House of Lords Journal Volume 6: 16 February 1644

Pages 428-430

Journal of the House of Lords: Volume 6, 1643. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1767-1830.

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DIE Veneris, 16 die Februarii.

PRAYERS, by Mr. Wilkinson.

Lords present this Day:

Ds. Grey de Warke, Speaker.

Comes Pembrooke.
L. General.
Comes Sarum.
Comes Kent.
Comes Stamford.
Comes Bolingbrooke.
Comes Lyncolne.
Comes Rutland.
L. Admiral.
Comes Northumb.
Comes Suffolke.
L. Viscount Say & Seale.
Comes Manchester.
Comes Denbigh.
Ds. Wharton.
Ds. Dacres.
Ds. Howard.
Ds. Hunsdon.
Ds. Bruse.
Ds. Willoughby.

Answer from the H. C.

The [ (fn. 1) Answer, by the] Messengers that carried the Ordinance, which was brought in Yesterday and passed, was:

That they will send an Answer by Messengers of their own.

E. of Stamford Apartments in Whitehall.

Ordered, That the Earl of Pembrooke do appoint the Earl of Stamford Lodgings in Whitehall.

Lord Coventry's Petition.

Ordered, That the Petition of the Lord Coventry is hereby referred to the Committee for Sequestrations, with the Orders of this House annexed.


Ordered, That Steven Spratt shall be forthwith released from his Imprisonment in Newgate.

Message from the H. C. to expedite the Ordinance sent up from them, concerning the Committees of both Kingdoms.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Strode and others:

To desire their Lordships would give Expedition to the Ordinance concerning the joining of the Counsels of both Kingdoms, which concerns so nearly the Safety and Preservation of both Kingdoms, which will admit of no Delay.


The Answer returned was:

That their Lordships will take this Message into Consideration, and send an Answer by Messengers of their own.

The House took the said Ordinance into Consideration; and this House unanimously agreed to it, as it came from the House of Commons. (Here enter it.)

Message to them, that the Lords have agreed to it;

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Sir Rob't Rich and Mr. Page:

To let them know, that this House agrees to the Ordinance for joining the Counsels of both Kingdoms, as it was brought up to them.

and for the Sequestration of the Earl of Westmorland's Estate to be taken off.

And also to deliver them the Petition of the Earl of Westmerland; and to acquaint them, that he hath taken the Covenant, and hath promised to be constant to the Proceedings of Parliament: Therefore to desire them to join with this House, that the Sequestration of his Lordship's Estate may be taken off, he coming upon the Invitation of the Declaration of both Kingdoms, and desiring to receive the Benefit thereof.

Church Government to be settled.

Ordered, To send to the House of Commons, to join with this House, to send to the Assembly, to desire that they would hasten the settling of Church Government in this Kingdom: And further it is Ordered, To have a Conference with the House of Commons, that, in the mean Time, some Expedient may be found to prevent Tumults; and that none may be suffered to preach in the Churches in London, but such as shall be with the Consent of the Ministers of the Parish.

Message to the H. C. for a Conference about it.

The Messengers aforesaid are to further desire a Conference, as soon as may stand with their Conveniency, touching the settling of Church Government.

The E. of Northumb.
E. of Pembrooke,
E. of Manchester, and
The L. Wharton,

Are appointed to consider what is fit to be said at this Conference, concerning the speedy Settling of the Church Government of this Kingdom.

Ordinance for raising Forces in Middlesex.

The Lord Admiral reported, "That the Committee have considered of the Ordinance concerning the raising of Forces in the County of Midd. and they think it fit to pass, with a Proviso, that the Rates set upon Peers, and Assistants and Attendants on this House, shall be presented to this House to be approved of, before they be levied:" To which Ordinance this House (fn. 2) Agreed, with the said Proviso.

Order for 200 l. to Major Lidcott.

The Order (fn. 3) which came from the House of Commons, for paying Two Hundred Pounds to Major Lidcott and Captain Vivers, was this (fn. 3) Day read, and Agreed to. (Here enter it.)

Excise at Hull to be appropriated to the Garrison there.

Also an Order was read, which came from the House of Commons, for allowing the Excise of the Town of Hull towards the Payment of the Garrison at Hull: And this House agreed to (fn. 3) it. (Here enter it.)

Covenant to be tendered to Peers who have Leave to be beyond Sea.

Ordered, That these Lords following are appointed to consider what Course shall be taken, how the Covenant shall be tendered to such Peers as have Leave from this House to travel beyond the Seas.

Comes Northumb.
L. Admiral.
Comes Sarum.
Comes Stamford.
Comes Bolingbrooke.
Comes Pembrooke.
Their Lordships, or any Three, to meet when they please.

Trinity House Petition, about their Assessment.

Upon reading the Petition of the Master, Wardens, and Society of The Trinity House, (fn. 4) desiring to be eased for the Rates of their Twentieth Parts: It is Ordered, That the said Petition is hereby referred to the Committee at Habberdashers Hall, to give such Relief to them herein as they shall find agreeable to Justice.

Answer from the H. C.

The Messengers sent to the House of Commons return with this Answer:

That they will take the Petition of the Earl of Westm'land into their speedy Consideration, and send an Answer by Messengers of their own; and that they will give a present Conference, as is desired.

Clotworthies and Middleton.

Ordered, That the Cause between the Clattworthies and Symon Middleton is hereby dismissed this House, and left to the ordinary Course in Law.

The Earl of Manchester reported what the Committee hath thought (fn. 5) fit to be spoken at the next Conference; which being read, this House approved thereof; videlicet,

Heads for the Conference about settling Church Government.

"That, considering the many urgent Reasons of having the Government of the Church speedily settled, the Lords desire the House of Commons to join with them, in sending to the Assembly, to hasten and speed their Advice to the Houses of Parliament, for the settling of all Things that concern the present Discipline of the Church; and that, in the mean Time, till such a Settlement be agreed on, that an Order be sent unto the Lord Mayor, to require all the Ministers of the several Churches in London, and the Liberties thereof, that they suffer none to preach in the Places whereof they have their Charge but such as they will be answerable for."

The House was adjourned during Pleasure, and the Lords went to the Conference; which being ended, the House was resumed.

Order for 200 l. to Major Lidcott, &c.

"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled, That the Committee at Habberdashers Hall do forthwith pay Two (fn. 6) Hundred Pounds to the Treasurers at Guildhall, to be by them paid to Sir Gilbert Gerrard, and by him paid to Serjeant Major Lidcoate and Captain Vivers, and to be deducted out of the Arrears of their Pay."

Order for allowing the Excise of the Town of Hull, towards Payment of the Garrison there.

"The Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament do Order, Ordain, and Appoint, That all such Monies as are raised (and not already paid in to the Office for Excise), or which shall be raised, upon any Ordinance or Ordinances for Excise, in the Town and County of Hull, shall be paid over upon Accompt (by the Officer or Officers there appointed to collect the same) unto the Right Honourable Ferdinando Lord Fairefax, for and towards the Payment of the Garrison at Hull, until both Houses take further Order; and also, that all Monies which are collected for or upon the Customs, in or for the Town or Port of Hull (remaining in the Hands of the Officer or Officers there appointed to receive the same), or which shall be raised or collected for the said Customs, shall be paid over by the said Officer or Officers likewise upon Accompt to the said Lord Fairefax, for Pay ment of the said Garrison, until both Houses take further Order; and that the Treasurer at Wars do repay the same to the Treasurer for the Navy."

"An Ordinance for the appointing a Committee of both Houses of Parliament, to join with the Committees and Commissioners of Scotland, for the better managing the Affairs of both Nations, in the Common Cause, according to the Ends expressed in the late Covenant and Treaty between the Two Nations of England and Scotland.

Ordinance concerning the Committees of both Kingdoms.

"Whereas, by the Covenant and Treaty ratified and established between the Two Kingdoms, both Nations are engaged in one common Cause, against the Enemies of their Religion and Liberties, and, by the late Entrance of the Scottish Forces into this Kingdom in Pursuance hereof, are firmly united in a joint Posture of Arms, for their own necessary Defence, and for the attaining the Ends expressed in the Covenant and Treaty.

"And whereas both Kingdoms have thought it necessary that they should be joined in their Counsels as well as in their Forces, and, in Pursuance thereof, the Convention of the Estates of Scotland have appointed Committees, residing in Scotland and in the Scottish Army, and have sent some of the said Committees as Commissioners, for the Purposes aforesaid, to repair unto and to reside near the Parliament, who, since their Arrival, have presented their Commission and Powers, with their earnest Desire that the Parliament would lay down some speedy and constant Way of communicating the Desires and joining the Counsels of both Kingdoms, in Pursuance of the Covenant, Treaty, and common Interest of His Majesty's Dominions.

"In Consideration hereof, the Lords and Commons do nominate, ordain, and appoint, Algernon Earl of Northumberland, Robert Earl of Essex Lord General, Robert Earl of Warwick Lord Admiral, Edward Earl of Manchester, William Viscount Say & Seale, Phillip Lord Wharton, John Lord Roberts, William Perpoint, Sir Henry Vane Senior, Sir Phillip Stapleton, Sir Will'm Waller, Sir Gilbert Gerrard, Sir William Armyne, Sir Arthur Haslerigg, Sir Henry Vane Junior, John Crewe, Robert Wallopp, Oliver St. John Solicitor General, Oliver Cromwell, Samuell Browne, and John Glynn Recorder, or any Six of them, whereof One Lord and Two Commoners, to treat with the Committees and Commissioners appointed by our Brethren of Scotland, in such Things as shall by them be propounded from and in the Name of the Kingdom of Scotland for the Ends aforesaid; as likewise to propound to the Committees and Commissioners of Scotland whatever they shall receive in Charge from both Houses, and, from Time to Time, to advise and consult concerning the same, and report the Results to both Houses.

"And further Power and Authority is hereby given to them, or any Six of them, whereof One Lord and Two Commoners as a joint Committee with the Committee and Commissioners of Scotland, to advise, consult, order, and direct, concerning the carrying on and managing of the War for the best Advantage of the Three Kingdoms, and the keeping a good Intelligence between the Three Kingdoms, their Forces, Committees, and Counsels; and likewise with Power to hold good Correspondency and Intelligence with Foreign States; and further to advise and consult of all Things in Pursuance of the Ends expressed in the late Covenant and Treaty.

"Provided always, That nothing in this Ordinance shall authorize the Committee hereby appointed to advise, treat, or consult, concerning any Cessation of Arms, or making Peace, without express Directions from both Houses of Parliament.

"And lastly, the said Committee are to observe such Orders and Directions as they, from Time to Time, shall receive from both Houses of Parliament. Provided also, That this Ordinance shall continue for Three Months, and no longer."


House adjourned till 9a cras.


  • 1. Deest in Originali.
  • 2. Origin. Agreed to.
  • 3. Deest in Originali.
  • 4. Origin. it desiring.
  • 5. Deest in Originali.
  • 6. Origin. Thousand.