House of Lords Journal Volume 7: 3 November 1645

Journal of the House of Lords: Volume 7, 1644. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1767-1830.

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'House of Lords Journal Volume 7: 3 November 1645', in Journal of the House of Lords: Volume 7, 1644, (London, 1767-1830) pp. 674-675. British History Online [accessed 29 February 2024]


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DIE Lunæ, 3 die Novembris.

PRAYERS, by Mr. Carter.

Ds. Grey de Warke, Speaker.

Comes Rutland.
Comes Manch'er.
Comes Nottingham.
Comes Midd.
Comes Lyncolne.
Comes Northumb.
Comes Bolingbrooke.
Comes Denbigh.
L. Viscount Say & Seale.
Ds. North.
Ds. Mountague.
Ds. Roberts.
Ds. Willoughby.
Ds. Bruce.
Ds. Dacres.
Ds. Howard.

Vutden Hoven and Doling versus Jochemsen.

Upon reading the Petition of Jacob Vutden Hoven, Merchant of Amsterdam, for himself, and as Attorney of Egbert Dolinge, also of Amsterdam, Merchant; complaining of "Delay of Justice, in a Suit depending in "the Court of Admiralty at Dover, in certain Suits against Claes Jochemsen."

It is Ordered, This Petition be referred to the Consideration of the Commissioners for the Admiralty.

The Earl of Northumb. reported a Paper from the Commissioners of the Admiralty and Cinque Ports; which was read, as follows:

Spanish Agent desires a Pass, for DonFranco Melesses to go to Fianders.

"To the Right Honourable the Committee of the Navy:

"It is entreated of your Honours, by the Lord Ambassador of Spaine, for a Convoy for Don Franco Melesses, Nephew to the Marquis Castell Rodrigo, Governor of Flander, who hath lately arrived here from the Court of Spaine, to transport himself upon urgent Affairs (which require Expedition) into Flanders; and what Favour your Honours shall in this Particular extend to his Person, will be esteemed as done to that State.

"P' Mandam' de su Ex'e.

"And. Barnardi,
Ag't de la Amb'."

"It is the Opinion of the Committee, That the Houses be made acquainted with the Desire of the Ambassador, for their Approbation: The Committee conceiving it reasonable, but humbly submits it.

"Rob. Coytmor."

To take the Benefit of the First Ship.

This House is of Opinion, and thinks it fit, That when there is a Ship that goes into those Parts, that he take the Benefit and Opportunity of that Ship; and this to be communicated to the House of Commons, for their Concurrence herein.

Answer from the H. C.

Dr. Aylett and Dr. Heath return with this Answer from the House of Commons, sent on Saturday last:

That they have taken the Business concerning Captain Hutchings into Consideration.

They agree to the Committee for drawing a Pass for Prince Rupert and his Company; and have named a proportionable Committee of their House.

As to the Business of the Earl of Stamford's, the Scotts Reformadoes Petition, the Lady Chaworth's Petition, they will send an Answer by Messengers of their own; and as concerning Colonel Martyn to command the Foot in Chief at the Service of Donington Castle, under Dulbeir.

Message to them, about Hancock's and Berrowe's Business; and about Don F. Melesses's Pass.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons by Dr. Aylett and Mr. Page:

1. To put them in Mind of Captain Hancock's Business.

2. To put them in Mind of Colonel Berrowe's Business.

3. To communicate to them the Paper reported this Day from the Commissioners of the Navy, for a Convoy for Don Franco Melesses, to go to Flanders; and acquaint them, that this House thinks it fit that he take the Benefit of the next Ship that goes from hence to those Parts, to transport himself thither.

Oakley heard, concerning the Validity of his Patent, as Receiver of Westminster College.

This Day the Counsel of John Oakley was heard; and it was alledged, "That he held his Place as Receiver of the College of Westm. by Patent, during his Life; and therefore desires to be heard before the Ordinance for putting him out of the said Place be passed; he not knowing any Offence he hath committed, to disable him from enjoying it."

Ordered, That these Lords following are appointed Committees, to examine whether the said John Oackley hath any Freehold by Patent, as is alledged; and to report the same to this House:

Comes Denbigh.
Comes Manchester.
L. North.
L. Roberts.

To meet To-morrow Morning, at Nine a Clock.

Trial of the Pix.

"Ordered, by the Lords and in Parliament assembled, That the Trial of the Monies in the Pix in the Mint, in The Tower of London, shall be made on Monday next, the Tenth of this Instant November, at the usual Place near the Star Chamber."

"Ordered, by the Lords in Parliament assembled, That the Earl of Kent and the Earl of Bolingbrooke are hereby appointed to join with a Committee of the House of Commons, for the taking of the Examinations and Trial of the Pix, in The Tower of London, on Monday next, being the Tenth of this Instant November, by Nine of the Clock in the Morning, at the usual Places near the Star Chamber, Westm."

Ordered, That the Concurrence of the House of Commons be desired in this first Order.

Ordinance for Ordinance of Ministers.

The Ordinance for Ordination of Ministers was read the Second Time, and committed to a Committee of the whole House, to be taken into Consideration on Saturday Morning next.

Penn's Ordinance.

Next, the Ordinance for Penn's Composition for his Wardship, was read the Third Time; and Agreed to with a small Alteration, wherein the [ (fn. 1) Concurence of the] House of Commons is to be desired.

Message to the H. C. with L. Buckhurst's Petition, to protect the Goods at Knoll.

The Petition of the Lord Buckhurst was read; to desire, "That the Goods at Knoll House, in Kent, might not be disposed of, but respited for a Time."

Which this House thought fit to grant; and the Concurrence of the House of Commons to be desired herein.

And accordingly it was sent down to the House of Commons, by Mr. Page and Dr. Aylett.

Message to them, with Mr. Penn's Ordinance, and about the Trial of the Pix.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Mr. Serjeant Ayliff and

To desire their Concurrence in the Ordinance concerning the Pix, and in the Ordinance concerning Mr. Penn's Composition for his Wardship.


House adjourned till 9a cras.


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