House of Lords Journal Volume 5: 9 November 1642

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Journal of the House of Lords: Volume 5, 1642-1643. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1767-1830.

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DIE Mercurii, 9 die Novembris.


The Lord Grey was appointed to be Speaker this Day.

Earl of Holland to apologize to the Duke De Vendosme, for his House being searched.

Upon Information to this House, "That the House of the Duke of Vendosme hath been uncivily used, and his House searched and abused, by Pursuivants, contrary to the Protection of this House:" It is Ordered, That the Earl of Holland shall go, from this House, to excuse this Insolency done unto the Duke of Vendosme; that the same was done contrary to the Knowledge and Intention of this House; and that the Pursuivants shall be sent for, to answer the same to this House. Thomas Chamberleine, a City Captain, that was there at the same Time with his Company, carried himself very fairly.

Aldermen Andrews and Towes to attend, for not delivering the Archbishop of York's Trunks to Freeman.

Affidavit was read, of Tho. Freeman, "That Alderman Andrewes and Alderman Towes refused to deliver to him the Trunks of the Archbishop of Yorke, according to the Order of this House:" Ordered, That the said Alderman Andrewes and Alderman Towes shall have Notice to attend this House, to know their Answers herein.

Message from the H. C. for Concurrence in the following Order.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Denzell Holles, Esquire; who desired their Lordships Concurrence in an Order concerning the well ordering of the Army; which was read, in hæc verba: videlicet,

(Here enter it.)

Order for disciplining the Army.

"Whereas it is found that great Inconveniencies have ensued, for Want of a strict and severe Discipline to have been observed in the Army now raised by Authority of Parliament, under the Command of Robert Earl of Essex; and for that the Laws and Ordinances by him set forth for the Government of the said Army have not been put in due Execution: It is now Ordained and Declared, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled, That from henceforth the Officers and Soldiers of the said Army may not expect any further Forbearance of such Punishment to be inflicted on them, for any their Offence, as shall be due unto them by the said Laws and Ordinances; but that the Lord General may and ought to punish them, by Death or otherwise, according to their Demerits."

Resolved upon the Question, nemine contradicente, That this House agrees with the House of Commons in this Ordinance.

The Answer returned to the Messengers was:

Answer to the H. C.

This House agrees with the House of Commons in this Ordinance.

Jo. Jones and Geo. Butler sent for, for taking Money from the Countess of Westmorland.

Upon Information to the House this Day, "That Jo. Jones and George Butler have taken away from the Countess of Westm. Two Hundred and Forty Pounds in Money, which was to buy her Food, and to maintain herself and her Family with Necessaries, and likewise have taken from her a Portmanteau and some Cloaths of the Earl of Westm.:" It is Ordered, That the said Jo. Jones and George Butler (who live in St. Gyles (fn. 1) in the Feilds) shall be sent for, to appear before this House, whereby they may be Ordered to restore the said Money and Goods to her Ladyship.

Soldiers not to kill the King's Deer.

Upon Complaint made to this House, "That the Soldiers do destroy the Deer in Hyde Parke, and Marribone Parke, and other the King's Parks near London:" It is (fn. 1) Ordered, That the Lord General the Earl of Essex, and the Earl of Warwicke, be desired from this House, to give Order to the Captains and Officers, to keep the aforesaid Parks, and all the King's Parks near London, free from destroying of the Deer, or pulling up the Pales, or committing any other Spoil upon the same.

Archbishop of Canterbury's Public and Private Library at Lambeth House secured, and Leave for him to move his other Goods away.

Upon reading the Petition of the Archbishop of Cant. shewing, "That, he understanding that his House at Lambeth is taken up for some Public Service, he humbly desires that the Library which is there, appertaining to that Bishoprick, and his own Study of Books, and some other Goods of small Value which he hath there, may remain there secure, by some Command from this House; or that (the Safety of his Books being provided for) he may have Leave and Warrant to remove such other Goods as he there hath, to Croyden, or some other Place:" And this House hereupon Ordered, That the Person that hath the Custody of that House committed unto him shall take Care that the Public Library at Lambath, and also his Grace's Library, be locked up and secured, that they be preserved from Violence (fn. 2) or Imbezzling; and that his Grace shall have Liberty to remove his Goods he hath there, to Croiden, or some other Place.

Message from the H. C. for a Conference about sending the Petition to the King.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Sir John Evelyn, Knight:

To desire a present Conference, by a Committee of both Houses, touching the sending of the Petition to the King.

The Answer returned was:


That this House will give a present Conference, in the Painted Chamber, as is desired.

The House was adjourned during Pleasure, and the Lords went to the Conference; which being ended, the House was resumed.

The Speaker reported the Effect of this Conference, which was:

Conference reported.

"That Mr. Pym said, he was sent by the House of Commons, to communicate to their Lordships (fn. 3) some Votes, which are different to a former Vote; which were read, as follows: videlicet,

Petition to be sent to the King.

"Resolved, upon the Question,

"That the Petition shall be sent to His Majesty."

Agreed to.

Reasons for it.

"The Reasons that induced the House of Commons to make this Vote were these:

"1. The great Advantage we should have by a wellsettled Peace; for thereby we should the better intend the War in Ireland, and it would unite the King and the Kingdom more closely, and prevent the Loss of our Religion and the Liberties of the Subject; for other Peace than that, they are resolved never to accept.

"2. The House of Commons did consider the Danger which the King's Person was in at the last Battle.

"3. The great Mischiefs that War hath already brought upon the Commonwealth, which would be increased if the War should be continued, so much Blood being already spilt at the last Battle, and many of great Quality being lost."

Sir John Evelyn may go with the other Committees.

"That it shall be left to the Liberty of Sir John Evelyn, to go with the rest appointed to present the Petition to His Majesty, if he shall think fit."

Agreed to.

"This Motion proceeded from Sir Jo. Evelyn himself.

Lord General to draw out the Army To-morrow.

"The Second Head of the Conference was: To join with the House of Commons, to desire the Lord General to draw out his Army To-morrow Morning; and that a Proclamation go out this Afternoon, for all Soldiers, on Pain of Death, to repair to their Colours."

Agreed to, and Ordered accordingly.

To send a Committee into the City, to acquaint them with these Resolutions, and the Reasons.

"These Things considered, the House of Commons desire their Lordships to join with them, to send a Committee of both Houses to London, To-morrow Morning, to the City of London, to acquaint them with the Reasons as moved the Parliament to send this Petition to His Majesty; and to let them know, that the Resolution of the Parliament (fn. 4) is, that they will never agree unto any Peace, but what shall be fully for the Preservation of Religion, the Liberty of the Subject, and the settling the Peace of the Kingdom; and, if this cannot be effectually done, both Houses are resolved to spend their Lives and their Fortunes in the Maintenance thereof."

Ordered, That this House agrees to all the Votes and Propositions now brought from the House of Commons.

Lord Mayor to call a Common Hall for that Purpose.

Ordered, That the Lord Mayor of the City of London be sent to, to call a Common Hall, against Six of the Clock this Evening, if he can; or else against Nine of the Clock To-morrow Morning.

Message to the H. C. to acquaint them with it.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Serjeant Whitfeilde and Serjeant Glanvile:

To let them know, that this House agrees with them in all these Votes and Propositions delivered at the late Conference; and that their Lordships have sent to the Lord Mayor, to call a Common Hall, to meet this Evening, at Six of the Clock, or else To-morrow Morning.

Committee to go into the City.

These Lords following were appointed Committees to go to the City, with a proportionable Number of the House of Commons: videlicet,

E. Suffolke.
E. Sarum.
E. Holland.
Ds. Howard de Esc.

Message to the H. C. for a Committee of theirs to join them.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Sir Edw. Leech and Doctor Ayliff:

To acquaint the House of Commons, that this House have appointed (fn. 5); Six Lords, to join with a proportionable Number of the House of Commons, to go to the City.

Ordered, That a Letter be sent to the King, to acquaint Him that the Committees of both Houses intend to wait on Him To-morrow, with the Petition.

Letter to Lord Falkland, that the Committees will attend the King To-morrow with the Petition.

"My Lord,

"I am commanded, by my Lords the Peers assembled in Parliament, to desire your Lordship to advertise His Majesty, that the late Petition, resolved of by both Houses of Parliament, will To-morrow be presented unto Him; which they believe proper for your Lordship's Knowledge, that so His Majesty may be acquainted with it. And thus I rest,

9th Nov. 1642.

"Your Lordship's most affectionate Servant,


"For the Right Honourable the Lord Viscount Falkland, Principal Secretary to His Majesty; or, in his Absence, to any of the Lords the Peers attending His Majesty."

(fn. 6) The Messengers return with this Answer:

Answer from the H. C.

That the House of Commons have appointed a proportionable Number of their House, to join with the Committee of Lords, to go to the City To-morrow.


  • 1. Deest in Originali.
  • 2. Origin. nor.
  • 3. Origin. with some.
  • 4. Deest in Originali.
  • 5. Sic.
  • 6. Origin. they.