House of Lords Journal Volume 5: 16 February 1643

Pages 607-608

Journal of the House of Lords: Volume 5, 1642-1643. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1767-1830.

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DIE Jovis, videlicet, 16 die Februarii.


Earl of Manchester appointed to be Speaker this Day.

Watts, Lord Howard's Servant's Privilege.

Upon Information, "That Thomas Watts, Servant to the Lord Howard of Esc. is arrested, contrary to the Privilege of Parliament:" It is Ordered, That the said Thomas Watts shall presently be released from his Imprisonment, without paying any Fees or Charges in the Prison where he is; and that John Milborne at whose Suit he was arrested, and Benjamin Powell Bailiff, shall be attached, and brought before this House, to answer their Offences.

Lady Wray, a Pass.

Ordered, That the Lady Eliz Wray shall have a Pass, to come to London, to take Physick for her Health.

Mr. Osbaston, a Pass to Oxford.

Ordered, That Mr. Osbaston, a Page of the Back Stairs to the Prince, shall have a Pass, to go to Oxford, to perform the Duty of his Place there.

Gregson, for breaking open the Countess of Devon's Stables.

Gregson was called in, and demanded why he broke open the Stable of the Countess of Devon. He said, He heard, going the Round, that Two White Horses were come from Oxford; and, being informed that they were put into the Stable of the Countess of Devon, and he seeing there were none there, he went away without taking away any of the Horses."

Dismissed, with an Admonition.

Hereupon this House Ordered, That he shall be released, with an Admonition to be given him, that he be not busy hereafter to search any Stables for Horses.

Message from the H. C. about Two Votes concerning the Propositions to the King;

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Henry Marten; which consisted of many Particulars:

1. That whereas their Lordships were pleased to communicate unto them Two Votes, wherein the House of Commons agreed with their Lordships in the First Vote, and made some additional Votes; and that they have brought up, and given some Reasons why they have not agreed with their Lordships in the Two Votes; and have made divers Votes, which the House of Commons desires their Lordships to (fn. 1) take into Consideration, and to give them as speedy an Answer as conveniently their Lordships can.

to expedite the Ordinance, for taxing the Estates of Malignants;

2. They desired their Lordships would give Expedition to the Ordinance for assessing and taxing of the Estates of Malignants.

and for Concurrence in the following Ordinances.

3. They desire their Lordships Concurrence in these Ordinances following:

1. An Ordinance concerning Sussex.
2. An Ordinance concerning Coventry.
3. An Ordinance concerning Cheshire.
4. An Ordinance concerning the Cure of St. Margarett's Lothbury, in London.
5. An Ordinance for the Price of Newcastle Coals.

The Answer returned by these Messengers was:

Answer to the H. C.

That their Lordships intend to take (fn. 2) the Votes brought up into Consideration presently; and concerning the rest of the Particulars of this Message, their Lordships will send an Answer by Messengers of their own.

Votes concerning the Propositions to the King.

Then the House took into Consideration the Votes brought from the House of Commons, and the Reasons concerning the Disbanding of the Armies.

The Votes and the Reasons were read: And, after Debate;

The House Resolved, (fn. 3) Not to recede from their former Votes; but to adhere to them, notwithstanding the Reasons of the House of Commons.

And Resolved, To have a Conference with the House of Commons, and to acquaint them,

"That this House thinks it fit that, from the Beginning of the Treaty, the Time may not exceed Twenty Days.

"That His Majesty's Propositions concerning His Magazines, Towns, and Forts, and Ships, and the Proposition of both Houses for the Disbanding of all Armies, may be first treated of.

"That the remote Armies may be disbanded by the last of March, and sooner if it may be.

"That the King's Army under the Command of the Earl of Forth, and the Army under the Command of the Earl of Essex raised by the Parliament, may be disbanded by the Tenth of April, and sooner if it may be.

"That there may be a present Cessation of all Acts of Hostility on both Sides, until the Treaty be ended; and that all other Things may continue in the same State, without any further Intercourse or free Passage than is at this present.

"And because that Money will be necessary to maintain the Army, this House thought it fit to propound to the House of Commons, to join with their Lordships, in sending to the Lord Mayor of London, to call a Common Council To-morrow [ (fn. 4) in the Afternoon], at Three of the Clock, to move them to advance Money for the Supply of the Army."


  • 1. Origin. take them.
  • 2. Deest in Originali.
  • 3. Bis in Originali.
  • 4. Bis in Originali.