House of Lords Journal Volume 6: 17 October 1643

Journal of the House of Lords: Volume 6, 1643. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1767-1830.

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'House of Lords Journal Volume 6: 17 October 1643', in Journal of the House of Lords: Volume 6, 1643, (London, 1767-1830) pp. 260-261. British History Online [accessed 1 March 2024]


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DIE Martis, 17 die Octobris.


Lords present:

The Lord Grey of Warke.

Comes Northumb.
Comes Essex.
Comes Bollingbrooke.
Comes Stamford.
Comes Rutland.
L. Viscount Say & Seale.
Comes Denbigh.
Comes Lyncolne.
Ds. Howard.
Ds. Hunsden.
Ds. Wharton.

Mr. Clement Walker, Leave to attend the Council of War, about the Surrender of Bristol by Colonel Fiennes.

The House was moved, "That whereas a Council of War is appointed by the Lord General, to be [ (fn. 1) at Windsor], on Thursday next, touching the Surrender of Bristoll by Colonel Nath. Fiennes:" And because Mr. Clement Walker, who is committed by this House to The Tower of London, is summoned to be there; and because the said Mr. Walker shall not pretend any Excuse for his not appearing there at the Time appointed; it is Ordered, That the said Mr. Walker shall hereby have Liberty to appear at the Time and Place appointed by the Lord General, and presently go abroad, upon Bail given for the true rendering of himself again to the Custody of the Serjeant at Arms, or with his Keeper, to prepare himself for the said Trial.

Message from the H. C. for Committees to go to the Lord General, about advancing the Armies.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Sir Henry Vane Knight:

1. To desire their Lordships to appoint a Committee, to join with a Committee of the House of Commons, forthwith to repair to my Lord General; and to advise with his Excellency what is to be immediately done, for the speedy advancing of the Armies, and to prevent the Inconveniencies that lie upon these Counties, whereby their Payments and Contributions are to relieve and support the Armies; and to make Report hereof with all convenient Speed.

Agreed to:

Lords Committees.

And these Lords following were appointed to meet this Afternoon, at Essex House, at Three of the Clock:

Comes Northumb.
Comes Rutland.
Comes Bollingbrooke.
L. Viscount Say & Seale.
Ds. Wharton.

And with an Order.

2. To desire Concurrence in an Order to explain some Things in the Ordinance of Excise. (Here enter.)

Agreed to.

The Answer returned was:


That their Lordships do agree in the Ordinance touching the Explanation of the Ordinance of the Excise; and that their Lordships have appointed Five Lords, to meet this Afternoon, at Three of the Clock, at Essex House, as is desired.

Governors of Christ's Hospital and Hawes.

Upon reading the Petition of the Mayor and Commonalty and Citizens of the City of London, Governors of Christ's Hospital, and Anne Hawes Widow; shewing, "That whereas, upon a Petition about Three Years since exhibited to this House, against Nic. Hawes Esquire, complaining of some undue Proceedings in the Court of Wards; upon the Hearing of the said Cause, 5 Maii, 1640, it pleased their Lordships to Order, That the said Nicholas Hawes should forthwith sue out his Livery; in Obedience to which Order, the said Nic. Hawes hath sued forth his Livery accordingly: Therefore the Petitioners pray, that their Lordships would give Order for the Dismission of the said Petitioner, that so the Petitioners may be at Liberty to proceed at Law for their further Relief."

All which this House Ordered accordingly.

De Lysola, Emperor's Agent, a Pass.

Ordered, That Francis De Lysola, Agent to the Emperor, shall have a Pass, to go to Oxford, and return back again, with a Coach and Six Horses, and Six Servants.

Order for a further Explanation of the Ordinance for the Excise.

"For further Explanation of the late Ordinance of both Houses of Parliament, touching the Excise, or new Impost, upon the several Commodities therein mentioned, be it Declared and Ordained, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament, for the better enabling and encouraging of the Brewers and Makers of Beer, Ale, Perry, and Cyder (who are the Parties that are to pay the Excise, as by the said Ordinances appointed), to make due Payment thereof accordingly, That no Beer, Ale, Perry, or Cyder, shall be delivered out, by the Brewer or Maker thereof, or any for them, to any Retailer or Buyer thereof, till the Rate and Price which is by them to be paid for and in respect of the Excise be paid by the Brewer, or First Seller thereof; on Pain that as well the Retailer or Buyer, as the Brewer or First Seller thereof, shall forfeit, for the First Offence, Double the Value of every Quantity of Beer, Ale, Perry, or Cyder, so delivered out, or received by the Party so offending; and for the Second Offence Treble the Value thereof; and the Party so offending to be disabled from using their said Trades or Professions, respectively, for the Space of One whole Year then next ensuing the said Forfeiture, to be levied and employed in such Manner, and to such Uses, as by the said Ordinance is appointed, for the Penalties therein mentioned: And be it Declared, and further Ordained, That the Rates set upon every Barrel of Beer and Ale, by the said Ordinance, shall be paid for every greater or lesser Quantity proportionably, after the same Rate: And be it also further Ordered and Ordained, That for all Beer of Four Shillings the Barrel, or under, the Excise shall be paid after the Rate of Six Pence for every Barrel, and so after that Rate for a greater or lesser Quantity, under the Penalties and Forfeitures in and by the said Ordinance appointed: Provided always, and be it Ordained, That no Retailers of any Beer, Ale, Perry, or Cyder, shall take any more in the Price thereof, upon the Sale of the same Commodities, than according to the usual Rates and Prices appointed by Law for the same (excepting only the Rate of the Excise), as they will answer their Contempts herein to both Houses of Parliament: And as touching the new Draperies, it is Declared and Ordained, That the Excise due and payable for the same shall be paid by the Shop-keepers who buy the same."


House adjourned till 10a cras.


  • 1. Bis in Originali.