House of Lords Journal Volume 6: 3 May 1643

Journal of the House of Lords: Volume 6, 1643. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1767-1830.

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DIE Mercurii, 3 Maii.


Earl of Manchester, Speaker this Day.

Answer from the H. C. about the E. of Bath and Sir Hugh Pollard.

The Messengers sent Yesterday to the House of Commons return this Answer:

That, concerning the Earl of Bath and Sir Hugh Pollard, they will send their Lordships an Answer by Messengers of their own.

Message from thence, with the following Orders, &c. for Concurrence.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Reynolds:

To desire their Lordships Concurrence in these Particulars:

1. An Order to (fn. 1) depute Two Persons in every County to see the Ordinance for the Weekly Assessment put in Execution. (Here enter it.)

Agreed to.

2. Instructions how those Committees shall demean themselves. (Here enter it.)

Agreed to.

3. To desire their Lordships Concurrence for the Removing of the Three Prisoners in The Tower to the Prison of Newgate. (Here enter.)

Agreed to.

Mr. Marten refused to restore the King's Horses, pursuant to the Order of this House.

Baker, the Deputy to the Gentleman Usher, acquainted this House, "That he served to Mr. Marten the Order of this House, for the delivering and restoring of the Horses taken by his Warrant out of the King's Stable, at The Mewes: And Mr. Marten returned this Answer, That he hath perused the Order of this House, concerning the Delivery of Two Horses taken out of His Majesty's Stables at The Mewes, by Warrant from my Lord General, to be employed by him in the Service of the Parliament and the Kingdom; and that he intends to make the House of Commons To-morrow Morning (whereof he is a Member) acquainted with the whole Case, if their Leisure will permit them to hear him; and to the End that, if their Lordships shall not rest satisfied with what he told the said Baker, their Lordships may receive Satisfaction from the House of Commons, in a Conference.

"He said, That Mr. Marten further told him, That he gave a particular Warrant to De Luke his Quarter Master, for the seizing of the King's Horses; and he sees no Reason but the King's Horses as well as His Ships may be taken, for the Service of the Kingdom."

This House conceived this to be a great Contempt to the Honour of this House; and Ordered, To have a Conference with the House of Commons, to let them know, "That this House takes this Carriage of Mr. Marten's as a great Disrespect to their Lordships and the Authority of this House; which their Lordships do forbear to repair themselves, in regard Mr. Marten is a Member of their House, therefore their Lordships do think it fit to inform them first of it: and further to let them know, that their Lordships are Resolved to send to the Lord General, to acquaint him with Mr. Marten's Actions, and of the Abuse of his Power in this Particular, and desire him to re-call his Commission given to him, left, by the Power he hath, further Inconveniences may ensue: And it was Agreed, That Baker should make the Relation of the Discourse as passed between him and Mr. Marten."

Message to the H. C. for a Conference about this Matter.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Serjeant Whitfeild and Serjeant Fynch:

To desire a present Conference, concerning the Honour and Privileges of this House.

Answer to them, about the Orders, &c. brought up.

The Answer returned to the Messengers which came from the House of Commons was:

That this House agrees with the House of Commons in the Order concerning the removing of the Three Prisoners to Newgate; concerning the rest of the Particulars, this House will take the same into a speedy Consideration, and return an Answer by Messengers of their own.

Message from thence, that they agree to the Order about Gillingham Forest;

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Sir Christopher Yelverton Knight and Baronet:

1. To let their Lordships know, that the House of Commons do agree with their Lordships in the Order sent down Yesterday, concerning Gillingham Forrest, with a small Alteration. (Here enter it.)

Agreed to.

and to expedite the Ordinance for assessing Estates.

2. To desire their Lordships Expedition in the Order for cessing of the Twentieth Part of the Estates of Persons, in the several Counties.

The Answer returned was:

Answer to the H. C.

That this House agrees with the House of Commons in the Alteration in the Order concerning Gillingham Forrest; and concerning the Ordinance for assessing of the Twentieth Part, this House will take the same into speedy Consideration.

De Luke, Mr. Marten's Quarter-master, to be attached for disobeying the Order for returning the King's Horses.

Baker, upon Oath, further said, "That he served the Order of this House upon De Luke, for the Delivery of the King's Horses; who said, he denied not to obey the said Order, but would not deliver them before he had acquainted Mr. Marten his Colonel with the said Order:" Hereupon this House Ordered, That, for this Contempt, (fn. 2) he shall be attached, and brought before this House, to answer the same.

Sympson's Head to be in the Pillory.

Ordered, That an express Order shall be given to the Sheriffs of London, That Sympson shall stand with his Head in the Pillory, on Friday next, in Cheapeside.

Order about taking Horses for the Army.

An Order formerly brought up from the House of Commons, concerning the taking of Horses for the Army, was read.

Deferred till To-morrow; and then to have a Conference with the House of Commons, about some Way for preventing the Spoiling and Taking of Horses for the Parliament, and of some Way to be settled, that, when the Lord General's Warrants go out for the supplying the Army with Horses, that the Commanders may not provide themselves, but be provided by others, and the Commanders to pay for their Horses, and give an Accompt of them.

Answer from the H. C. for a Conference about Mr. Marten.

The Messengers sent to the House of Commons, return with this Answer:

That they will give a present Conference, as is desired.

The House was adjourned during Pleasure, and the Lords went to the Conference.

Ships bought at Dunkirk to be permitted to come away.

Upon Information to this House, "That some English Merchants have bought Ships at Dunkerk; but Van Trump, the Admiral of The States of Holland, will not permit them to come without a Certificate from the Earl of Warwick:" Hereupon it is Ordered, That the Earl of Warwicke be desired to send to Van Trump, to inform him of the Business, that so the Ships may be permitted to come away.

Order for Persons in every County to see the Ordinance concerning the Weekly Assessment put in Execution.

"The Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled, finding that the Monies rated upon the Counties by the Ordinance for the Weekly Assessment are not returned up with such Expedition as the emergent and present Necessities do require, have thought fit, and do Order and Ordain, That Two or more Persons of Trust shall be, and are hereby, appointed for each County, to take especial Care herein, and to put in Execution with all Industry and Fidelity, within their respective Counties for which they are appointed, these Instructions hereunto annexed; and shall have such Allowance towards their Charges and Expences in this Service, as upon their respective Accompts shall be thought fit by the Lords and Commons; videlicet, for the County of Midd. Sir John Francklyn Knight, and Sir Edward Barkham Knight and Baronet; for the County of Kent, Sir Henry Heyman Knight and Baronet, and Thomas Blunt Esquire; for the City and County of Canterbury, Sir Edward Masters and Sir William Man, Knights; for the County of Essex, Sir Richard Everard Baronet, and Sir Thomas Honywood Knight; for the County of Surrey, Sir John Dingley Knight, and John Goodwyn Esquire; for the Borough of Southwarke, with the Parishes of Redderiff, Newington Butts, and Lambeth, John White Esquire, and Cornelius Cooke; for the County of Sussex, Herbert Morley, and John Baker, Esquires; for the County of Hert. Sir Thomas Dacres Knight, and John Heydon Esquire; for the County of Cambridge, Thomas Symons Esquire, and Thomas Thomson Gentleman; for the Isle of Ely, Sir Miles Sandys Knight, and Wm. Fisher, Esquire; for the County of Suffolke, Sir William Spring Baronet, and William Heveningham Esquire; for the County of Norffolke, and the City and County of Norwich, Sir John Hubbert Baronet, Samuell Smith, and Thomas Toll, Esquires; for the County of Huntington, Onslow Winch and Terrill Joselin, Esquires; for the County of Buckingham, Henry. Bulstrode and Thomas Tyrrell, Esquires; for the County of Bedford, Sir John Burgan Baronet, and Samuell Browne Esquire; for the County of South'ton, Richard Whitehead, and Richard Norton, Esquires; for the Isle of Weight, Sir Henry Worsley Baronet, and John Bulckley Esquire; for the County of North'ton, Sir Richard Samuell Knight, and John Crewe Esquire; for the County of Berks, Sir Francis Knollis the Younger, and Tanfeild Vachell Esquire; for the County of Wilts, Sir Edward Hungerford Knight, and Edward Goddard of Upham Esquire; for the County of Som'sett, Sir John Horner Knight, and Alexander Popham Esquire; for the County of Dorsett, Sir Walter Erle Knight, and John Fitz James of Lewson Esquire; for the County of Warwick, Godfrey Boswell and George Abbotts, Esquires; for the County of Gloucester and the County of the City of Gloucester, Sir Robert Coke, Knight, Edward Stephens, and Thomas Pury, Esquires; for the City of Westm. Sir Robert Pye and John Glynne, Esquire."

"Instructions agreed upon by the Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled, for the Gentlemen that are appointed, by the Ordinance hereunto annexed, to take Care, within their respective Counties, for the speedy Payment of the Weekly Assessments, and other Payments for the Army.

Instructions how the aforesaid Committees shall demean themselves.

"1. You shall forthwith call all the Collectors within the several Divisions before you, and strictly examine what Monies have been already collected by virtue of the Ordinance for the Weekly Assessment, and cause all such Monies to be with all possible Speed safely sent up to the Treasurer of the Army, according to the said Ordinance.

"2. Such Monies as are due, or shall grow due, and not yet collected, you shall cause to be speedily levied, and sent up as aforesaid.

"3. Where you shall find the said Ordinance hath not been put in Execution, you shall inform yourselves who be the Committees of that Division, and through whose Default such Neglect hath happened, and certify their Names to the Lords and Commons in Parliament.

"4. You shall cause such Committees as are next to the Place where such Negligence or Defect shall be found, forthwith to put the said Ordinance in Execution, and to make their Assessments for the whole Three Months mentioned in the said Ordinance; and to appoint Collectors, with all Speed, to collect the same, according to the said Ordinance.

"5. You shall enquire whether the Assessors throughout the said County have made their Assessments according to the said Ordinance; and such as you shall find to have been negligent or otherwise faulty therein, you shall cause them to be fined by the Committees, according to the Power given by the said Ordinance; and their Fines to be collected and returned together with the rest of the Money assessed.

"6. You shall likewise cause all Collectors, who have neglected their Duties in collecting the said Assessments, to be fined according to the said Ordinance, and their Fines to be levied and returned accordingly.

"7. You shall take Care that a true and exact List be forthwith made in Parchment, fair written, of the Names and Surnames and Places of Abode of all such Persons within the said County, as are assessed by virtue of the said Ordinance, and refuse to pay the Monies so assessed upon them, and whose Monies you cannot levy (fn. 3), and return a true Copy of the said List, under the Hands of the said Committees, or under the Hands of Two of them at the least, that such further Course be taken with such Persons so listed as shall be thought fit.

"8. You shall take special Care that all Monies hereafter to be levied by any other Ordinance of Parliament, for the maintaining of the said Army, be duly and speedily levied accordingly.

"9. You shall Once every Week, and oftener if it may be, give an Account in Writing of your Proceedings herein, and of all other Things you shall conceive advantageous for this Service, to the Speaker of the House of Commons."

Order for removing Lord Macguire, Mac Mahowne, and Reade, to Newgate.

"It is this Day Ordered, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled, That the Lord Macquire, Hugh Mack Mahowne, and Colonel Reade, shall be forthwith removed from The Tower, paying their Fees, to the Gaol at Newgate, and there kept close Prisoners, being committed for High Treason.

"To the Gentleman Usher attending this House, or his Deputy, to be delivered to the Lieutenant of The Tower of London, or his Deputy.

"To the Gentleman Usher attending this House, or his Deputy, to be delivered to the Keeper of Newgate, or his Deputy."

Order for preventing disorderly Assemblies in Dorset, Somerset, &c.

"The Lords and Commons having received Information, that certain riotous and disorderly Persons, in great Numbers, have been and are gathered together, in and about Meere, Shaftsbury, and Froone Selwood, and other Places thereabouts, in the Counties of Dorsett, Som'sett, and Wilts; and, having armed themselves with Muskets, Fowling-pieces, and other Weapons, break open Houses, throw down Inclosures, and spoil divers of the King's Subjects, and commit many other Outrages, to the Disturbance of the Peace and Quiet of those Counties, and are come to that Height of Insolency as openly to profess they neither care for Order of Parliament nor Proclamation: They, the said Lords and Commons, taking into their serious Considerations the evil Consequence that might ensue, if such riotous Assemblies should not be suppressed, and the Offenders brought to condign Punishment, and to prevent the like for the Time to come, lest, upon such Occasions, Persons illaffected to the State may meet together, and grow into a Body, and so break out into open War and Hostility, have thought fit, and Ordered, and do hereby Order and appoint, Sir Walter Erle for the County of Dorsett, Sir John Horner for the County of Som'sett, and Sir Edward Hungerford for the County of Wilts, and all other the Deputy Lieutenants of those several Counties, jointly and respectively, and all others who have Command of any of the Forces raised by the Authority of Parliament in any of the said Counties, upon Notice to them given, or Knowledge had, of any such Assemblies, to repair with sufficient Forces to those Places where they shall be, and them suppress and disperse, and lay Hold on the principal Ringleaders and Abettors, that they may receive such Punishment as they deserve; and all Justices of Peace, Constables, and others His Majesty's Officers and loving Subjects, are hereby required to be aiding and assisting in the said Service, as they will answer the contrary to the Lords and Commons in Parliament."


Adjourn till 10 a cras.


  • 1. Origin. Deputy.
  • 2. Origin. she.
  • 3. Origin. levy by.