House of Lords Journal Volume 6: 9 September 1644

Journal of the House of Lords: Volume 6, 1643. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1767-1830.

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'House of Lords Journal Volume 6: 9 September 1644', in Journal of the House of Lords: Volume 6, 1643, (London, 1767-1830) pp. 699-700. British History Online [accessed 12 April 2024]


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DIE Lunæ, 9 Septembris.

PRAYERS, by Mr. Chanell.

Ds. Grey de Warke, Speaker.

Comes Kent.
Comes Rutland.
Comes Pembrooke.
Comes Nottingham.
Comes Denbigh.
Comes Bolingbrooke.
L. Viscount Say & Seale.
Ds. Mountague.
Ds. North.
Ds. Howard.
Ds. Bruce.
Ds. Willoughby.
Ds. Dacres.
Ds. Berkley.
Ds. Wharton.

Kettering Petition.

Ordered, That the Petition of the Inhabitants of Kettering is referred to the Consideration of the Committee of Lords and Commons for Sequestrations.

Hamon's Petition.

Upon reading the Petition of Eliz. Hamon, Inhabitant of Chersey: It is Ordered, To be referred to the Committee of Lords and Commons for Sequestrations, to settle the Request in the Petition concerning the Parsonage Impropriate of the said Parish, (fn. 1) in such Manner as is desired in the said Petition.

Committee to meet One of the H.C. about Fortescue, Agent to the Duke of Lorain.

Upon reading a Letter from the Duke De Lorraine, concerning Anthony Fortescue his Agent here: It is Ordered, That these Lords following are appointed to meet, with a Committee of the House of Commons, to consider what is fit to be done concerning the said Agent, and report to this House.

Their Lordships to meet on Wednesday Morning next:

Comes Denbigh.
Comes Kent.
L. Howard.
Ds. North.
Ds. Grey.
Ds. Mountague.
Ds. Bruce.

Any Three.

North and Conisby.

Ordered, That the Cause between Captain North and Mr. Conisby shall be heard this Day Three Weeks, at this Bar, by Counsel on both Sides.

Sir Andrew Boyd's Petition.

Ordered, That the Petition of Sir Andrew Boyde Knight, is hereby recommended to the Consideration of the Committee for the Revenue.

Jennings and Dawes.

Ordered, That this House confirms the Decree of the 14 June, 1643, made between Mr. Latch, Mr. Jennings, and Sir Tho. Dawes, in all Particulars; and that this House will hear the Counsel on both Sides, at this Bar, this Day Sevennight, upon this Point only, "Whether the Five Bonds, now in the Hands of the Clerk of the Parliaments, be in Trust, or a real Debt;" at which Time this House will take into Consideration the Scandal laid upon this House and the Clerk of the Parliament, concerning the drawing up of the said Decree.

This Day a Letter from the Earl of Manchester was read, directed as followeth:

E. of Manchester's Letter, that he will march immediately to Dorchester.

"For the Right Honourable the Lord Grey of Warke, Speaker of the House of Peers.

"My Lord,

"I have received your Lordship's Letter; and shall obey the Command of the House of Peers, to make all possible Speed I can to march towards Dorchester. I am very sorry to hear of the sad Accident in the West. I trust, God will make up this great Loss. I shall beseech your Lordship to esteem me as

Huntingdon, 8 Septemb. 1644.

"Your Lordship's humble Servant,
E. Manchester."

Vanienden's Cause.

This Day this House heard the Counsel on both Sides, concerning the Validity of Mr. Vanenden's Will; and, after Debate, it was Resolved, upon the Question, That the Determination whether this Will be a good Will or not is referred and left to the Trial of the Common Law; and this House reserves the Matter of Misdemeanor to the Determination of their Lordships.

Private Causes put off.

Ordered, That the former Order for putting off all Private Causes, except those Causes as are depending already, shall be renewed for Three Months from the Date hereof; and this House doth Declare, That they will receive no Private Petitions for the future, but such as cannot have Relief in inferior Courts of Justice.

Message from the H.C. for a Public Fast.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Sir John Clattworthy, &c. which consisted of these Particulars, wherein they desired their Lordships Concurrence:

1. That Thursday next shall be set apart for a Day of Fast and Public Humiliation, to be kept by both Houses, the Assembly of Divines, and in the Parishes and Chapels within the Lines of Communication and Bills of Mortality; and that the House of Commons have thought of St. Marg'rett's Church at Westm. to keep it in, and have nominated Mr. Coleman and Mr. Newcomen to preach before them at the same Time.

Agreed to.

and with Ordinances.

Divers other Ordinances, not read.

The Answer returned was:


That their Lordships agree to set Thursday next apart for the Fast; and approve of the Preachers: To the rest of the Particulars, their Lordships will send an Answer by Messengers of their own.

Message from thence, with an Order.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Walter Long Esquire, &c.

To desire their Lordships Concurrence in divers Particulars:

1. For paying Three Thousand Pounds out of the Excise, for the Western Affairs. (Here enter it.)

Read, and Agreed to.

The Answer returned was:


That this House agrees to the Order for Three Thousand Pounds. To the rest of the Particulars, this House will send an Answer by Messengers of their own.

Order for 3000 l. out of the Excise for the Western Affairs.

"Whereas John Towse Esquire, and Alderman of the City of London, and the rest of the Commissioners of Excise and new Impost, have, for the Service of the West, advanced and lent the Sum of Three Thousand Pounds: Be it hereby Ordained, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled, That the said Commissioners of Excise shall and may pay the said Three Thousand Pounds unto Michaell Herrin, Merchant, to be disposed by the Committee for the West for the Use aforesaid, whose Receipt shall be a sufficient Discharge unto them, and every of them: And it is hereby further Ordained, That the said Commissioners of Excise shall and may reimburse themselves of the said Three Thousand Pounds, with Interest after the Rate of Eight per Cent. for so long Time as they shall be out of the same, or any Part thereof, within such Intervals as shall happen between such Time or Times as any other Ordinances of Parliament already assigned upon the Excise shall not happen to fall due; or otherwise, in Default thereof, to take Place in its due Course, according to the Date of this present Ordinance, and the true Intent and Meaning thereof."


House adjourned till 9a, Wednesday next.


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