Border Papers volume 2: October 1601

Pages 772-774

Calendar of Border Papers: Volume 2, 1595-1603. Originally published by Her Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1896.

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1425. Sir John Carey to Cecil. [Oct. 12.]

Having the opportunity of conveying this packet, newly received from Mr Nicolson, and after great debate with myself whether men of my degree should meddle with things already in the hands of so grave and high wisdoms: I think it due to my allegiance "to showte my fooles bowelt," and understanding by your last letter of the Spaniards' landing in Ireland, now confirmed from Scotland, I could not be quiet without giving my opinion I think they should have no leisure, for if they be once intrenched, or get a town to fortify themselves in, it will be hard to get them out again. Her Majesty should call home all her men and levy supplies: and for pay, let her not stay for a Parliament, but in the meantime, "taske" her best able subjects, who will contribute as willingly as she shall ask: for there is no time to lose, and it concerns all England if they got any "fottinge" there. Berwick. Signed: Jhon Carey.

1 p. Holograph. Addressed. Indorsed. Wax signet: swan, &c.

1426. Sir John Carey to Cecil. [Oct. 14.]

Since my last of the 9th of this month, wherein I certified you of 2 English gentlemen "fallen" into Scotland, and then at Lord Roxburgh's house called "the Freyers," and of his taking to the King at Edinburgh the Scots gentleman "by name then Master Bruse": within these 2 days, "Brewese beinge left ther, whoe the saye hathe contest maney thinges yet unknowen"—my Lord Roxburgh is come back to his house, and these 2 Englishmen have sent me a letter by one of his men —unknown to my lord as they would make me believe. This I send up to you to examine whether there be such men, "ye or no"? For though it has a fair show and perhaps may be of no moment, I thought it best to do so. When they first went into Scotland, they called themselves "Cortney" and "Daves," and he that carried them "Bruse": now in this letter, they take other names, and "ther plase of whens they ar," whereby you may soon be satisfied of them. "I have allso kept the seall of ther letter hole unbroken," which may somewhat discover them, and send the copy of my answer to them, for your directions. I have "a verey bad conseyet" of them and their dealings, and doubt they only wanted my letter to cloak their knavery. Sundry here think they are "Jesuettes." Berwick. Signed: Jhon Carey.

1 p. Holograph. Addressed. Indorsed. Fragment of wax signet.

Inclosed in the same:—

(1) (The Englishmen to Carey.)

We intended to have come and intreated your lordship for licence to travel into Scotland, "to see the countrye, but wee weare lead out of the waye and abused by one Bruce, (fn. 1) who undertook to bee a director unto us in our journey." It is since found by his confession to the King (to whom Lord Roxburgh carried him for some misdemeanors in his house) that he purposed to murder us, and other things are proved against him unknown to us. He has brought us into much trouble, for we are kept prisoners here by Lord Roxburgh, at the King's command, till he pleases to call us before him. We humbly ask your lordship to excuse our "fatall and involuntarye errour" in not coming to you: and that you would vouchsafe to move Mr Nicolson, the Queen's agent here, to procure us speedy hearing by the King. We were not permitted to write before, either to you or Mr Nicolson. " Hoping for such favour as honest men may expect from soe honorable a personage." 11th October. Signed: Peter Salstonstall. Ben. Rudyerd. "Of the M. Temple " written opposite both signatures.

Beseeching pardon for the messenger as we could get no better.

1 p. Addressed. Indorsed by Cecil's clerk. Wax seal: a shield with 2 eagles displayed, and a bend dexter charged with a mullet. Crest: on a helmet with mantlings, a slender-necked animal maned, issuing from a coronet, seemingly biting its breast. In good preservation.

(2) (Carey's reply.)

In answer to their request for a letter to Nicolson, they must pardon him, both themselves and their business being unknown to him, and the manner of their being in Scotland suspicious. Meantime he can only comfort them that they are in the hands of a very honorable gentleman, whose friendship with the King will stand them in great stead: that Mr Nicolson is very ready to do good offices for all her Majesty's well-affected subjects: and as for the King, he has not heard he is any way given to do wrong or injustice, especially to men in distress, as they seem to be. So they need not fear so competent a judge, and he wishes they may deserve well. Berwick. Signed: Jhon Carey.

1 p. Holograph: also indorsation. "1601, October 14. The coppey of a letter wryghten bey me unto the ij Englishe gentyllmen in Scotland."

1427. Scrope to Cecil. [Oct. 17.]

I received your letter, and am truly comforted with her Majesty's approval: heartily thanking you for your good furtherance. "This, day Newby came to mee from the King (as he saide) and protested highly that his King would bee most glad of my favor": adding that he wonders at my obstinacy. I answered, that her Majesty's orders to me were to do him all lawful service, and I was ever ready thereto. He asked if I went to Parliament? I said her Majesty had occasion for me some time here. He added, "that the Queene had promised the King that in this Parlement the case of succession should be handled: and that then, ther is none to succeede but his King. My repplie was: that we live under so happie an estate, as we hope never shalbe altered: and that I trusted in God, that her Majesties prosperous reigne should continew long after his Kings and his successors were extint. To this he repplied, that it was the wishe of a good subject, but yet contrarie to the course of nature: addinge, that if I would pawne my honor to keepe counsell, he had 5 books com from London, touching the succession; of wich, 4 he delyvered to the King, the last he kept in his custodie, wich he wolde lend me to reade. Upon hearing heerof, I rose up and went from him, as I had been called in hast."

As he will surely come again from the King or long, I pray you for her Majesty's pleasure, whether I shall deal "so roundlie" as to stop such motions, or "hold him up with faire wether? … He tolde me, Davi Fowles (a man the Queene hates above all Scotsmen, for that he wrote to that King at his last being heere, that she was deade; whom I pray to God to "preserve many yeeres after he is rotten, and to make her estate answerably florishing, as her vertues be admirables) is presently to com to her Majestie and that he is appointed to moove for the succession, if he dare! yet he feares that King wilbe forced to send a man of better quallitie to that end."

When you write to see me shortly, I take comfort, and have written to Mr Vice-Chamberlain for my leave: yet as I am needed here, and think Parliament will be adjourned till after Christmas, I will go or stay, as her Majesty appoints: requesting to know by your next.

On Michaelmas next, I must pay Mr Brakenbury 2000l.: "and where nothing is, so greate a som must have a great tyme of gatheringe." Also I am shown how I may pay it without endangering my estate, as you shall hear on my coming up. Carlisle. Signed: Th. Scroope.

Postscript.—My writ reached me on Sunday at 4 P.M.: and the Bishop's on Monday after, "who being none of the richest" and requiring time to provide for the journey, "he being so greate a blessing of God to this countrey," I hope your honor will excuse his not coming at the beginning, as he makes all the haste he can.

pp. Holograph. Addressed. Indorsed by Cecil.

1428. Sir John Carey to Cecil. [Oct. 19.]

I have been "sumwhat inquissetive of " these two Englishmen with the Lord of Roxburgh: and it is now thought in Scotland and by the examination of "Nerne," the Scotsman with them, that their coming was but a matter of love with them and deceit in him. Saltonstall was in love with Rudyerd's sister: "Rudyerd faveringe his swt, kept a nother gentyleman whoe likewayes faverd her, from suche excese as he requiered: wheruppon this second lover practised withe the forsayed Scot that he should summe waye conveye them from hinderinge his interpreyes. Wheruppon the Scot practised withe them that they shold make a jhorney withe him into Scotland and ther to bestowe the latter part of the sommer in sportinge, and that he wold be a mean they shold be well entertayened and much mad on: and that bey his faver and frendshipe, he wold procuer them to be mad knightes, that therbey the sayed Saltonstall myghte the better accomplishe his misteres, in tha the myghte make her a ladey." On which "folishe sormis" they came away with him, and he confessed he meant to cut their throats, when he could find the chance. This is all that can be found out.

The Scots are very "jheleyus and trubeled withe the Dwke of Berones embassege" fearing it presages little good to them. Berwick. Signed: Jhon Carey.

1 p. Holograph. Addressed. Indorsed. Wax signet: swan, &c.


  • 1. Note on margin. "His righte name is Nerne, as hee hath now confessed."