House of Lords Journal Volume 7: 4 October 1645

Journal of the House of Lords: Volume 7, 1644. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1767-1830.

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DIE Sabbati, 4 die Octobris.

PRAYERS, by Mr. Sallawey.

Ds. Grey de Warke, Speaker.

Comes Nottingham.
Comes Manchester.
Comes Northumb.
Comes Kent.
Comes Bolingbrooke.
Comes Denbigh.
Comes Sarum.
Comes Warwicke.
Comes Midd.
Ds. Robertes.
Ds. North.
Ds. Mountague.
Ds. Howard.
Ds. Willoughby.
Ds. Barckley.

Petition, representing the distressed Situation of many Cornish Families in Plymouth.

A Petition was read, as follows:


That there are in Plymouth very many Cornish Families, who for their Zeal to Religion and the Parliament, have been Three Years exiled their Habitations, plundered of all their Estates, have eaten out their Credit in a Place of great Streights; many Parents have rather silently languished under their mortal Extremities than suffered their Children to beg in the Streets, some having given more at their Doors in a Day than they have there to sustain their Families a whole Week; there are many Children left fatherless and motherless, and many Widows friendless; Six poor Orphans of One Godly Minister; and if God should now open a Way of Return for His poor Exiles (as we trust He will), they have nothing beyond the Charities of People to live upon, but bare Walls and Earth; whose Sufferings have been so much the more heavy, and are the more to be pitied, by how much their Integrities have been the more eminent amidst a crooked People, for which they have suffered even incredible Mischiefs, not only by their bad Neighbours, but chiefly by the French and Irish, who, like ravenous Wolves, have worried amongst them; many Wives have been forced to see the Hanging of their Husbands, Parents of their Children, and Children of their Parents, for not serving the cruel Commands of Sir Ric'd Grenvill, whose Tyranny had known no Bounds, if the Lord, by a Miracle of Providence, had not stayed the Execution of some destined to the Gallows. Now, the Exigences of these disconsolate Exiles crying mightily for Relief, it were a very cruel Sentence of those for whom, or those with whom, they suffer, to say, "Let them starve and perish, and eat their own Dung;" and so much in Effect we declare, if we have Opportunity in our Hands to succour them, and do not: We, therefore, their Friends and Countrymen, whose Names are here subscribed, well knowing the Truth of the Premises, do, with all Submission, present their sad Calamities to the tender Bowels of this Honourable House; humbly desiring that the Benevolence of the well-affected may be collected for them, within the Cities of London and Westm. and Lines of Communication.

Hanniball Vyvyan.

"Rogeir Porter. John Jago. Jo. Fathers. Jo. Treise. Henry Hichins. Wm. Vincent."

Collection to be made for them.

Hereupon it is (fn. 1) Ordered, That the Certificate of the pressing Extremities of the Cornish Exiles now in Plymouth be herewith printed; and that a Collection be made for them, within the Cities of London and Westm. the Lines of Communication, and Bills of Mortality; and the Monies collected be, within Three Days after, paid by the Church-wardens, to Mr. Ric'd Hill Merchant in Lymestreet; and, with the Advice of Mr. Jo. Fathers, Mr. Gaspier Hicks, and Mr. Will. Vincent, Ministers, to be speedily disposed for the Relief of the said Exiles, and proportionably to their several Necessities.

The Earl of Northumb. reported a Paper from the Committee of both Kingdoms; which was read, as followeth:

"Die Mercurii, 1 Octobris, 1645.

At the Committee of both Kingdoms, at Derby House.

Colonel Barrough to be Governor of Berkley Castle.

"Ordered, That it be reported to both Houses, That the Lord Barckley, the Owner of Barckley Castle, hath been at this Committee, and desired that Colonel Barrough might be Governor of that Castle; which this Committee offers to the Houses, with their Opinion, That it is fit to be granted."

Ordered, That this (fn. 2) House approves of Colonel Barrough, to be Governor of Barkley Castle; and the Concurrence of the House of Commons desired herein.

Letter from the Committee of Sussex, with some Demands of the Club-men there.

The Earl of Northumb. acquainted this House with a Letter he received from some of the Deputy Lieutenants for the County of Sussex; signifying, "That the Club-men of that County sent them some Demands, which the Deputy Lieutenants desired the Houses may be made acquainted with them, and that they may receive the Directions of the Parliament herein."

Committee to consider of them.

Ordered, That these Lords following be appointed, to join with a proportionable Number of the House of Commons, to consider of these Papers, and report to the Houses their Opinion, what they think fit to be done upon them.

Comes Northumb.
Comes Kent.
Comes Manchester.
Comes Sarum.
Ds. North.
Ds. Roberts.
Ds. Howard.

Any Two Lords, to meet on Monday next, in the Afternoon.

Message to the H. C. to appoint a Committee to meet with them; with the Petition in Behalf of the poor Cornish;

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Sir Edward Leech and Mr. Page:

1. To communicate the Petition of the Cornish Men and desire their Concurrence in the Order for a Collection.

2. To deliver the Papers concerning the Club-men of Sussex; and to let them know, that this House hath appointed a Committee of Seven Lords, to consider of the said Papers, and report their Opinions to this House what is fit to be done thereupon; and to desire that they would name a proportionable Committee of their House, to join with them; and to meet on Monday next, in the Afternoon.

with Colonel Barrough's Order;

3. To acquaint them, that, upon the Report from the Committee of both Kingdoms, this House approves of Colonel Barrough to be Governor of Barkeley Castle.

about Hancock being restored to his Place in St. Nicholas Istand; and about Mrs. Marsh's Petition.

4. That this House having, by several Messengers, put the House of Commons in Mind concerning certain Votes long since sent to that House, concerning John Hancocke, who hath faithfully served the Parliament, and been a principal Instrument of preserving the Isle of St. Nich. by Plymouth, do now desire their due Consideration of the said Person, and their Concurrence concerning him.

5. To put them in Mind of Mrs. Marshe's Petition.

Captain Blyth.

Ordered, That Captain Blyth shall be brought to this House on Monday Morning next; at which Time Carpenter shall appear.

L. Campden Leave to come to London.

Ordered, That the Lord Viscount Campden shall have Leave to come to London, out of the King's Quarters; and then his Lordship may travel beyond the Seas, if he shall think fit.

Mr. Lisle's Ordinance to be Master of St. Crosse's.

The Earl of Kent reported the Ordinance for making Mr. Lile Master of St. Crosse's as fit to pass as it is; which being read the Third Time, this House agreed to the same. (Here enter it.)

Message from the H. C. with Ordinances.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Greene;

To desire Concurrence in divers Particulars:

1. An Ordinance for the Committee for the Admiralty. (Here enter it.)

Agreed to.

2. That the Committee of both Kingdoms do grant a Commission to Colonel Leicester Devereux, to be Colonel of a Regiment of Horse.

Agreed to.

3. An Ordinance for paying Five Hundred Pounds to Mr. Hill, out of Haberdashers Hall. (Here enter it.)

Agreed to.

4. An Ordinance to enable the Commissioners of the Great Seal to issue Commissions, to take the Accompts of the Scotts Army. (Here enter it.)

Agreed to.

5. An Ordinance concerning Patents to be passed to the Judges. (Here enter it.)

Agreed to.

6. An additional Ordinance for the Thousand Pounds out of the Excise, for North'ton.

(Here enter it.)

Agreed to.

7. An Ordinance for ascertaining the Excise Accompts, when to be determined. (Here enter it.)

Agreed to.

8. An Ordinance for taking (fn. 3) off the Sequestration of Wm. Sandham Esquire.

Read Once.

9. An Ordinance for Martial Law, for the County of Hampshire.

10. An Ordinance for a new Excise, for the paying of Debts from the Parliament, to Artificers and others.

The Answer returned was:


That this House will return an Answer, by Messengers of their own, to the Ordinances concerning Mr. Sandham, Martial Law, and the new Imposition for the Artificers: To all the rest, this House (fn. 4) agrees.

Ordinance to continue the One for the Committee of the Admiralty, and authorizing them to appoint the Standing Officers in the Navy.

"Be it Ordered and Ordained, That the Ordinance, bearing Date the 19th of April, 1645, authorizing a Committee of Lords and Commons to do and execute all such Things as appertain to the Office of Lord High Admiral of England, and Lord Warden of the Cinque Ports, do continue in Force till the First of January next coming: And, for the more speedy Dispatch of the Affairs of the Admiralty, it is further Ordered and Ordained, That Five Lords and Ten Commoners more be added to that Ordinance; (videlicet,) Earl of Kent, Earl of Salisbury, Earl of Denbigh, Lord Dacres, Lord Roberts, Sir Arthur Hasilrigg in the Place of Doctor Eden deceased, Mr. Prideaux, Sir William Lewes, Mr. Bond, Sir John Curson, Mr. Ashurst, Colonel John Moore, Sir Henry Vane Junior, Sir John Trevor, Mr. John Ash, and Mr. Hoyle; and that the said Lords and Commons have Power to dispose of all the Standing Officers in every the Ships belonging to the State."

Order for 500 l. for Mr. Hill.

"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament, That, out of such Monies as Mr. Hill, a Member of the House of Commons, hath or shall bring in to Habberdashers Hall, for the Twentieth Parts of such Persons as have not yet paid the Twentieth Part, the Committee of Lords and Commons for Advance of Monies, sitting there, do pay unto him Five Hundred Pounds, towards his Losses."

Ordinance to issue Commissions, to take the Accompts of the Scots Army.

"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament, That the Commissioners for the Great Seal of England, upon the Desires of the Committees of the several Counties (where no Commissions are already issued), do consider of fitting Persons to be Commissioners; and give Warrant to Oliver St. John Esquire, His Majesty's Solicitor General, to prepare Bills, to contain Commissions to the said Commissioners in the said Commissions to be named, to authorize them to take the Accompts of the Scotts Army, in like Form and Manner as the Commissioners named in several Commissions formerly issued in that Behalf, for Desires of the Northern Counties, are enabled to do; and that the said Commissioners for the said Great Seal do from Time to Time pass the said Commissions in usual Form, under the said Great Seal."

Ordinance for Patents to be passed to the new Judges.

"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled, That the Commissioners for the Great Seal do give Warrants to the Clerk of the Crown in Chancery, to prepare Bills, containing Grants respectively unto Serjeant Rolle, Serjeant Phesant, and Serjeant Atkins, of the respective Places of Justices of the King's Bench, Common Pleas, and of One of the Barons of Exchequer, according to the Votes of both Houses; to hold the same respectively quamdiu se bene gesserint; and that the said Commissioners do pass the said respective Grants under the Great Seal of England, in usual Form, accordingly."

Additional Ordinance for the 1000 l. out of the Excise, for North'ton.

"Whereas, by Ordinance of Parliament, dated the 29th of August last, One Thousand Pounds is assigned in Course, out of the Receipts of the Excise, for the Service of the Garrison of North'ton; and thereby further Ordained, That any Person or Persons advancing the same should be allowed Interest, out of the same Receipts, after the Rate of Eight Pounds per Centum; but no Provision made for the Commissioners of the Excise their Discharge for Payment of Interest unto the Lenders thereof: Be it Ordained, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled, That the Receipt or Receipts of the Lender or Lenders of all or any Part of the said Thousand Pounds shall be a sufficient Discharge unto the Commissioners of Excise, as well for the Interest as the Principal, according to the true Intent of the aforesaid Ordinance."

Ordinance for ascertaining the Excise Accompts when to be determined.

"Whereas it is thought most convenient and very necessary for the Service of the Commonwealth, that the Accompts of Excise be reduced to one and the same Determination: Be it therefore Ordered and Ordained, by the Lords and Commons in this present Parliament assembled, That all and every the Accompts of the said Excise or new Impost, within this Realm of England, Dominion of Wales, and Port and Town of Berwicke, shall now all determine upon the 29th Day of September, 1645; and afterwards Quarterly, upon the Four usual Feasts or Terms of the Year, (videlicet,) the 25th of (fn. 5) December, the 25th of March, the 24th of June, and the 29th of September; and the Comptroll upon the Accompts of Excise, in the Office of Excise, London, with the Limits and Extents thereof, shall begin from the said 29th Day of September 1645; and the Wages and Allowances of the several Officers and Ministers employed in the said Excise shall be apportioned according to the several and respective Times, for and until the said 29th Day of September 1645; and afterwards shall be paid Quarterly upon the said several Days, by equal Portions."

Paper from the French Minister, concerning Cordier being imprisoned, and obliged to go out of the Line of Communication, on Account of his Religion.

"To the most Noble and most Honourable Lords of the Upper Chamber of the Parliament of England.

The Violence that James Cordier, a Frenchman born, hath suffered in his Conscience, by the Committee of The Savoy, by imprisoning his own Person during a whole Fortnight, for the only Cause of his Religion, notwithstanding what I caused my Secretary to represent unto them of the Treaty of Peace and Commerce between both Kingdoms, which giveth equally to both Nations the free Practice of their Religion in both Kingdoms; whose Reasons having not been comprehended, as being, it may be, beyond the Reach of their Condition, or little caring of the Infraction of the Treaty, they have proceeded so far as to oblige him to put in Bails, to appear within Eight Days, for to go out of the Lines of Communication; without also, they could find, any Cause of Complaint or ill Behaviour against his Person, since Ten Years that he is in this Kingdom, teaching the French Tongue, paying all Duties and Subsidies; your Lordships shall have, if they please agreeable, considering the perilous Consequence, to remedy by their Equity to this Oppression of Conscience, which ought not to be against Frenchmen, according to the said Treaty; and I rest

Your most humble and devoted Servant,

"Sabran, Resident de France."

Ordinance for Mr. Lisle to be Master of St. Cross's Hospital.

"Whereas Wm. Lewes, Doctor in Divinity, and Master of the House or Hospital of St. Crosse near Winton, hath neglected the Government of the said House, and adhered to those that have levied War against the Parliament, and are Enemies to the King and Kingdom, whereby he hath forfeited his Right to the said Mastership: For the better Supply of that Place, and for the good Government thereof by a Person of Quality, Integrity, and Piety, the Lords and Commons in Parliament do Order and Ordain, That the said Doctor Lewes, from henceforth, shall be removed and wholly discharged from being any longer Master of the House or Hospital of St. Crosse's near Winton; and that he shall not from henceforth have, receive, or take, any Rents, Issues, or Profits, thereunto belonging; and they do hereby wholly remove and discharge him thereof, to all Intents and Purposes: And the said Lords and Commons do by these Presents constitute and ordain John Lysle, of Moyles-court, within the County of Southampton, Esquire, Master of the said House or Hospital of St. Crosse's near Winton; and do further Ordain, Order, and Declare, That the said John Lisle shall have and enjoy the Place of Master of the said House or Hospital of St. Crosse's aforesaid, with all Rents, Issues, Profits, Privileges, Powers, and Benefits, thereunto belonging, or therewith used or enjoyed; and the Commissioners for the Great Seal of England are hereby authorized and required, by Letters Patents under the Great Seal of England, to pass the said Place of Master of the House or Hospital of St. Crosse's near Winton unto the said John Lisle, according to the Intent herein expressed; and for their so doing, this shall be their Warrant: And it is hereby Declared, That the said John Lisle shall in the mean Time have and enjoy the said Place; with the Profits thereof, as aforesaid."


  • 1. Deest in Originali.
  • 2. Deest in Originali.
  • 3. Deest in Originali.
  • 4. Origin. agrees to.
  • 5. Origin. September.