House of Lords Journal Volume 8: 23 October 1646

Pages 543-544

Journal of the House of Lords: Volume 8, 1645-1647. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1767-1830.

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DIE Veneris, 23 die Octobris.

PRAYERS, by Mr. Corbett.

Comes Manchester, Speaker.

Comes Kent.
Comes Northumb.
Comes Sarum.
Comes Pembrooke.
Comes Nottingham.
Comes Warwicke.
Comes Lyncolne.
Comes Rutland.
Comes Mulgrave.
Comes Suffolke.
Comes Stamford.
Comes Denbigh.
Viscount Hereford.
Comes Midd.
Ds. Robertes.
Ds. Maynard.
Ds. North.
Ds. Howard.
Ds. Wharton.
Ds. Grey.
Ds. Hunsdon.
Ds. Willoughby.

Viscount Hereford takes his Seat.

This Day Walter Viscount Hereford sat in this House, as a Peer of this Realm, upon the Decease and Succession of Rob't Earl of Essex and Viscount Hereford.

Sir R. Hopton to be prevented from attacking Guernsey.

The House was informed this Day, by the Earl of Warwicke, "That there is certain Intelligence come, that Sir Ralph Hopton hath undertaken, with Four Hundred Men, which he is to take out of the Isle of Jersey, to take the Isle of Guernsey, unless some speedy Course be taken for the preventing of it."

Hereupon it is Ordered, That this be communicated to the House of Commons, at a Conference; and then to put them in Mind of the former Vote of this House sent to them, for slighting the Garrison of Oxford.

Messengers from this House not timely admitted into the H. C.

Ordered, That it be delivered, at a Conference, That, in regard the Messengers of this House are not in due Time admitted by the House of Commons, there is a great Obstruction of Business, whereby the Public Business of the Kingdom cannot have Dispatch; and to (fn. 1) desire it may be remedied for the future."

Message from thence, concerning the Ordinance to continue the Treasurers at War, &c.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Whitlocke Esquire, &c. who brought up an Ordinance formerly concerning the Treasurers of the Army; for Want of a Dispatch whereof, the Arrears cannot be received whereby the Soldiers may be paid, whereas now they are forced to quarter upon the Countries.

The Answer returned was:


That this House will take their Message into Consideration, and send an Answer by Messengers of their own.

Ordinance to continue the Treasurers at War, &c.

Ordered, That the Lords Committees for this Ordinance shall meet this Afternoon, and (fn. 2) give the House an Account of it To-morrow Morning.

Letter from Sir T. Fairfax.

A Letter from Sir Tho. Fairefax, to the Speaker of this House, was read. (Here enter it.)

Ordinance for 10,000 l. to Soldiers Wives, &c.

The Ordinance for Ten Thousand Pounds, to be issued out of the Excise, to the Wives (fn. 3) and Widows of Soldiers, was read, and Agreed to. (Here enter it.)

Ordinance for 400 l. to Irish Protestants.

The Ordinance for paying Four Hundred Pounds, with Interest, out of the Excise, to the poor Irish Protestants, was read, and Agreed to.

(Here enter it.)

Ordinance concerning the Peers; &c.

The Ordinance concerning Peers, Honours, &c: was read the Second Time; and Ordered to be committed to the Consideration of a Committee of the whole House.

The House was presently adjourned into a Committee during Pleasure, and took the said Ordinance into Debate.

And the House being resumed;

The Ordinance was read the Third Time, with an Addition.

And the Question being put, "Whether to agree to this Ordinance, with the Alteration and Addition now read?"

It was Resolved in the Affirmative.

Protest against it.

Before the putting of the aforesaid Question, these Lords following desired Leave to enter their Dissents, if the Question was carried against their Vote: Which being granted, there was entered their Dissents; videlicet, "That, in respect the Ordinance seems to be perpetual, and not appearing to be sent to the King for His Consent, whereby Things that are to be perpetual might be settled in the old Way by the Three Estates, they dissented from the same.

"J. Rutland.

"Suffolke. T. Lyncolne.

"Middlesex. Mulgrave.


"Du. North. F. Willughbye.

"J. Rob'tes."

Message from the H. C. with an Order for the Speakers to seal Writs, &c. usually sealed with the Great Seal.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Sam. Browne Esquire, &c.

That, in regard of the great Obstruction of the Proceedings in Chancery because the Commissioners of the Great Seal are not settled, and in regard of the great Prejudice the Subject suffers for Want of sealing of Writs, there being now Eight Thousand Writs ready to be sealed; therefore they have framed an Ordinance for preventing of these Inconveniencies, wherein they desire their Lordships Concurrence.

Read, and Agreed to with an Alteration and Addition.

The Answer returned was:


That this House will take this Message into speedy Consideration, and send an Answer by Messengers of their own.

E. of Manchester continued Speaker.

Ordered, That the Earl of Manchester shall be continued Speaker of the House of Peers until the First Day of February next ensuing.

Vynes thanked for his Sermon at the E. of Essex's Funeral.

Ordered, That Mr. Vynes shall have Thanks given him, for his Sermon he preached Yesterday at the Funeral of the Earl of Essex; and that he be desired from this House to print and publish the same.

Ald. Fowkes and the E. I. Co.

Ordered, That the Cause between Alderman Foukes and the India Company shall be heard on Thursday next, at Ten of the Clock in the Morning.

Col. Thompson's Petition, for a Protection from Arrests.

Upon reading the Petition of Colonel Francis Thompson; desiring "a Protection from this House, for his Person, in regard many Arrears are due unto (fn. 4) him from the Parliament."

Message to the H. C. with a Petition from Guernsey;

Upon reading the Petition of the Inhabitants of the Isle of Guern'ey; shewing "the great Fear there is of the Danger of that Island, in regard there is no Governor there, nor Strength to defend it."

It is Ordered, That this Petition be sent to the House of Commons, and they put in Mind of the former

and to remind them of the Vote for the E. of Warwick to be Governor there.

Vote sent from this House, for making the Earl of Warwicke Governor.

And accordingly it was sent down to the House of Commons, by Sir Edw. Leech and Mr. Page.

Answer from the H. C.

Dr. Aylett and Dr. Heath return with this Answer from the House of Commons:

That concerning the naming of a Committee, to join with a Committee of Lords, to consider of the Second Paper of the Scotts Commissioners, they will send an Answer by Messengers of their own.

Order for 10,000 l. for Soldiers Wives, Widows, &c.

"It is this Day Ordered, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled, That no other Sums of Money, except the Two particular Sums of Ten Thousand Pounds for the poor Wives and Widows of Soldiers, &c. and of Four Hundred Pounds for Seventy poor distressed Protestants of Ireland, charged upon the Receipts of the Excise in Course, shall have Precedence before the Engagements to the City, secured upon those Receipts for the Loan of Two Hundred Thousand Pounds."

Order for 400 l. for Seventy poor Irish Protestants.

"Be it Ordained, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That Four Hundred Pounds, with Interest at Eight Pounds per Centum per Annum, payable every Six Months, be paid in Course, out of the Receipts of the Excise, on the Ordinance of the 11th of September, 1643, when other Assignments already made on those Receipts shall be first satisfied, to be employed for the Relief of Seventy poor distressed Protestants of Ireland; and the Commissioners of Excise for the Time being are hereby authorized and required to make Payment of the said Four Hundred Pounds, together with Interest, in Manner aforesaid, unto Mr. Blayden Stationer, or his Assigns, whose Receipt or Receipts shall be a sufficient Discharge to the said Commissioners of Excise, and every of them, for the Payment of the said Four Hundred Pounds and Interest, and every Part and Parcel thereof, accordingly; which Money is to issue forth for the Service aforesaid, and to be disposed of to them by that Committee where Mr. Wheeler hath the Chair, for the Purposes aforesaid."

Letter from Sir T. Fairfax, about his disbanding Gen. Massey's Forces by Order of the H. C.

"For the Right Honourable the Earl of Manchester, Speaker of the House of Peers pro Tempore.

"May it please your Lordship,

"Yours of the 16th present, with the inclosed Vote of the House of Peers bearing the same Date, came to my Hands this Day. Yesterday I received a Letter from the Speaker of the House of Commons, of the 17th present, with several Votes of the same Date, wherein it is declared, That those Forces in the West formerly under the Command of Major General Massey, and ordered by particular Order of that House to be disbanded, are not comprized within the forerecited Vote of the House of Peers, and thereupon the speedy and effectual Prosecution of that Work is required; upon which Work, your Lordship may be pleased to understand, that I made the First Entrance with the Assistance of a Committee from the House of Commons, and Commissioners from the Committee of Lords and Commons for Irish Affairs, sent down to me for that Purpose, with several Letters, Orders, and Instructions, both from the House of Commons, from the Irish Committee, and from the Committee of Lords and Commons for the Safety of the Western Parts, in order thereunto; according to which, before either of the first-mentioned Letters and Votes came to my Hand, we had made a considerable Progress in the Business, and much of the Money is issued out; and when your Lordship shall have compared all the above-mentioned Letters, Votes, and Instructions, with the Vote I now received from your Lordship, I doubt not but I shall be understood, both in the Beginning, Progress, and Finishing of this Business, according to the Instructions, to have discharged my Duty to both Houses, as befitteth,

"My Lord,

"Your Lordship's most humble Servant,

"T. Fairefax."

Order for the Speakers to seal Writs, &c. usually passed under the Great Seal.

"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That the Speakers of both Houses shall have Power to seal all Original Writs and Processes, and likewise Commissions and Pardons, which have usually passed, and ought to pass, under the Great Seal of England, and to sign all such Things as are necessary thereunto, as fully as any Lord Keeper or Commissioners for the Great Seal for the Time being ought or might have done; this Power to be continued until the End of Twenty Days next after this present Michaelmas Term."


House adjourned till Monday next, at 10a Clock.


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