House of Lords Journal Volume 6: 12 October 1643

Journal of the House of Lords: Volume 6, 1643. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1767-1830.

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'House of Lords Journal Volume 6: 12 October 1643', in Journal of the House of Lords: Volume 6, 1643, (London, 1767-1830) pp. 254-255. British History Online [accessed 2 March 2024]


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DIE Jovis, 12 die Octobris.


Lords present:

Lord Grey Speaker.

E. Essex.
E. Sarum.
E. Warwicke.
E. Bollingbrooke.
E. Stamford.
L. Viscount Say & Seale.
E. Denbigh.
E. Lyncolne.
Ds. Howard.

Answer from the H. C.

The Messengers sent Yesterday to the House of Commons return with this Answer:

That they agree to the Ordinance concerning the Merchant Adventurers, with the Alterations.

(Here enter it.)

The Order formerly brought up from the House of Commons, to refer it to the Assembly of Divines, to treat of a Discipline and Church Government, was read, and Agreed to.

Order for the Assembly of Divines, to consider of a Form of Church Gomen', and of a Liturgy.

"Upon serious Consideration of the present State and Conjuncture of the Affairs of this Kingdom, the Lords and Commons assembled in this present Parliament do Order, That the Assembly of Divines and others do forthwith confer, and treat among themselves, of such a Discipline and Government as may be most agreeable to God's Holy Word, and most apt to procure and preserve the Peace of the Church at Home, and nearer Agreement with the Church of Scotland and other Reformed Churches abroad, to be settled in this Church, in Stead and Place of the present Government by Archbishops, Bishops, their Chancellors, Commissaries, Deans, Deans and Chapters, Arch-deacons, and other Ecclesiastical Officers depending upon the Hierarchy, which is Resolved to be taken away; and touching and concerning the Directory of Worship, or Liturgy, hereafter to be in the Church; and to deliver their Opinions and Advices, of and touching the same, to both or either Houses of Parliament, with all the convenient Speed they can."

Message to the H. C. that the Lords agree to it, and the Order for making a Great Seal.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Serjeant Whittfeild and Serjeant Fynch:

To let them know, that this House agrees with them in the Vote for making a Great Seal of England, for the Dispatch of the Affairs of the Parliament and the Kingdom; and that this House agrees with them in the Order to give Power to the Assembly to treat of Church Government.

Message to them, that the Lords will adjourn to Monday.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Sir Rob't Rich and Mr. Page:

To let them know, that this House intends to adjourn until Monday next.

Delinquents, who cut Wood in Enfield Chace, released.

Ordered, That the Four Prisoners that cut and sold Wood out of the King's Chace in Enfeild Forrest, that, upon their putting in Security before the Chancellor of the Dutchy Court, never to commit the like Offence again, they shall be released of their present Imprisonment.

Certificate of the Services of Newton, Mayo, and Wadsworth, in discovering Jesuits, &c.

Upon reading the Certificate of Mr. Recorder Glynn, That he hath examined the particular Services of Francis Newton, Thomas Mayo, and James Wadesworth; and finds that they have faithfully performed the Particulars formerly by them presented to their Lordships, as appears under the several Certificates under the Hands of the Clerk of the Peace for the County of Midd. and the Clerk of Newgate, together with a Letter from the Committee of the House of Commons for Examinations, directed to the Lord Mayor of the City of London; which Service, he conceiveth, merits a due and considerable Reward, not only for their past Labours, but for the Encouragement of them and others employed in that Service for the future.

21 September, 1643.

"J. Glynn."

Recommended to the Lord Mayor, to be rewarded.

Hereupon it is Ordered, To be recommended to the Lord Mayor and Court of Aldermen for the City of London, with their Lordships Declaration, That these Persons, for this Service to the Commonwealth, in discovering of Priests and Jesuits, do merit and deserve a speedy Reward.

Answers from the H. C.

The Messengers sent to the House of Commons, concerning the Great Seal and Order for the Assembly, return with this Answer:

That they have delivered their Message.

The Messengers sent to the House of Commons return with this Answer:

That they have delivered their Message touching adjourning till Monday.

Message from thence, that they will adjourn to Monday;

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Sir Walter Erle Knight:

That the House of Commons intends, when their House rises, to adjourn their House until Monday next.

and with a Deputy Lieutenant's Name for Essex.

2. To desire Concurrence, that Mr. Henry Barrington of Colchester be added a Deputy Lieutenant for the County of Essex.

Agreed to.

(fn. 1) The Answer returned was:


That their Lordships do agree to the nominating Mr. Barrington to be a Deputy Lieutenant in Essex.

Examination about Intelligence of what passed at a Committee being sent to Oxford.

Next, the House took into Consideration how to find out the Person that gave the Information to Oxford of the Words spoken in Private at a Committee; there being but Four Lords, and One Assistant, Mr. Serjeant Whitfeilde, present.

The Earl of Denbigh, being One of the Lords then present, professed, upon his Honour, "He gave no Information of any Thing as was spoken."

The Lord Viscount Say & Seale and the Lord Wharton, though absent upon Service of the House, by the Earl of Essex, did profess, upon their Honours, "That they have given no Information to Oxford of any Thing spoken."

Mr. Serjeant Whitfeild professed, "That he gave no Information."

Hereupon this House thought it fit to refer the Consideration of this Business until Monday next.

Ordinance for new-incorporating the Merchant Adventurers.

"For the better Encouragement and Supportation of the Fellowship of Merchants Adventurers of England, which hath been found very serviceable and profitable unto this State; and for the better Government and Regulation of Trade, especially that ancient and great Trade of Cloathing, whereby the same will be much advanced, to the common Good and Benefit of the People; the Lords and Commons in Parliament do Ordain, That the said Fellowship shall continue and be a Corporation; and shall have Power to levy Monies on the Members of their Corporation and their Goods, for their necessary Charge and Maintenance of their Government; and that no Person shall trade into those Parts limited by their Incorporation, but such as are free of that Corporation, upon Forfeiture of their Goods: Provided, That the said Fellowship shall not exclude any Person from his Freedom and Admission into the said Fellowship, which shall desire it, by Way of Redemption, if such Person by their Custom be capable thereof, and hath been bred a Merchant, and shall pay One Hundred Pounds for the same, if he be free, and an Inhabitant of the City of London, and trade from that Port; or Fifty Pounds, if he be not free, and no Inhabitant of the said City, and trade not from thence; and that the said Fellowship shall have Power to imprison Members of their Company in Matters of Government, and to give such an Oath or Oaths to them as shall be approved of by both Houses of Parliament: Provided, That all Rights, confirmed by Act of Parliament, or ancient Charters, shall be hereby saved. And the said Lords and Commons do further Ordain, That, with all convenient Expedition, a Bill shall be prepared, in order to an Act of Parliament to be passed in this present Parliament, for the further settling and full confirming of the Privileges to the said Fellowship, with such other Clauses and Provisions as shall be found expedient by both Houses of Parliament; this Ordinance to remain in full Force until a Bill or Act shall be prepared and passed, according to the Intent and true Meaning of this Ordinance. And it is Ordered, That this Ordinance be forthwith printed and published, that all Persons concerned therein take Notice thereof, as appertaineth."


House adjourned till Monday next.


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