Ordered, That, because the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland hath not been invested in the Formality of his Place by the receiving of the Sword in Ireland, that his Lordship shall have Power, by virtue of this Order, to give Command to the Lords Justices of Ireland, to seize upon the Persons of any that are suspected, until they shall clear themselves unto the said Lords Justices there.

Committee concerning Recusants.

Lords Committees appointed to see the Orders and Statutes put in Execution against Popish Recusants:

The L. Chamberlain.
Comes Pembrooke.
Comes Warwicke.
Comes Bristoll.
Comes Holland.
L. Viscount Say & Seale.
Epus. London.
Epus. Lincolne.
Epus. Exon.
Ds. North.
Ds. Kymbolton.
Ds. Brooke.
Ds. Grey de Warke.
Ds. Roberts.
Ds. Pierpointe.
Ds. Seymour.

Their Lordships, or any Five, to meet when they please.

Committee for Gunpowder.

Ordered, That the Committee for Gunpowder do meet on Tuesday Morning next.

Maintenance for the Judges.

Ordered, That the Committee to consider of some further Maintenance to be settled upon the Punie Judges do meet on Wednesday next, in the Afternoon, at Three a Clock.

Ships to guard the Irish Coasts.

Ordered, That the Committees for the Irish Affairs shall specially consider of the speedy sending forth Ships, for the guarding of the Irish Coasts.

Ordered, To have a Conference with the House of Commons on Monday Morning, to give them Notice how far this House have agreed to the Resolutions brought up from them the 6th of this Instant November.

A Message was brought up from the House of Commons, by the Lord Craneborne:

Message from the H. C. to desire this House would sit awhile.

To let their Lordships know, that they are now in Agitation of Business of some Importance; and they desire their Lordships would be pleased to sit a while, and they shall come up about some Business.

The Answer returned was:


That this House will sit until they hear from the House of Commons.

List of the Queen's Servants to be sent in.

Ordered, That the Earl of Dorsett do send in, on Monday Morning next, the List of the Queen's Servants.

Ellison versus Watkins for forging an Order of the House.

After this, one James Watkins was brought to the Bar, as a Delinquent, "for serving a forged Order of this House upon one Richard Ellison, a Clothier, living in Yorkeshire, whereby he was forced to appear before this House, to his Charge and Expence of near Ten Pounds. The Particulars the said Ellison proved upon Oath." And the said Watkins alledged, by Way of Answer hereunto, "That he had the Order of One Harris, an Attorney, who procured the pretended Order for him, for which he gave him Five Shillings." Upon this it is Ordered, That the said James Watkins shall stand committed to The Fleet, until he shall pay unto the said Ellison, or his Assigns, the Sum of Ten Pounds, and shall find Sureties for the good Behaviour, to be given before the Lord Chief Justice of the King's Bench; and, after his Enlargement, he shall endeavour to find out the Party from whom he pretends to have received the said forged Order, that thereby their Lordships may so proceed against him as shall be according to Justice.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by the Lord Grey of Groby:

Message from the H. C. for a Conference, about the Instructions for the Committees in Scotland.

To desire a present Conference, if it may stand with their Lordships Conveniency, by a Committee of both Houses, touching some Instructions to be sent to the Committees of both Houses in Scotland.

The Answer returned was:


That their Lordships will give a present Meeting, in the Painted Chamber, as is desired.

The Lord Privy Seal was appointed to report the Conference.

The House was adjourned during Pleasure, and the Lords went to the Conference; which being ended, the House was resumed.

Conference reported.

And the Lord Privy Seal reported the Effect of the Conference, which was:

Amendments to the Instructions, proposed by the Commons.

"That the House of Commons had returned the Instructions, with some few Alterations, which they desire their Lordships to agree with them in.

"As, in the Second Article, these Words ["as is more particularly specified in the Fifth Article"] to come in another Place, between the Word ["Scotland"] and the Word ["for"].

"Next, in the Fourth Article, they desire, that these Words may be added, which are to come in between the Word ["adjoining"] and the Word ["And"], ["Besides, we have taken Order for divers Officers to be sent for the leading of Two Regiments, to be levied of the Inhabitants there"].

"And in the Fifth Article, they desire that this Alteration may be made: Whereas before there were but One Thousand Men desired, now ["That the full Number of Ten Thousand may be raised of His Majesty's Subjects in Scotland, at such Time, and in such Manner, as shall be thought fit by the Parliament here, of which Number for the present we desire that Five Thousand Men, etc."].

And, being put to the Question, it was Resolved, upon the Question, by the major Part, That this House doth agree with the House of Commons, to desire that Five Thousand Scotts may be presently sent out of Scotland into Ireland.

The Commons further desired, "That, if their Lordships agreed to these Alterations, that the first Six Articles agreed upon might be speedily sent away by Mr. Pickeringe; and for the remanent Articles, touching ill Counsels and Counsellors, they desire their Lordships would join with them therein; and they will tarry Four or Five Days for their Lordships Resolutions."

Agreed to by the Lords.

Upon this, the Six Articles were distinctly read over, with the Alterations; and this House agreed to them all, and will take the rest into Consideration hereafter.

After this, the Petition was read, in bæc verba:

"To the King's most Excellent Majesty.

"The humble Petition of the Lords and Commons in Parliament.

Petition to His Majesty, about the said Instructions.

"Most Gracious Sovereign,

"Whereas this Messenger, Mr. John Pickeringe, is employed from us, with Instructions to our Committees in Scotland, to petition Your Majesty to propound to Your Parliament of Scotland our Desire of some Aids from that Kingdom for the Suppression of the Rebels in Ireland, if it fall out that Your Majesty shall be come out of Scotland, or our Committees, before the Arrival of this Messenger there:

"We humbly beseech Your Majesty to give Authority to the said Mr. Pickeringe, to present the said Instructions to the Parliament of Scotland, and to bring back their Answer to the Parliament of England."

Which being read, was approved of by this House.

Answer to the H. C. about this Conference.

Then the House was adjourned during Pleasure, and the Lords went to give the House of Commons Answer of what their Lordships have agreed with them in as aforesaid. Which being done, the Lords returned, and the House was resumed.



Dominus Custos Privati Sigilli declaravit præsens Parliamentum continuandum esse usque in diem Lunæ, videlicet, 15m diem instantis Novembris, hora 12a, Dominis sic decernentibus.


  • 1. Deest in Originali.
  • 2. Deest in Originali.