Border Papers volume 2: November 1602

Pages 808-812

Calendar of Border Papers: Volume 2, 1595-1603. Originally published by Her Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1896.

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1510. Sir John Carey to Cecil. [Nov. 5.]

Though I formerly wrote by Master William Eead that I was to deliver the 2 combatters to Lord Hume, yet Mr Nicolson being here, and desiring this inclosed packet sent: I certify your honor that on Tuesday, 2d instant, my Lord Hume wrote to me to meet him at the Bound road to speak of Border causes, and, if Moubray and Daniel would then come with me and offer themselves, he had the King's warrant to receive and see them safe to Edinburgh. We met on Thursday where (by good chance) Mr Nicolson was, and a witness of what passed. After cautioning them both that they need not go unless of their own free will, and finding that Lord Hume had no commission to ask or demand them—but if they freely entered, to see them safe to the King's presence at Edinburgh, they freely entered themselves in face of all the company, both English and Scots, as I caused to be publicly declared both by Lord Hume and myself, to prevent all questions. Berwick. Signed: Jhon Carey.

pp. Holograph. Addressed. Indorsed. Wax signet: swan, &c.

1511. Scrope to Cecil. [Nov. 6.]

I see by your letter the King's desire to have and hang Grame: which I think is reasonable. Only if delivered, that the Queen will urge him "to performe his worde." And that he be sent by Berwick, and notice by letter to the Sheriff of this county on whose tenants he has committed many burglaries, &c., and stands indicted before "Mr Secretarie of York" at our last "Sises," where we hanged 8 notorious thieves taken by me when no other would have done it, who confessed all and more than was laid to their charge. The 9th is respited, promising to bring in an outlaw in a month—if not, "he is like to walk the same waye."

Free me from Mr Butler as soon as you can. I keep him in the "Citadelle" and 4 men guarding him at my great cost. I am very glad to hear from you of his good hope. And my brother John Carey will take it for a great favor if he is sent to Berwick, as he wrote lately on his behalf.

For coming up: on Tuesday next "comes fortenight" I will set towards Langer, if all quiet here: where if I hear by you her Majesty is willing, I will go on, else I will come back. I will seek by no other, but my occasions are very groat. Johnston and I agree, and I keep him to the King's order, doubting if he can perform it. John Musgrave was here with Nicolson who told me he had written. You will hear or long of a great welter in Scotland. The Earl of Gowrie's sister is gone to London, which I think you heard long ago.

I send copy of the King's letter: keeping the original for my discharge.

2 pp. Holograph. Addressed. Indorsed.

1512. Sir John Carey to Cecil. [Nov. 10. 1602.]

On the 8th I received your letter of 3d, but, having to ride next day to the country, could answer no sooner, but sent off the packet to Mr Nicolson. For my brother: I pray God he may continue long, hoping you will from henceforth "patronies thoes thinges that ar left unbestowed alredey of his, and for thoes that ar alredey gon and bestoed, God be withe them, I have enofe!" desiring no more than the assurance of your favor and the hope of her Majesty's gracious goodnes towards me. For my coming up: I now find it requisite to remain here, for the Scots are very busy riding in this wardenry almost every night, and after first seeking my redress by justice, if not given "I shall snobe" them otherwise. The worst of them come from Liddesdale, not the opposite march.

By the end of your letter I see you are willing Master Herrey Butler should find favor, and that Lord Scrope would be rid of him. Make no question, but send him here and he shall be welcome. Let me know in what sort to receive and use him, and I pray you speak to his father to give him reasonable maintenance here, or it will be a greater "hertborstinge" for him to live in misery than death itself.

I hear that so soon as Master Daniell came to Edinburgh he was sent to the castle and not suffered to speak with anybody, and, at Master Moubray's coming the day after, he was suffered to alight at his brother-in-law's house, but afterwards likewise committed: the King having gone over the water to fetch the Queen to Edinburgh, where it is thought the combat shall be performed, but no certainty as yet. Berwick. Signed: Jhon Carey.

1 p. Holograph. Addressed. Indorsed. Wax signet: swan, &c.

1513. Secretary Cecil to Sir John Carey. [Nov. 14.]

That hearing from Lord Scrope he has "no mislyke to be combered with yong Butler," son to old Mr Butler, Cecil's neighbour in Hertfordshire, "and, finding by the gentleman himself here at London," that he presumes on your receiving him for surety out of his adversaries' sight, till they be pacified, whereof there is some appearance, and he may be better kept in a garrison town—Lord Scrope is ordered to deliver and Carey to receive him, to be made forthcoming if not remitted.

1 p. Draft by his clerk. Indorsed.

1514. Secretary Cecil to Scrope. [Nov. 14.]

Whereas he has stayed at Carlisle a yong gentleman, a son of Mr Henry Butler, who killed a gentleman and fled beyond seas, and his friends hope to procure his pardon: authorises him to send Butler and this letter to Sir John Carey at Berwick, to keep him during her Majesty's pleasure, whose grace is hoped, as he is not yet indicted.

½ p. Draft by his clerk. Indorsed.

1515. Sir J. Carey to Cecil. [Nov. 15.]

With this inclosed packet of Mr Nicolson's, I have nothing to say, but once again to solicit, that seeing the treasurer Sir William Bowes "and the ii Selbeyes (porters)," are so necessary there that they may not once in a year and a half be spared to come here their place of service: yet that it would please her Majesty to cause Captain Skynner to come down, if but to see how his charge doth? in which, "come Maye daye next," he has been entered 2 years, and has never showed himself to his company, but once to receive them! They do not amiss to take liberty that may have it, but they have all such leave of absence as I think never before was! Some of them staying there for little purpose but to plague this country and the gentlemen, by finding quarrels in law, &c. to call them up—a great hindrance to the Queen's service and defence of the country: encouraging the thieves opposite, who know none will resist them, impoverished with troublesome processes calling them up to London, be they never so small, as if there were no law or discipline here! Berwick. Signed: Jhon Carey.

1 p. Holograph. Addressed. Indorsed. Wax signet: swan, &c.

1516. Cecil to Sir J. Carey. [Nov. [16.]]

As her Majesty is assured that Mr Skynner is gone to Berwick, it is suggested to meet one More a Scottish man, long a dweller in the Low Countries, and they are to go thence to the Archduke: though for myself I hardly credit it, while "in truth I hold him a light hedded companion"—her pleasure is you shall speedily send him up with some one of the garrison, except he put in sufficient security of 1000l. to appear on 8 days' warning: if not able to do so, let him give his own recognisance of 1000l. and be sent up as above. To tell truth, as there is some malice between him and his accuser one Burleigh, I think he will discharge himself, myself and some others being acquainted with his employments beyond sea with privity of the State, whereof some of this accusation proceeds in ignorance.

3 pp. Corrected draft. Indorsed: "1602. Mynute from my master to Sir John Carey."

1517. Sir J. Carey to Cecil. [Nov. 23.]

Your honor's packet of 16th instant I sent presently to Master Nicolson: with it I received several letters to myself—one for "sending upe" Captain Skiner who has not been here since I came down: so soon as he comes I will do as you order—with your favour I will say my mind in this. If he do come here, it might be well to suffer him, in case he offer any fresh matter. I shall take care against his escape, and as there "uses" here one Thomas Moer, a Scottish merchant that has trafficked long to the Low Countries, and taken for a very honest man: if ther be any such practice between them, they may be better discovered, being in such a net that he cannot escape, and things may be better prepared for his trial, than by his accuser, who may be moved by the malice of Captain Jackson, his mortal enemy, as he got the place from me, and would be glad to bring him into trouble to get the place again—which he never shall while I remain here. "Nowe that Borley beinge cast of bey Skiner—whoe perhapes is abell to mayentayen him no longer: and for that Skiner bayeled him for a morder he committed, and fearinge least he maye come in danger for him, hathe mad sume searche for him, and ded wryghte to me intretinge me, if he came this waye, to aprehend him for the sayed morder, fearinge he shold a gone into Scotland, wherof Borley, hearinge that he leyed suche weyeghte for him, is as I hear fled to Captayen Jacksun, they bothe as it is sayed, beinge to goe into Swethland—but I dar say the lese in this matter, for that Captayen Linley, on that is fled from thens into Scotland for a morther likewayes, at his ferst comming into Scotland, beinge in compeney of sertayen Englishe gentyllmen, hearinge that Captayen Skiner and Borley had soughte to aprehend him for that morther, he sayed he wold be even withe them, for he wold ackeuse them bothe of treson—so, as it shold sem, they ar a packe of honest pepell"! In your letter there was one from "Master Skiner" that he would be here presently, and if he come before I hear again from you, I will send him up according to the Queen's pleasure. Now touching the other letter "of youer owen hand," telling me not to rely altogether on you, but address some of my other friends: you are the friend I have in my heart desired an "entrest into," since your father's death, whom I loved best of all men living: and seeing I have your promise under your own hand, I will not release it, knowing where you once take in friendship, you do not easily cast off: which gave me such comfort in your letter of 20th October, confirmed in yours of 3d instant, and content enough even if I receive nothing more. I will not be more troublesome than you like, but if my brother's death unhappily fall out, when all will be busy for themselves, you will at least remind her Majesty for me, too far off to speak for myself, not doubting after the "first brunt," when things are stayed, many of my friends will put to their helping hands for me.

While finishiug up this, a poor fellow of this town brought me from Newcastle the enclosed letters from the Mayor and brethren there, which I thought best to send with the mayor's own letter, for your honor's pleasure as to sending them to the King.

I entreat you to give one Master William Buggines, a "counseler-at-lawe," favourable hearing on the abuses done to me by a trusted servant, who in my absence here, has almost undone me—too tedious to set down here—but of which the gentleman, who does all things for me, will inform your honor, with request for some help from my lords of the Council, to send for and lay him up safe till my estate may be secured.

Though Skiner has written to me he will be here soon, I doubt it, for he has often done so before: but if her Majesty will have him, he may be found either at Campes at his own house, or else in Nottinghamshire "at his father Markames." Berwick. Signed: Jhon Carey.

I had almost forgotten Master Herrey Butler, but, if you send him, he shall be very welcome for his father's sake and yours: and unless the Queen and Council send for him, all the enemies he has shall not get him.

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1518. Scrope to Cecil. [Nov. 26.]

I have your letter, with her Majesty's pleasure I come up against next term, and not to stir hence till then: which I am very ready to obey. When I come up, I will prove the mischievous practices plotted against me and my government by some recently gone up. I sent Mr Butler to Berwick, by Mr Fenwick and Sir Robert Carey's houses, who are to see him taken there: heartily thanking you for his dispatch. Lancelot Carleton told me there is a great man of Ireland, near allied to Tiron, has offered her Majesty to procure her Tiron's head. If you think it fit to deal in, I will make Carleton set down in writing his desire, and what "Lancelot" will have for procuring it: and then her Majesty may use it as pleases her.

I inclose G. Nicolson's letter on these Border matters, showing what I have done. Signed: Th. Scroope.

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1519. Scrope to Cecil. [Nov. 29.]

Lest the Scottish King should write otherwise, I think good to signify, not long since 8 score of Scots and outlaws came to burn our town called Stenton, half a mile from Carlisle, but were "well bett," and some horses killed and hurt: they spoiled some houses at Drumbewgh, and then some of the Bishop's tenants of Linstock. Hearing they were in a tower of the Scottish Armstrongs, I sent and burned up the door, killed Petti Armstrang, a notorious thief, outlaw, and murderer of Sir John Carmichael the warden, and took Johnston, who stole 1000 marks sterling from the King's merchants of Edinburgh, "whom bringing thoroug Easke, the Grames tooke upon thire surtie, and some cattel also that were taken in Scotland, which man they "have sent home, doutinge they will not restore him to us againe—wherat the King wilbe displeased as I feare." Carlisle. Signed: Th. Scroope.

1 p. Holograph. Addressed. Indorsed: "November 9. L. Scroope to my master."

1520. Sir J. Carey to Cecil. [Nov. 29.]

I meant not to write till I sent up Master Skiner, who came here on Friday 26th late at night: "whoe God willing" I will send up next Wednesday, with all I find: but this packet from Master Nicolson came late this 29th after the gates locking, and I durst not keep "them" longer than this morning. Mr Herry Butler also came hither on Friday from Woodrington. If it pleased you to show him favour, we may find a mean to do him good, and his enemies not know how to help themselves. This is, he might be committed to the Mayor and corporation here on a charge of murder, and if apprehended on any man's suit, may be tried for his life, as the charters of the town give them power to try for life and death, "ye in sume kynd of tresunes"—whereby he may receive grace without troubling her Majesty for a pardon. If you will but encourage me, I hope to work it: for he fears much if his enemies procure the Queen's or Council's letters to remove him, "then he wear but ded," and I should be very loath to send him to death, and had rather he had never come here.

I must tell you there are many great "intelleygensers" hereabouts: amongst the rest I hear that immediately after the Earl of Mar came from London, Sir Thomas Erskine, "a man verey offityus in thoes affayers," has frequented these borders from Midsummer to Michaelmas, and is still keping tryst with Englishmen, sometimes at "Gatherig pee," other times at "Hettonthorin," both places within 2 miles of "Barmor"—till on notice that I had discovered his courses and laid wait for him, he discontinued coming, but used more secret means, by Sir Alexander Hume his brother in-law bringing Englishmen secretly to his house at Manderston: among others Master Thomas Persey, who conferred long with him there in a garden or orchard; and next day these two, with a servant of Sir Alexander's, rode to the King at Dunfermline, spoke with him and returned as secretly, going south, where he is still for what I know. If you desire to know more, I shall try. Berwick, "this 29 of November at 10 a cloke in the night." Signed: Jhon Carey.

pp. Holograph. Addressed. Indorsed by Cecil's clerk: "… Mr Skinner sent up." Fragment of wax signet.