East Indies: October 1624

Calendar of State Papers Colonial, East Indies, China and Japan, Volume 4, 1622-1624. Originally published by Her Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1878.

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'East Indies: October 1624', in Calendar of State Papers Colonial, East Indies, China and Japan, Volume 4, 1622-1624, (London, 1878) pp. 416-432. British History Online https://www.british-history.ac.uk/cal-state-papers/colonial/east-indies-china-japan/vol4/pp416-432 [accessed 3 March 2024]

Oct 1624

Oct. 1. 628. Court Minutes of the East India Company. Information having been given that Mr. Woodall has shipped 12 servants into the Indies, whose wages he is to receive, ordered that he be warned to attend the next Court. Concerning the estate of Halstead, deceased. Rise of the price of cloth, because by reason of the extreme drought this last summer, the fulling mills could not work. Report of Mr. Bell that he had attended Sec. Conway and first moved him for a warrant to the Lord Admiral for the staying of the Dutch East India ships, as ordered by his Majesty, but his answer was that he would first acquaint the Duke with the King's pleasure, and afterwards frame a warrant accordingly; secondly, he prayed Mr. Secretary that some declaration of the King might be entered in the Council book, with their Lordships' opinion and his Majesty's resolution concerning his purpose to repair the injuries and violences of the Dutch, and the Company to have an authentic copy thereof; thirdly, that the Company might receive the warrant promised by his Majesty for their discharge for all matters committed by them in the Indies, according to his Majesty's promise, whereto Mr. Secretary answered that it stuck not at him, for he had long since given order for the performance thereof. Stammell cloths and "perpetuanaes," as also directions how to proceed in criminal causes, with an abridgement of the Statutes of England, to be sent by the Swallow. [One page and a half. Court Minute Book, VII., 144–145.]
Oct. 1. 629. Morris Abbott to Carleton. Is sorry that through his own over zeal he should give Carleton cause for writing so long a letter as that of the 18th (see ante, No. 615), but hopes the Company's late letters do sufficiently confess their mistakes and give Carleton satisfaction. The burnt child dreads the fire, and they have been so bitten by the Dutch taking all advantages in writings that themselves have thought it not safe to acknowledge any intention in their people, and more unsafe to have the power of building forts with that restriction, "for thereby they had means granted, as being the stronger, to cavill and put us by all places whatever." Must confess an error in writing as he did about the public faith, but supposes the States are not able to relieve the Company in that engagement which they entered into for their merchants, and which Abbott well saw at their last being in England, and as appears now in this bloody act, the merchants in plain terms performing what they please. Explains how payment has been deferred of the 23,906 ryals, notwithstanding the States precisely engaged it in the last treaty. Confesses the hope of hostages was ridiculous, and so dishonorable as no State would endure. The resolution of the Prince of Orange is, without all exception, that until they may have distinct places of association there will never be any accord; and "I must confess I much doubted that an absolute breach could be good for us, but therein such was the violence of our people that, as I wrote your Lordship, I herein durst not give any direct answer." That proposition was long disputed on Monday last before the Lords Commissioners at Hampton Court; they concluded that they saw an inclination thereto in all of us, one only excepted, and with Carleton's three cautions it will be yielded unto. For this cause, has ever been backward in getting the book printed, but whether it will so rest he knows not, our people being still urgent upon it. The Commissioners have fully resolved his Majesty upon sight of all our papers, of the innocency of our people, and thereupon order is given for the detainment of all the East India ships: shall then see whether the States will make themselves parties or no. The horror of their cruelties is a great help to the righting of our wrongs, and the discouragement amongst themselves is no small advantage, so that now or never we must expect redress. Any jealousies with Boreel or any of the Mayors never entered our thoughts. The like mistake touching Sec. Conway grew only by those committees who were employed to the Court, which is since rectified. Generallities may soon commit errors; they are sorry to have given him any discontent, and now see his ardent desire to do all possible endeavours in their affairs. Endorsed, "Recd the 12th." [One page and a half. Holland Corresp.]
Oct. 2. 630. Christopher Clitherow, Deputy Governor, and fourteen members of the committee of the East India Company to Carleton. Understand that Sec. Conway has recommended to him the speedy procuring of an Act or letter mandatory from the States General and the Prince of Orange into the Indies, which, as it imports the welfare and security of all their affairs, and they have a ship ready to sail which stays only for this Act, they make bold to put him in mind of, and pray that it may be authentic, and so plainly composed as not to be subject to ambiguity or double interpretation. The Lords Commissioners having duly examined the business, rest satisfied that the proceedings at Amboyna were murderous, and that the English died innocent. This they have declared, and also advised his Majesty, who has taken a firm resolution to right his own honour, revenge his subjects' blood, and repair their damage upon the ships and goods of the Dutch East India Company. He has commanded themselves cheerfully to proceed with their trade, promising that if the Dutch in the Indies shall persist in their insolencies, he will "toties quoties" use his force to reduce them to better conformity. It rests only that they by every opportunity acknowledge his noble fervency in pursuit of these so important occasions and their own humble thankfulness for his favours. Endorsed, "Recd the 12th, 1624." [One page. Holland Corresp.]
Oct. 2. 631. The Duke of Buckingham to the Prince of Orange. The proofs Buckingham has given of his care for the United Provinces, give him assurance that what he proposes will not receive an ill interpretation. The excess committed by the Dutch Governor in Amboyna, has so justly irritated his Majesty, his Council, the whole English nation, and the East India Company in particular, that those who wish to foment a good intelligence between that Crown and the States, ought as much in prudence as in justice to blame the fact and demand reparation. Will not importune him with the pitiable relation, and the complaints and proofs which the merchants have given, but will remind him only of the constancy with which his Majesty has overcome every kind of difficulty in granting aid of men and money to the States, and of the patience his Majesty has exercised in awaiting justice from them. And this (whether on account of the form of their government, the power of their Company, or of too great negligence or confidence) has so wearied (ennuyé) his Majesty and discouraged and driven the merchants to such despair that to maintain the protection his Majesty owes to his subjects and to continue the traffic with safety (to which his honour and profit oblige him), his Majesty with the unanimous advice of his Council has expressly commanded Buckingham, his Admiral, by letter, to arrest the ships of the East India merchants, which command he cannot disobey. Has thought fit, nevertheless, not only to represent to his Excellency the present state of affairs, but also to induce him to a consideration of their issue; for when Buckingham shall have given orders to seize the ships (in which his duty so strongly presses him that he cannot wait long for a reply), the consequences of the loss of time may incite the Dutch, without considering the issue, to resistance, and then will arise a point of honour and perhaps blows, and the shedding of blood in revenge, and evils springing therefrom which cannot be foreseen. Urges him therefore to insist with the States, as it is but reasonable that they give prompt satisfaction to his Majesty for past damages and security for the future or that they seek some other means by which they may be blameless of the evils which may follow. French. Probably sent with Sec. Conway's letter to Carleton of 6 Oct. (No. 635) "by that unfortunate messenger Dixon," but most likely delayed in the transit; see Sec. Conway's letter of 25 Oct., No. 655. Carleton sent Buckingham's letter to the Prince of Orange on 21 Oct. (see No. 649). [Holland Corresp.]
Oct. 2.
The Hague.
632. Carleton to Sec. Conway. The East India business hath rested hitherto in expectance of an answer from the Bewinthebbers assembled at Middelburg; hears that two deputies are come from thence, with a large bundle of papers; but there being no Assembly of the States General nothing will be done till next week. Endorsed, "Rec. 13th by Martin." [Extract from Holland Corresp.]
Oct. 3/13.
The Hague.
633. Carleton to the Prince of Orange. Nothing is heard from England but a continuation of the complaints of the East India Company to whom his Majesty has granted certain commissioners, Lords of his Privy Council and others, to hear them and consider the answers given and to be given on this subject. Earnestly desires that that these will be more satisfactory; otherwise Carleton fears it will be no longer in their hands to apply a remedy; for until now his Majesty has held all together himself, notwithstanding that he has been driven and, as it were, forced to sharp resolutions. The Bewinthebbers have sent here two of their deputies, with the information come by their last ships from the Indies; upon which he beseeches his Excellency to use his authority with the States, that such a resolution may be taken and so promptly as may give satisfaction to his Majesty, and prevent greater inconveniences which might be occasioned by the meeting of Parliament in the coming month, in case these bloody affairs now so crudely and ill digested should be presented to that Assembly, as undoubtely they will be. [French. Extract from Holland Corresp.]
Oct. 4. 634. Locke to Carleton. The East India Company has so far prevailed that the King has ordered two of his ships to be made ready to seize upon the Hollanders' ships until they have given the Company satisfaction. The King will maintain them in their trade and see that no wrong be offered to them. The merchants are unwilling to have any doings with Sir Robt. Sherley, though in the opinion of Sec. Conway and others what he propounds may be for their good; but the Company say they are not able to undertake the trade, it is too great for them. [Extract from Domestic Corresp., Jac. I., Vol. CLXXIII., No. 12, Cal., p. 349.]
Oct. 6. 635. Sec. Conway to Carleton. The answers sent hither from the States touching Amboyna have fallen so much short of what his Majesty might in justice and reason expect that, notwithstanding the Duke's careful directions and all Conway's endeavours, resolution is taken by the Lords, and approved by the King, that stay be made of the first ships of those countries that shall come from the East Indies until satisfaction be given; and this must and will be put in execution, so as the States must either think of some present real way of satisfaction, or else give order to their ships that they suffer themselves to be stayed without opposition; for, in case of resistance, force must be used, which will be such a falling into terms of hostility, as Conway sees not how it can be kept from a war. The Prince and Duke would be much troubled to see all their good offices prove fruitless. The Duke will delay and moderate by his directions to his officers as much as he may, but if no satisfaction come, he cannot but command and see execution when it comes to the point. This way of giving directions to the Lord Admiral, Conway had before thought of and advised as the best expedient to give present contentment here, and keep things from extremities; and withall, order is taken that in case of arrest there shall be such good usage of persons, ships, and goods as all just cause of grievance may be avoided as much as possible. Carleton will see by the enclosed the desire of the English Company for removing from some parts in the Indies, and building forts in other places where the Dutch have no real possession, and that the States would give order in this, as also to their men there, so to dispose them to reason and mutual correspondency, that all further oppressions may be avoided. He may be pleased to procure the States order therein speedily and effectually, which, if they refuse (being agreeable to former treaties), it will be seen what their resolutions are, and his Majesty will provide for his own honour and his subjects' trade and safety as he shall find cause. Incloses,
635. I. Proposition of the East India Company to the King. That they have resolved speedily to remove their agents and factors from Jacatra, and from all other places where they have lived wader the laws and cruel commands of the Dutch, with intention to fortify some convenient and safe places in the Straits of Sunda to the westward of Bantam, or to the eastward of Cheribon, and in some other countries where the Dutch have no such real possession whereupon to ground a pretended sovereignity. For this purpose they have already sent soldiers, engineers, workmen, artillery, munition, and other needful things, and intend very shortly to despatch away more, if they may be assured of his Majesty's Royal protection. In consideration of the premises, beseech his Majesty to take some present course:
1. That the Dutch in the East Indies may be effectually commanded, by letters from the States and Prince of Orange, to suffer the English quietly to depart from Jacatra and other places, with all their estates.
2. If any differences cannot end by mutual agreement of the Councils of Defence, they may be remitted hither, to be decided by his Majesty and the States, if they cannot be accommodated by the English and Dutch Companies here.
3. That the Dutch suffer the English to make said fortifications, and in all other occasions treat them like friends and allies, that so the liberty of traffic in those parts may be cherished and advanced. For the furtherance whereof they conceive it very necessary that the said letters, in plain and authentic form, be procured speedily and sent in their next shipping, to prevent further mischief. As for those wrongs and outrages whereof they have already complained, they will in due time solicit his Majesty's Royal assistance for justice and redress. [Two pages and a half. Holland Corresp.]
Oct. 6. 636. Court Minutes of the East India Company. Report of Mr. Strowd, that upon hearing the charges against Capt. Greene, he is found "faulty in such manner as he has been charged." Concerning the business of Henry Bate, late the Company's servant, returned from the Indies, who has given out that he will yield to no other condition than himself shall think reasonable. Note is delivered by the Governor to George Ball of what the Company challengeth from him, requiring his answer on Friday following. Ordered that Capt. Greene have, according to his desire, a note of the particulars wherewith he stands charged by the Company. Petition of (Rich.) Welden for 100l. on account of his wages, and for all matters between the Company and him to be referred to arbitrators. The Court would not grant the first, but were contented to join in a course of arbitrament on certain conditions. Report of Mr. Governor that he and others had been served with process to appear at Westminster in Pike's business concerning his brother's estate; discussion thereon. Committee appointed to see whether the Lesser James may be made serviceable for 800l. or 900l., as the Company are informed. The Court was moved whether they will print the books concerning the cruelties of the Dutch towards the English at Amboyna. It was said 500 may be printed for 12l. 10s., but conceived fit by the Company to print 2,000, and then have the press broken; that some few copies be given to some principal persons of the nobility, and if they be well taken, then to adventure to put abroad the rest, which if they shall do, the benefit will pay for the printing. Concerning the difference between one Sprake, late the Company's servant, deceased in the Indies, and Banggam. Report of Mr. Bell of what passed between him and Mr. Sec. Conway (see ante, Court Minutes, Oct. 1). The Court was now put in mind that howsoever nothing hath been required from the Company by way of fee, yet it is not fit to trouble a public person of Mr. Sec. Conway's place and employment without taking consideration thereof; ordered that he be presented with 50l. "as a free thankfulness from the Company." 27s. to be paid to Mr. Leate for postage of the Company's letters out of Persia by way of Marseilles. Letter read from Lord Vaúghan desiring the Company would take consideration of the son of Capt. David Middleton, who died in the Company's service. Henry Middleton, the son, presented to the Court. After much reasoning, the Court called to mind that the captain lost both ship and goods to a very great value; it was in the sixth voyage and ended in Chancery; and therefore they gave for answer that there is nothing due. Resolved that the following commodities be sent in the fleet, viz., 180 tons of lead, quicksilver, amber beads, cloths, green and crimson satins, gold and silver lace to the value of 300l. or 400l., and cloth of gold and silver to the value of 1,000l. Ordered that a draught be made of some good, legal, and justifiable course in causes criminal, and shown to Lord Hubbard [Hobart] before it be sent to the Indies. Report concerning the difference between Sylvanus Man and his apprentice's father concerning wages. [Five pages and a quarter. Court Minute Book, VII., 146–151.]
Oct. 6.
The Hague.
637. Carleton to Sec. Conway. Has not yet heard anything from the States touching the East India business, notwithstanding the deputies of the Bewinthebbers have been here five days, and have been often heard by the States, to whom they justify the fact of their men in Amboyna by further informations which they say they have received by two which are come in these last ships, one Hauteman, who hath been long conversant in the Moluccas, and should have succeeded Coen and Maerschalke, a principal man at Amboyna, next Governor Speult. Hears that these chiefly insist on the voluntary confessions of the English, and their persisting therein to their deaths; but that is a thing so contrary to the testimonies of the English which were present, and the writings come to light of some which were executed, that no credit is to be given to it without further proofs. [Extract from Holland Corresp.]
Oct. 7. 638. Locke to Carleton. Sends order of the Privy Council in behalf of the East India Company, and copy of a letter agreed to be sent to the Lord Admiral, but it is not signed, and will not be signed till the Lords meet in Council. [Dom. Corresp., Jac. I., Vol. CLXXIII., No. 12.] Incloses,
638. I. Order of the Privy Council on the complaint of the East India Company concerning the Amboyna massacre. Whitehall, 1624, Sept. There is also another copy in French with the names of those present, dated Hampton Court, 1624, Sept. 27. See Calendar, ante, No. 620. [East Indies, Vol. III., No. 48.]
638. II. [The Privy Council] to the Lord Admiral. The King having taken resolution, by advice of his Council, upon complaint of the East India Company, touching the execution of Amboyna, he is required to put in readiness such ships as are requisite, with orders to seize so many of the ships and goods of the Netherlands East India Company as they find either outwards or homewards bound. If the ships quietly submit, especial care is to be had for their preservation and for the fair usage of the men until further order. 1624, Sept. 30. [East Indies, Vol. III., No. 50.] Duplicates of these two inclosures will be found in Dom. Jac. I., Vol. CLXXII., No. 64, and Vol. CLXXXII., No. 62*.
Oct. 8. 639. Court Minutes of the East India Company. After consideration it was agreed that 2,000 copies of the relation of the Amboyna business should be printed in English "to be spread here," and 1,000 in Dutch to be sent over, and that it may not be taken for a libel, there shall be set upon the front of each book the arms of this Company, in token that they avow them to be true. Motion for the payment of the moneys due to [Rich.] Fursland, deceased. It was answered there is a jewel come home reckoned worth 800 ryals which Fursland received from the King of Synan as a present, that all such presents do of right and by covenant belong to the Company, and instanced Sir Thomas Roe and Edwards; therefore, though the Company will do all that is just, they required this jewel to be brought into Court. Report of Mr. Governor that himself and others had spoken with Sec. Conway at Whitehall, who, in answer to their desire to know, said the letter is already gone to the States and Prince of Orange concerning the building of a fort and the safety of the Company's goods and their servants' lives in the Indies; that as for the letter to the Narrow Seas for stay of the Dutch East India Company's ships there, he must first acquaint the Lord Admiral therewith; that for the Act of Council concerning the resolution taken by his Majesty herein, it rested with the Clerk of the Council, who was to draw it up. On inquiry of Mr. Dickenson it was found Sir William Beecher had it, but there is straining of courtesy who shall first sign it, neither could an authentic copy be given until the Commissioners and others had signed it, because it was not an act of the table but a special committee; that an honourable person had advised them to bring it to a full table, "but withall the Court observed a cold and slow proceeding," and entering into consideration what might be the impediment, among other things it was remembered that Mr. Sec. Conway had been often troubled in this business, for which, "albeit out of his own nobleness he had refrained to require anything from the Company," yet it must be considered there are duties belonging to his place, and that it is not fit to "put him to make demand;" ordered, therefore, by erection of hands, that he shall be forthwith presented with 100 20s. pieces, as a thankfulness; also that the Lord President for his many favours and extraordinary pains taken in the Company's business, shall be presented with 100l. in gold, and Messrs. Bell, Styles, and Munnes to receive the money from the Treasurer and deliver it forthwith. The parties that robbed the Company's warehouse at Leadenhall condemned to death; and the son of one of them having confessed to have sold stolen indigo to one Barnes, a chandler, ordered that Barnes be indicted. Notice to be given out that the Company purpose to entertain a master for the London, now outward bound. Request on behalf of "Mr. Purkas (sic), that writes a history of the world," that the Company would favour him with a sight of the observation or journal of Mr. Monnox, which he would only peruse and then return; ordered that Mr. Ellam shall deliver it and take a receipt for it to be restored within a convenient time. See ante, No. 305. [Five pages and a quarter. Court Minute Book, VII., pp. 151–156.]
Oct. 8. 640. Minutes of a Court of Sales. Lists of goods sold, comprising pepper, mace, sugar, rice, aloes, spikenard, cotton yarn, and bezoar stones, with names of the purchasers and prices. [One page and three quarters. Court Minute Book, VII., pp. 156, 157.]
Oct. 12.
641. Barlow to Carleton. Finds that there is not anything in print since 1609 concerning the East India voyages, nor much written that is made public. Illness of Slade, who has lately buried his wife. Is now to have the final resolution concerning the payment of the 23,906 ryals. "Their dealing is such as they give not content to any they have to do withall." Should be glad to hear the States resolution concerning the business of Amboyna, and whether the party come from thence hath been examined, he being one of the principal in that bloody trial. [One page. Holland Corresp.]
Oct. 13.
642. P. de Regemortes to Sec. Conway. Arrived once more in England yesterday. Has made every endeavour, during his sojourn in Holland, that his Majesty might have contentment for the execution done in the East Indies. Found the Prince of Orange and the States in trouble, who thought time ought to be conceded them for sending to the Indies, for information in a matter of so great importance. Had the reading at Middelburg of the original confession of all those who were executed, also the accusation of the fiscal and the sentence. The confession in general imports that they had undertaken to make themselves masters by force of arms of the fort of Amboyna, as soon as some English ship should come into the road of Amboyna, to be the better assisted by her men. Sends word what he has read in the matter, without interposing his opinion. Finds the goods taken are restored into the hands of the English Commissioners. His Majesty will hear all from his Ambassador; does not wish to meddle further in it, feeling some diffidence, as he naturally leans to the side of England, being a servant of his Majesty. French. Endorsed, "Mons. D'Aiguemortes." [Holland Corresp.]
Oct. 13–15. 643. Court Minutes of the East India Company, The Court satisfied that Fursland had ordered in his will that the jewel shall be delivered to the Company "as their proper goods;" 800 ryals are to be deducted out of his estate here for it. Examination of Woodall charged with seeking his own gain by thrusting his servants upon the Company; he admits he has seven apprentices as surgeons mates in the Indies, but has had 20, who are dead; that they are set out at his great charge, and the benefit he makes is but their two months' pay yearly, and that such as live to return prove the ablest for that employment by reason of their practice, as will appear upon examination of skilful surgeons to whom he refers; "with that his submitting trial the Court was satisfied;" also concerning a complaint against him in Chancery by John Parker and Barbara his wife, for goods detained by Woodall, belonging to Francis Moore, deceased, in the Indies. The men that came home without leave to have their wages to the time they were shipped for England. Report received that the master of the Swallow refuses to put to sea except he be supplied with ship carpenters, the two carpenters formerly entertained having run away; ordered that Keeling prosecute them with effect. Mr. Governor reported that he and some of the committees had attended the Lord President and Sec. Conway, and that their business moves well, and that they had also attended the Duke concerning the stay of the Dutch Company's ships, which were shortly to put to sea for the Indies. The Duke promised all favour, affirmed that he had given order for a letter to the Narrow Seas for that purpose; also that he had written to the Prince of Orange concerning the same, and wished the Company on all occasions to resort to his servant, Mr. Oliver, who should always be a means to bring them to his presence. License having been granted to print the books wherein is set down the Dutch cruelties, there wants only an "Epistle to the Reader" [see pp. 389– 392]; ordered that Mr. Skinner be called on for a draught, to be viewed by Mr. Governor and Deputy Governor; the number of books to be printed and compounding with the press to be left wholly to Mr. Munnes. Letter read from Richard Leare from Florence, concerning 60 chests of coral to be had there. "The general release to the Company for all errors past in the Indies under the Broad Seal of England was at this Court delivered to Mr. Treasurer Stone, to be by him safely kept." Arnold Browne entertained to go master in the London at 10l. per month.
Oct. 15.—The business between Woodall and John and Barbara Parker ended by the Governor with the liking of both parties. Information that more indigo had been stolen out of the warehouse at Leadenhall; ordered that strict watch bo kept for the thieves. That 12 letters are directed from the Lord Admiral to the Narrow Seas and other ports of England to the westward, for stay of the Dutch East India ships, and also letters from the Lords to the same effect. Concerning Lord Hubbard's [Hobart] adventure, deferred [see petition, p. 484]. Concerning the wages and the election of mates, which is not to be left so freely to masters as heretofore. Mr. Roberts having declared his sorrow for carrying the Little James into Ireland, appointed mate in the London, Thornborough, purser, and George Sherrock his mate. Ordered that no Dutchman serve the Company with beer. Discussion about calling a General Court to make known his Majesty's gracious dealing with the Company, to publish the dividends, and report concerning brokes; also concerning the state of their cash and the necessity of their issues. "20,000l. will but pay the Mich. dividend; ships are to be sent out and stock for their trade." Mr. Governor added, that he would not give over his resolute purpose to deliver the Company from the great debt that is both a burthen and a disreputation to them. [Eight pages. Court Minute Book, VII., 158–165.]
Oct. (15 ?).
The Hague.
644. Carleton to Sec. Conway. Two of the deputies of the States General (who would have come yesterday, but that Carleton was then in no less torment than that of Amboyna) have been to tell him that the States could not sooner give answer to our men's complaints by reason of the delays of the Bewinthebbers, who have now brought a state of the business contrary in many main points to that of our men, and withall have sent for Hauteman and Mareschalk, and offer to bring them before Carleton and to communicate to him the writing of the Bewinthebbers to the States. Told them he could not undertake the hearing without commission, and advised them to send these persons into England; that he much marvelled Mareschalk should be suffered to remain full five weeks at liberty, and advised them to lay hold of him as an accused person of a notable crime, and make him answer e vinculis. The deputies said that so soon as Mareschalk should come within the compass of their authority (which they do not shame to acknowledge is not very absolute so far as Zealand), they would do as became them, and if his Majesty would allow them leisure, which the constitution of their State requires, they were resolved to give him full contentment, and withall they beseech his Majesty to consider the heavy war upon their necks, which takes up much of their time. This being all Carleton can expect to obtain for the present, he refers it to his Majesty whether it be better to concur with the States in doing justice on all who by examination shall appear to have had a hand in the fact, or by other courses "to reconjoin the States with the Bewinthebbers in one as in defence of a common cause," which they will soon slip into if the means now proposed for a reasonable satisfaction be not embraced. In case his Majesty allow of this course, it will be necessary some fit persons be speedily authorised to join with General Carpenter in examination of the whole process of Amboyna and other matters in question betwixt the two Companies. The occasion was never fairer for our men to have them well settled. Meanwhile for their trade they may boldly proceed without hazard, for the States and the Prince of Orange have written to their General, both for sending hither the Amboyna Governor and Judges, and to hold good friendship with the English in general, and in particular to accomplish their desire in the three points according to the States' answer: the first of which is ample and satisfactory; the second saves their sovereignty in causes not belonging to the general of the two Companies; the third has two main restrictions—as to not building forts within 30 miles of the Dutch forts, and forbearing the Moluccas, Banda, and Amboyna. The States seem religious to maintain the treaties, but Carleton finds most of them well content to have the matter taken anew in hand (which is much shunned by this Company), and more reason may be had of these men now that the States are divided from them by the horror of this bloody accident. Meanwhile this present resolution will secure our men in the Indies, the rather if his Majesty suspend without annulling his order for reprisals. A more satisfactory course cannot be thought of than fetching those men out of the Indies, for to condemn them unheard they say agrees not with justice, and to have them tried without the States jurisdiction, it is impossible to bring them here to consent to. Understands the Bewinthebbers have agreed to free trade for all in the East Indies, except returns into these parts, and have made choice of Coen again for their General ("a man odious to our men, and so I told the States deputies, noting it as an ill sign of good intentions"), who shall be sent thither with all expedition with the seven ships ordained for those parts. These are vast designs—the mastering of both East and West Indies and taking Antwerp all at once. Has received letter from his Excellency [the Prince of Orange], that he has spoken to the States deputies and written earnestly to their Assembly, to give his Majesty satisfaction in the business of Amboyna. The date has been erased, and this despatch, which is full of corrections, rewritten, and was probably sent on the 23rd. See No. 661. [Eight pages. Holland Corresp.]
Oct. 16. 645. Morris Abbott, Governor, Christ. Clitherow, Deputy, and four committees of the East India Company to Carleton. It is a month since they wrote concerning Mareschalke, and sent copy of their well-grounded demands for their departure from Jacatra and fortifying in the Indies, concerning which two points they have with earnest expectation awaited an answer, because of their ship's readiness to proceed to Jacatra, which stays only to carry this Act. The proceedings of the Lords Commissioners at Hampton Court and the King's resolution now registered as an act of the whole Council; send copy of it (see ante, No. 620). Have this week attended the Duke of Buckingham, and find he will with all diligence put his Majesty's command in execution to the uttermost, and that himself had long since written to the Prince of Orange to procure justice and reparation, but that seeing no effect produced, he now resolves effectually to pursue the direction given by force to take satisfaction. Endorsed, "Rec. 28th." [One page and a half. Holland Corresp.]
Oct. 20. 646. Court Minutes of the East India Company. "It is hoped" the Swallow is gone out of the Downs. Concerning the freight of powder and saltpetre from Hamburgh. Letter read to the Lord Admiral from the Lords of the Council for the stay of the Dutch East India ships; ordered that it be entered in the "register of letters." Motions of Sir Robert Naper [? Napier], Sir Edwyn Sands [? Sandys], and Mr. Hollinshead to take out their dividends in pepper, but there is not sufficient for them. Mr. Welden's business concerning a payment by Mr. Croppenberghe. Thomas Grove "settled" steward of the London, and Stephen Jumper his mate. Kenelme Butler's submission accepted. Divers petitions heard (see List, p. 484). [Four pages. Court Minute Book, VII., pp. 165–169.]
Oct. 21/31.
The Hague.
647. [The Prince of Orange] to Sir Noel de Caron. Has taken from his letters of the 9th and 10th fresh subject for recommending to the States speedy justice in the affair of Amboyna, though in a fact of such importance they cannot be expected to break through their accustomed forms. Their great desire is to give the King satisfaction, to whom they are under such great obligations and from whom they hope for the maintenance of their Republic; but as Republican proceedings are slow they have not yet exhibited their informations but are confident they will be found very far from what the English say. Promises to neglect nothing in his power or his duty to accelerate this business and press for reparation, if the justification be considered defective. Since one of the principal judges of the execution complained of, has returned, there will be no necessity to send to the Indies for fresh proofs; it is now only a question of a little time, which ought to be conceded to find out the truth. At all events the State ought not to be made a party to repair the faults of some of her subjects since we have quite determined to do complete and speedy [bonne et courte] justice. To seize the judges without formality of process as is desired would be to sin against our liberty. Desires him, as a way out of this unfortunate business, to labour with the aid of his friends that the deliberations of the King be kept in abeyance while we prepare the things necessary for his Majesty's satisfaction. This is all Caron must expect from the Prince. Perhaps the States will write more fully. French. [Two pages and a half. Extract from Holland Corresp.]
Oct. 21. 648. Duke of Buckingham to Sir Robert Killigrew, captain of Pendennis Castle. It is the King's pleasure, upon the complaint of the East India merchants touching the execution of Amboyna, that he seize such ships and goods of the Dutch East India Company as come within his command, and if the ships quietly submit, to take special care for their safe keeping and fair usage of the men. [Domestic Corresp., Jac. I., Vol. CLXXIII., No. 68, Cal., p. 358.]
Oct. 21/31.
The Hague.
649. Carleton to the Prince of Orange. Sends letter from the Duke of Buckingham, by which his Excellency will see the resolutions taken by his Majesty, also request of the English merchants to the Council, showing how they have been nourished in their mistrust, by delays and forced to take fresh resolutions for their security. Beseeches his Excellency to use his accustomed prudence in advising the States of the remedies. Will be very glad to be honoured with his commands to accompany his answer to the Duke of Buckingham, and to be furnished by the States with other stuff for his Majesty's satisfaction than that which they have until now drawn from the workshop of their interested merchants. [French. Extract from Holland Corresp.] Incloses,
649. i. The Duke of Buckingham to the Prince of Orange. 2 Oct. 1624. [French. Calendared ante, No. 631.]
Oct. 22. 650. Court Minutes of the East India Company. That Sir John Wolstenholme who is authorised by the Council of Virginia to demand payment of the moneys gathered from this Company's servants returned from the Indies towards erecting a school in Virginia on giving a good and sufficient discharge in law, be forthwith paid the money. Concerning the estate of Thomas Russell, deceased in the Hart, left to the poor of the parish of Stepney, on whose behalf the charity of the Company is also solicited as in former years. Dividends in pepper to be made up to Sir Robert Napper, Sir Edwin Sandys, Sir Thomas Smythe, Sir John Leman, and others. Request of Browne, master of the London, that he might not take aboard so great a quantity of tiles as 15,000; but there being need of a far greater quantity which must be sent in every ship, he "was required to apply his liking to their necessity." Request of Mr. Clifton for an "imprest" of half the 600l. the cost of the proportion of the bread and meal for the London. Consideration of the business between the Company and George Ball in the. Star Chamber; the sentence remains yet imperfect because of the ill health of two of the judges. Ordered that a committee attend the Lord President and other judges in the matter, and to complain that a man so heavily sentenced still enjoys his liberty. Consideration of Ball's desires in this business; referred for answer until the Company advise with counsel. Report of the referees in Capt. Welden's business; in reference to the 800 ryals given to him by the Dutch, his humble suit is, in respect he lost all when he was taken and carried naked on shore, having received sore hurts insomuch that he had divers bones taken out of him, and that the Dutch having taken the ship he was in, did in commisseration of his case bestow said ryals upon him. "This Court began to commisserate the man, but then was brought to their remembrance his great error of fawning upon the Dutch, suffering them to fasten gifts upon him after their bloody execution at Amboyna and his drinking healths to the authors of that bloody plot." On erection of hands whether Welden should pay back all the ryals, half, or none, the major part was to pay back half, but he showed no liking to this end, and did earnestly desire the Court not to lay so heavy a burden upon him which would exhaust all he had to receive; but the Court at this time gave no other answer. Order that the Lord Mayor Elect may have "their chambers at Blackwall to be shot off at the solemnity of his taking oath at Westminster." Request of Adam Denton that his suit might be referred to Sir John Walter and Mr. Bancks, and not come to a hearing in Chancery; was told that when all the money already due is brought in, the Court will give him answer. [Five pages. Court Minute Book, VII., pp. 170–174.]
Oct. 23.
651. Chamberlain to Carleton. Ten or twelve of the King's ships are making ready against January with but a month's provisions; we cannot guess to what purpose unless it be to meet with our masters, your mayors, seeing we can have no other reasons at their hands. [Extract from Domestic Corresp., Jac. I., Vol. CLXXIII., No. 82, Cal., p. 360.]
Oct. 23. 652. Morris Abbott, Governor, and four committees of the East India Company to Carleton. It is so long since they had the comfort of his letters that they have a longing desire to hear how their business moves on that side. Make account to despatch five or six ships by the middle of March. Meantime send copy of a letter to the Lord Admiral from the Lords of the Council for the stay of ships (see ante. No. 638. II.), whereby may appear that the business stands not still here. Do not hold it needful over much to stir him up, whom they have ever found more ready than they could hope. Endorsed, 'Rec. 28th." [One page. Holland Corresp.]
Oct. 24.
The Hague.
653. Carleton to Sec. Conway. Desires not to stir from hence till he can give his Majesty a better account of these businesses of the East Indies (which he would unwillingly leave so embroiled) for howsoever, his Majesty could do no other, as things have been carried, than order reprisals, yet foresees the danger of putting them into execution, which makes him studious to avoid that extremity. If it cannot be avoided, hopes it will be done so carefully and thoroughly on our part that "we receive not a scorn," and therefore would not have it presumed that these men will strike sale without resistance, which undoubtedly they will not, unless they find themselves the weaker; but if they be the stronger no commandment will serve the turn to stop their voyage. Wherefore if it come to this issue beseeches Conway to reccommend that it may be done to purpose; "but my hope is, and my uttermost endeavours shall be, as they have hitherto been, to have such extremities prevented." [Two pages. Holland Corresp.]
Oct. 24. 654. [Sir D. Carleton] to Dudley Carleton. Looks not for his leave till the East Indian business be better settled, neither does he desire to leave things of that nature in such extremities. Will soon see what can be made of this matter. [Extract from Domestic Corresp., Jac. I., Vol. CLXXIII., No. 83, Cal., p. 360.]
Oct. 25.
655. Sec. Conway to Carleton. Fears from his expectation of letters some extraordinary mischance to the messenger, or else his natural defect of being drunk, so sends duplicate of last despatch. His Majesty, the Prince, and Duke, all approve Carleton's judgment, and wonder at and despise the manner of the States' proceeding in the matter of Amboyna. The string of patience is wound as high as it can be, and must break if it be but held there. To save the mischiefs that are foreseen the Duke of Buckingham wrote by that unfortunate messenger (Dixon) to the Prince of Orange; sends copy, that if the whole despatch be miscarried, Carleton may inform the Prince of the state of things as they were then, which are now made worse by the hostile action of the Hollanders in the Downs, reputed his Majesty's chamber of surety for his own ships and his friends. May boldly say that by the negligence, malice, or formalities of the States we shall be constrained, first, to lay hands on the ships of the Bewinthebbers; if we fail there we shall fall to the fishermen, and, as the sea-phrase is, "make all fish that comes to net, until we have won the horse or lost the saddle; and to come to that we shall attempt assault, and withdraw all that comes from us that will make us enemies; in dispite of love so seasonably declared, and of patience so long maintained. You may think we lack not those that will foment this way, and you may know that there is not an English heart that can be content to give way to the continuance of those scorns, insolencies, and barbarisms which have been committed upon our nation, if justice and satisfaction be not rendered; the giving of which is justice, peace, and finite; the other is force, war, and infinite, inasmuch as no man knows where the quarrel will end when it is begun. God give your States wisdom not to be limed with the interests of the Particulars and Bewinthebbers, or I dare prophecy these twelve months to come will bring their vast interprises by sea to a short and regular station. I shall pray the best, but upon good grounds doubt the worst. To God and his good guiding of the States' hearts and your managing I leave it." Endorsed by Carleton, "Recd the 6th of Novr. 1624 by Quester's conveyance." Incloses,
655. I. The Duke of Buckingham to the Prince of Orange, 1624, Oct. 2. French. Calendared ante, No. 631. [Holland Corresp.]
Oct. 26. 656. Sec. Conway to Carleton. Copy of the above. Endorsed, "Sent by Welsh to London to be there delivered to Mr. Williams." [Holland Corresp.]
Oct. 26.
657. Rob. Young and John Willoughby to Thomas Rastell, President, and the Council at Surat. Their last was of the 15th, with copy of the King's firman. Have since ordered two Hadjis to go in company of John Willoughby to take the firman, Cojah having given them his "parwanna" to see all things restored to them, and re-established in their former trade and privileges. Wherefore acquaint them with all moneys that have been taken unjustly, either in Baroach or for customs which they are not to pay. If anything be denied send them a roll in Persian of their names, and they will "make ear" to Cojah for his "parwanna" to be sent to restore all such sums taken. The Hadjis are enjoined to see the firman performed and relate all passages of our business, that Cojah may understand the truth and our fair carriage with the people of Surat. Sent on 17th firman to demand payment of 9,457 rupees in Agra, in which sum is included 3,000 rupees belonging to Morris Abbott for three emeralds sold to Aseph Khan. Received theirs of 9th Sept. last night, with other letters from their friends in Agra and Ahmedabad. Are glad to hear of their liberty and the return of those moneys, not doubting but all other moneys taken in the same nature will be repaid upon arrival of the Hadjis. The great jewel lies still on their hands; have privately shown it to the Governor of Lahore, but he valued it not above 12,000 rupees; have spoken since to Aseph Khan, but the Nabob will not be brought to above 14,000 rupees; so are of opinion,rather than keep it to have his dis pleasure, to take that sum. Were with him to day, but his jeweller was absent, so are to go again to-morrow to make its price. The main occasion that induces them to accept the Nabob's "voluntary price" is the Turks' inveterate and daily crying out against them unto him for justice, throwing their "sashes under their feet and trampling upon them." Have related to him the cause of their being enemies with the Turks, viz., for seizing their goods and killing divers of their men, but hope now the heat of their anger is almost past. Reasons for sending two Hadjis; it is the more credit to us to have two, although the charge be a little more, for ever hereafter we shall have the better respect in Surat, knowing we are again in the King's favour. If any thing comes worth the King's perusal send it up, or dogs which will give him content. [Two pages and a half. O.C., Vol. X., No. 1167.]
Oct. 27.
658. Barlow to Carleton. Fears that the course our Company intend in separating from these will not be digested by the States, and will fall a troublesome business, and that ours will be crossed underhand in the same; for these are "gellious" [jealous], and fear that ours intend to join with the Spaniard, and so turn them out. The Bewinthebbers hold the State in hand that they have sufficient matter to approve their doings in Amboyna, which they have set down in a large relation. Boreel gone to the Hague. Lawrence Mareschalk does not appear upon the summons; holds he will not be to be found. Has heard that his Majesty had granted to the Company to intercept the Dutch ships; wishes this had not yet been divulged, for these will go so fenced with men-of-war as there will be no meddling with them; yet, till some such course be taken, there will never good end be made with them. It is certain that Coen goes to remain principal Commander in the Indies, he being the fittest man to put in practise whatsoever they intend to have clone. He has so plotted that this Company have yielded to a free trade in the Indies, which doth wholly make void the contract with our Company. They have agreed to send a pinnace and eight ships to be ready within a month, and have resolved upon a division of 25 per cent. in cloves to the adventurers. Cannot yet meet with anything written or printed since 1609, concerning the East Indies. [One page. Holland Corresp.]
Oct. 29. 659. Morris Abbott, Governor, Christ. Clitherowe, Deputy, and five committees of the East India Company to Carleton. Are at a stand in their proceedings until they understand the resolution of the State and Company there. Warrants are sent to the Narrow Seas and all the ports westward to stay all the Dutch ships of the East India Company. Have sent away their own pinnace, and have another good ship ready to depart, and if they may receive the encouragement promised, they will proceed with all cheerfulness, for they have in readiness three or four good ships more to go immediately after Christmas. Sec. Conway troubled with them to be thus at a stand, and was of the mind to send an express to know the reason. Beseech Carleton to deliver them from these doubts. Meantime lest the world should think that they can forget the bloody injuries done to their people, they have published the same by authority in print, and send him ten books. [One page and a half. Holland Corresp.]
Oct. 29. 660. Court Minutes of the East India Company. Ordered that Mr. Dixon, servant to the Lord President, may take out 20 pieces of calicoes on stock, albeit he is somewhat behind of his payments, The question between the officers of the Custom House left to the consideration of the Company, "not doubting but they will hold proportion with the vastness of their business." Robt. Fotherby's wages increased. The business of "delinquents" (adventurers in arrears). Lady Dale's business referred by the King to the Commissioners of the Navy, and Symonson's suit about timber. Motion of Sir Henry Roe on behalf of Sir Thomas Roe, that the Company would buy of him "a fayre ballist ruby, ready set, of a good value," which he presumes may be useful to be sent into the Indies. A like motion of Mr. Leate for certain pearls pendant; to be viewed by some of the most expert jewellers, Sir Peter Van Lore, &c. Complaint of Mr. Barnes, of Albery Hatch, that his brother had been causelessly imprisoned as a receiver of the Company's stolen indigo; but resolved, for the reasons stated, to second their former order to prosecute the man. The pinnace (Swallow) being gone, and a good ship ready to go, and as yet the Company have not their letters from the Prince of Orange, the States, and the East India Company of the Low Countries, "neither will they come except some extraordinary course be taken to procure them;" in was resolved to entreat Mr. Sec. (Conway) to send an express to bring them over, and the Company will defray the charge; also to draw a letter to Sir Dudley Carleton, and send ten copies of the book now printed of the Amboyna business. Ordered that every committee be allowed five or six of these books, for themselves and their friends, and that the Lords of the Council and the principal nobility residing in and about London be each presented with one of the fairest binding, all which was performed accordingly. Concerning the cause in Chancery between the Company and Messrs. John Lamott and Anthony Gibson, agreed that Mary Cokayne shall have 100 marks in full of all pretences. Petition of Welden to resume the consideration of his business; the Court "put it again to hands," but the former order was confirmed. Concerning the jewel in question as part of Fursland's estate. Mr. Friday, Mr. Hatch, and Mr. Hoore nominated as preachers, but the choice of one is referred to another Court. Thomas Thornborough, purser of the London, to look well to the lading of the ship London "that she be not pestered with lumber;" on further consideration agreed that 10,000 instead of 15,000 tiles be sent in her, and Mr. Browne, the master, to be at the next Court. Concerning the business in arbitration between the Company and Captain Greene, an umpire desired, but referred for consideration. [Five pages and a quarter. Court Minute Book, VII., 175–180.]