House of Lords Journal Volume 5: 20 March 1643

Pages 655-656

Journal of the House of Lords: Volume 5, 1642-1643. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1767-1830.

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DIE Lunæ, 20 die Martii.


Earl of Manchester was appointed to be Speaker this Day.

The Messengers return with this Answer:

That they delivered their Message to the House of Commons; that this House agreed with them in the Alterations in the Instructions to be given to the Committees that are to go to the King, to treat upon the Propositions; and likewise to the (fn. 1)

E. of Northumberland to repair to London, when he pleases.

Ordered, That the Earl of Northumberland, One of the Committees of Peers that go to Oxford to treat with the King, shall hereby have Liberty and Power to repair to London, upon any emergent Occasion, as he shall think fit, either to inform this House or otherwise; and that the House of Commons shall be acquainted herewith, and be desired that their Committees may have the same Liberty given them.

Committee at Conventry refuse to send up the E. of Newport to the Lords, without Order of the H. C.

This House was informed, "That the Committees at Coventry refuse to send up the Earl of Newport (stayed by them) to this House, according to their Lordships Order, unless they have Directions from the House of Commons:" Hereupon this House Resolved, To have a Conference with the House of Commons, to acquaint them that this House conceives this to be a great Breach of their Lordships Privileges (especially the Earl of Newport being a Peer of this House); and that their Lordships have forborne to do any (fn. 2) Thing herein to repair themselves, before they have acquainted the House of Commons therewith; therefore they hope the House of Commons will give their Lordships Reparation herein, and desire the like may be done no more hereafter.

Plumer and Allen committed, for opening the E. of Holland's Letter;

John Plumer and George Allen, the Scouts that opened the Letter of the Bishop of Chichester, directed to the Earl of Holland; and, upon their Confession of the said Fact, this House Ordered, That the said John Plumer and George Allen, for this presumptuous Fact and Insolency, shall be cashiered of their Employment (fn. 3) in the Troop, and be committed to the Prison of The Gatehouse, there to remain during the Pleasure of this House.

Captain Washborne to cashier them.

The Captain was called, and commanded to cashier them out of his Troop.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Mr. Serjeant Whitfeilde and Mr. Serjeant Glanvile:

To deliver unto them Sir Hugh Pollard's Petition; and to let them know, that their Lordships are inclined to grant the Petition, because he was apprehended in his House by Warrant from the Earl of Bedford, and not by any (fn. 4) Order of Parliament.

Deuherst, a Protection.

Ordered, That Mr. Deuhurst, of Chesun Nunnery, shall have the Protection of this House, to preserve his House and Goods (fn. 5) from Plundering and Spoiling.

Rosse's Petition, to have his Money restored to him, that was seized at Gravesend going to Scotland.

Upon the humble Petition of Wm. Rosse, Her Majesty's Servant; shewing, "That he, being sick, is advised by his Physicians to go into his own Country in Scotland, and hereupon made Money of all he had, to the Value of Eleven Hundred Pounds, which he put into his Trunks, to be sent to Gravesende, and from thence to Scotland; which, coming to Gravesende, was there seized on by the Searchers, upon Pretence that the same was to be carried beyond Sea contrary to the Statute; whereas the same was not intended to be transported otherwise or elsewhere than within the Seas, and His Majesty's own Dominions; and if, in Strictness of Law, the same should become forfeited, it is through Ignorance, and will be his utter (fn. 6) Undoing: Therefore humbly prays, that, upon giving in Security into His Majesty's Court of Exchequer according to the Course of the said Court, the Petitioner's Money may be restored to him by the said Searchers; and that Mr. Baron Trevor may receive Directions accordingly."


Ordered, That this House grants this Petition, and directs Mr. Baron Trevor to take Security, and give Order for the restoring of the said Money accordingly.

Delinquents for Words against the E. of Suffolk.

Ordered, That the Lord Grey of Warke shall Tomorrow give in the Names of those Persons, which he undertook to discover to this House, touching the scandalous Speeches concerning the Earl of Suffolke.

Reynolds and Thornton, a Pass.

Ordered, That Mr. Reynolds and Mr. Thornton shall (fn. 7) have Passes, to go to Oxford, one to attend the Great Seal, and the other to attend the Office of the Petty Bag.

Message to the H. C. to give their Committees, who are to go to the King Leave to come to Town occasionally; and for a Conference about the E. of Newport.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons by Sir Rob't Rich and Mr. Page:

To desire them to give their Committees Liberty and Power to repair to London, upon any emergent Occasion, as they shall think fit, either to inform the Parliament of any Concernment, or otherwise; and to let them know, that their Lordships have given their Committee the same Liberty; and further, to desire a Conference concerning the Earl of Newporte.

E. of Nottingham, Leave to go to Sea, with the E. of Warwick.

Ordered, That the Earl of Nott. have Leave of this House to go to Sea, with the Earl of Warwicke, for a little Time.

The Messengers return with this Answer from the House of Commons:

Answer from the H. C.

That, concerning the Liberty to be given to their Committees that go to treat with the King, and concerning the Earl of Newport, they will return an Answer by Messengers of their own.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by the Lord Viscount Cranborne:

Further Answer.

That they are ready to give their Lordships a present Conference, touching the Earl of Newport; and desire a Conference touching the Leave given to the Earl of Northumb.

The Answer returned was:

That their Lordships will give a present Conference, in the Painted Chamber, as is desired.

Heron, who brought the Message from the King, stopped in his Return by the Court of Guard, though he had a Pass from this House.

Captain of the Guard sent for.

Upon Information given to this House, "That Henry Heron Esquire, who lately brought the Message from His Majesty, having the Pass of this House for his going to Oxford, yet notwithstanding was stayed at the Court of Guard at Hide-Parke Yesterday, (fn. 8) and not permitted to go:" Hereupon this House Ordered, That the Officer that commanded in Chief Yesterday at the Court of Guard at Hyde-Parke shall be sent for, to appear before this House To-morrow Morning, to give an Account why the said Captain Heron was stayed, and not permitted to pass according to the Order of this House.

The House was adjourned during Pleasure, and the Lords went to the Conference; which being ended, the House was resumed.

Report of the Conference about the Committees who are to go to the King coming to Town occasionally.

And the Speaker reported the Effect of this Conference; which was, "To acquaint their Lordships with Two Resolutions of the House of Commons:

"1. That the Committee appointed to go to Oxford shall have Power to send any One of the Committee of this House, upon any emergent Occasion, to take the further Advice of this House."

Agreed to.

Western Carriers, &c. plundered by the King's Forces.

"2. That the Committee take a fitting and speedy Opportunity to inform His Majesty, that, although His Majesty hath lately given Public Assurance, by His Proclamation, for the free Passage of Horse, Carriers, Waggoners, and Wainmen, that yet, notwithstanding, divers Carriers, Waggoners, and Wainmen, of the Counties of Somersett, Wilts, Devon, and Gloucester, were this last Week robbed, by Parties of His Majesty's Army issuing out of Reading; under the Command of Colonel Willmot, Sir Arthur Aston, and others; and to pray Restitution and Punishment of those who have presumed to violate His Majesty's Word, so publicly given."


E. of Northumberland to come to Town occasionally.

Ordered, That the Earl of Northumberland, appointed to be a Committee to attend His Majesty at Oxon, to treat about the Propositions for Peace, is hereby authorized, upon any emergent Occasion, to come up to the Parliament, to receive further Advice.

Message to the H. C. that the Lords agree to these Votes.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Sir Rob't Rich and Mr. Page:

To let the House of Commons know, that their Lordships do agree with them in the Votes brought up at the last Conference.


House adjourned till 10a cras.


  • 1. Sic.
  • 2. Deest in Originali.
  • 3. Origin. and.
  • 4. Origin. other.
  • 5. Origin. for.
  • 6. Origin. doing.
  • 7. Deest in Originali.
  • 8. Bis in Originali.