House of Lords Journal Volume 6: 8 May 1644

Journal of the House of Lords: Volume 6, 1643. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1767-1830.

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'House of Lords Journal Volume 6: 8 May 1644', in Journal of the House of Lords: Volume 6, 1643, (London, 1767-1830) pp. 543-544. British History Online [accessed 24 April 2024]


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DIE Mercurii, 8 die Maii.

PRAYERS, by Mr. Jackson.

Domini præsentes fuerunt:

Ds. Grey de Warke, Speaker.

L. General.
Comes Northumb.
Comes Rutland.
Comes Pembrooke.
Comes Sarum.
Comes Stamford.
Comes Lyncolne.
L. Viscount Say & Seale.
Comes Kente.
Ds. Howard.
Ds. Willoughby.
Ds. Hunsdon.
Ds. Bruce.
Ds. Berkley.

Message from the H. C. for Concurrence in Two Ordinances already brought up;

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Sir Robert Harley and others:

1. To desire their Lordships Concurrence in the Ordinance formerly brought up from them, for Continuance of the Committee of both Kingdoms for a longer Time, it being a Thing of such Consequence for carrying on the great Affairs of the Kingdom with Prudency and Secrecy, Religion and all being at Stake.

2. The House of Commons desires their Lordships Answer to the late Conference concerning the Earl of Manchester's Ordinance, wherein they desire their Lordships Concurrence, because their Honour was at Stake.

and about the Alterations in the One for excluding the Members who have deserted the Parliament.

3. Whereas there was a late Conference brought up to their Lordships by the House of Commons, concerning some Alterations made by them in an Ordinance concerning the excluding the Members of both Houses that have deserted the Parliament without Consent of the Houses, wherein the House of Commons desires their Lordships Concurrence.

The Answer returned was:


That this House will send Answer by Messengers of their own.

Message from the H. C. with Ordinances;

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Sir Rob't Pye Knight, and others; which consisted of these Particulars:

1. To desire their Lordships Concurrence in an Ordinance concerning Auxiliaries which are to be sent out of the City of London, to the Lord General, and Sir Wm. Waller, &c.

2. To desire Concurrence in an Ordinance for putting Miles Corbett into Mr. Chamberlein's Office in the Court of Wards, &c.

and with Deputy Lieutenants Names.

3. To desire Concurrence for adding Sir John Danvers Knight, and Sir James Harrington, to be Deputy Lieutenants for the County of (fn. 1) Middlesex.

The Answer returned was:


That this House will take the Particulars of this Message into Consideration, and (fn. 2) send an Answer by Messengers of their own.

Cordell, Langham, & al. versus Limbrey, & al.

Upon reading the Petition of John Limbrey, Arnold Brames, and John Craddock, Merchants; shewing, "That the Petitioner Limbrey was Yesterday in the Afternoon served with an Order, to shew Cause this Wednesday the 8th of May, why the Petition of Alderman Langham and others, preferred into this House against the Petitioners, should not be dismissed: The Petitioners pray, that their Lordships would admit them to shew Cause by their Counsel, and appoint them some short Day to that Purpose."

Hereupon this House Ordered, To hear Counsel on both Sides on Saturday (fn. 3) next, concerning the said Business: And if Limbrey, &c. do not shew Cause to this House on Saturday, the said Cause is hereby dismissed this House.

Then the House took into Debate the Business concerning the Ordinance touching the Earl of Manchester's Ordinance; and the Lord General, the Earl of Lyncolne, and the Earl of Sarum, were appointed to draw up what is fit to be offered to the House of Commons at a Conference, according to the Sense of the House upon the Debate, and to present the same to the House to be approved of.

Archbishop of Canterbury's Trial.

Ordered, That the Trial of the Archbishop of Canterbury is deferred until Monday Morning next.

Ordinance for appointing Escheators.

Next, the Ordinance concerning the appointing of Escheators was read Thrice, and Agreed to.

(Here enter it.)

Sir T. Walsingham and Sir J. Baker.

Ordered, That the Cause between Sir Thomas Walsingham and Sir John Baker shall be heard peremptorily the next Thursday after this Term is (fn. 4) ended.

Archbishop of Canterbury's Petition, for an Allowance for Maintenance.

Upon reading the Petition of Wm. Archbishop of Canterbury, Prisoner in The Tower; shewing, "That having no other Means than by this his humble Petition to renew his most humble Motion made to your Lordships at the Bar, for some Support, according to the Necessity of his Occasions of attending before your Lordships, the whole Revenue of his Archbishopric having been now Two Years under Sequestration, his Goods seized; therefore desired that some sitting, present, timely Proportion may be timely allotted him, for his present Maintenance."

Hereupon this House Ordered, That this Petition be recommended to the House of Commons; and desired that such Course may be taken for his Relief herein, as is usual in Things of this Nature.

Lord General desires a Committee of both Houses may be with the Army.

The Lord General made it his Desire to this House, "That a Committee of both Houses may be appointed to go along with him in the Army, to see the Actions of the Army, that they do their Duty, and to be Witness of the Wants of the Army."

And this House thought it fit the Lord General should express his Desire, at a Conference with the House of Commons, according to his own Sense; and, to this Purpose, the House thought fit Two Lords should be appointed to go as a Committee of this House.

Message to the H. C. for a Conference; with the Archbishop of Cant's Petition;

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Sir Rob't Rich and Mr. Page:

To desire a Conference, concerning the Earl of Manchester's Ordinance, and the Lord General's Army.

2. To deliver to them the Petition of the Archbishop of Canterbury, with Recommendations; and desire that such Course may be taken in this Particular as hath been formerly done in the like Cases.

and that his Trial is deferred.

3. To let them know, that this House hath deferred the Trial of the Archbishop of Canterbury till Monday Morning next.

Heads for the Conference on the Ordinance, for associating Essex, &c. under the E. of Manchester; and the Lord General's Army.

The Lord General reported from the Committee, "That they have drawn up something which they think sit to offer (fn. 5) to their Lordships Consideration, to be said at the Conference with the House of Commons:" Which was read; and the Speaker was appointed to deliver the same, at the next Conference, to the House of Commons.

"The Lords, considering that my Lord of Manchester is now upon Action, and being desirous to remove all Impediments that might grow by any longer Dispute between the Two Houses, leave me to make this Proposition:

"Whereas the House of Commons, at the last Conference, declared, that the Restriction of Four Months is only applied to the levying of Monies, and the other Powers are not determined;

"The Lords have thought upon this Expedient to cut off all further Disputes, that, if the Commons shall think fit to draw a new Ordinance for levying of the Monies for Three Months more, they will be willing to afford their Concurrence to that Purpose."

All the Lords to attend.

Ordered That all the Lords shall have Notice to attend this House To-morrow Morning.

The Messengers return with this Answer:

Answer from the H. C.

That the House of Commons will give a present Conference, as is desired.

Touching the Archbishop of Canterburie's Petition, they will send an Answer by Messengers of their own.

The Lords went to the Conference; and the House was adjourned till 9a cras.

Ordinance concerning appointing Escheators.

"It is Ordained, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That the Warrant, or Fiat, under the Hands of the Committee of His Majesty's, the Queen's, and Prince's Revenue, or any Five of them, shall, from Time to Time, be sufficient Warrant to the Commissioners of the Great Seal of England, to pass several Patents, in Form usual, of the several Offices of the Escheators of the several Counties of England and Wales, to such Persons as the said Committee, or any Five of them, have appointed, or shall nominate or appoint."


  • 1. Deest in Originali.
  • 2. Origin. sent.
  • 3. Origin. last.
  • 4. Origin. ending.
  • 5. Deest in Originali.