James I: August 1606

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James I: August 1606

817. Sir Jef. Fenton to the Earl of Salisbury. [Aug. 3.] S.P., Ireland, vol. 219, 98.

Received yesternight directions from the Deputy to deal earnestly with the merchants and others of this city that they would not now expect the repayment of money lately borrowed of them, for that this treasure falleth short, either to satisfy them at this time, or to give contentment to sundry poor suitors and servitors, being drawn hither from all parts of the realm, in hope to be relieved by some portion thereof of their present necessity. Finds them very stiff to yield to any further tolerance; but with one voice they urge mightily the promise and word of the State given for their payment immediately upon the arrival of the money. Sees he will find it a tough work to draw them to any reason, were it not that necessity must bend them more than all the persuasions that can be used; for if it were to go upon their lives, it is not possible to raise means in this kingdom to pay them till a further supply of treasure shall be sent from England. The case is as hard towards all suitors and servitors attending here for money; and they flock hither in great numbers, hoping to be relieved in some small measure, though not to the full. The most sour and heavy part of all their importunities doth fall upon him (Fenton), by reason of a charge his Lordship left with him upon going his journey, to see an equal dividend made of the treasure that should arrive in his absence to the servitors, and to clear the borrowed money as far as it would reach. Assures Salisbury that of the whole assignment, there came hither but 1,400l. with some odd moneys; of which above 600l. was paid presently to Sir Edward Brabazon for money borrowed of him, and most of the rest to sundry mean particular persons, for money borrowed in driblets and small sums to supply his Lordship's journey to the North. Doubts not but his Lordship has written at large to Salisbury in this matter, since, when he (Fenton) saw so poor an account of the money, he sent the under-treasurer to the camp to inform him fully. Since the 26 years that he has served here, never saw so great a misery for want of money, yea amongst all sorts of men in this land generally.—Dublin, 3 August 1606.

P. 1. Hol. Sealed. Add. Endd.: "Sir Jeffery Fenton to the E. of Salisbury."

818. Lords of the Council to the Lord Deputy. [Aug. 3.] Philad. P., vol. 3, p. 91.

Were still of opinion that (in the matter of the complaint of the O'Ferralls against a grant made by the King to the Lord of Delvin) the King's intentions had been exceeded. And though he (the King) was willing to gratify Lord Delvin, he intended no such course of severity to the O'Ferralls.

As the grant could be reformed only by one of two ways:— either to find a just exception in law, or else to deal with Lord Delvin for a surrender, and to take a new and moderated grant, which it seemed he was willing to do;—they send certain informations against that grant to show that it was voidable, and so that no wrong were done to him if he would not listen to reason.—Whitehall, 3 August 1606.

Signed: R. Cant., T. Ellesmere, Canc., Nothingham, Suffolke, J. E. Worcester, H. Northampton, Salisbury, J. Stanhope.

P. 1. Orig. Add. Endd. by Sir Arthur Chichester: "From the LL. of the Councell about the business between the L. of Delvine and the O'Ferralls." Encloses,

819. Informations and objections against certain particular passages contained in the grant to the Lord Delvin from His Majesty of Lands in Ireland. Ibid, p. 95.

1. By the letters patent the lands were to be held as of His Majesty's manor of Granard, and were altered into a soccage tenure.

2. Two hundred marks answered by composition are taken away.

3. There is extinguished sixty cows issuing yearly out of the moiety granted by His Majesty in the right of His Majesty's manor of Granard.

4. His Majesty loses the services of six horsemen and 15 footmen yearly.

5. There is a clause of exoneration of everything but the rent.

6.Lord Delvin is to have granted to him so much land elsewhere as is recovered from him of the lands in the patent.

7. His Majesty and his tenants are defeated of all tithes growing upon the lands in the patent.


820. Verdict of the Jurors on the Brenny. [Aug. 8.] Carte Papers, vol. 61, p. 224.

The verdict of the jury at the Cavan touching the Brenny, which is hereby found in the King's hands. The office already perfected.

After long examination touching Sir John O'Rely and of his estate and life and death, the jury find that Philip O'Rely in the beginning of the rebellion, being strong and having underhand combined with Tyrone, Sir John O'Rely repaired to the said Earl and submitted to his arbitrament the controversy between him and Philip O'Rely; viz., that Sir John should hold the chieftaincy for life, and that Philip should succeed him; any further variance between them to be decided by O'Rowrk, M'Mahon, M'Guire, and some others; Tyrone to be umpire.

After whose death, Philip took on him the name and style of O'Rely, and enjoyed it till he was slain in rebellion, presently after whose death Edmund O'Rely of Kilnecrott, entered, and was made O'Rely, and so continued till his death, who was slain in rebellion, either by a fall from his horse or by a shot in pursuing of his son Farrell, which Farrell was at that time in service with my Lord of Dunsany.

The names of 14 jurors follow.—8 August 1606.

Fr.Russhee (sic) [Rushe] (fn. 1).

Christopher Nugent.

Math. Archebold.

W. Tirel.

Tho. Ashe.

Wm. Hill.

Richard Teirell (sic).

Richard Whit [White].

Felim × M'Gawran, is mark.

Wa. Talbot.

Hen. Nugent.

Brien × M'Kernan, his marke.

Br. O'Relly [O'Reilly.]

Gerr. Flemynge.

Pp. 2. Not add.

821. Sir H. Brouncker to the Earl of Salisbury. [Aug. 13.] S.P., Ireland, vol. 219, 100.

Prays his Lordship to receive his humble suit for Mr. Hopper. He entreated him to recommend his cause unto Salisbury, but he has forborne to be troublesome, although he knows Hopper's wrong to be very great; and as he will best explain his own heart, he makes bold to enclose his letter, not doubting but Salisbury will regard it according to the equity of his cause. Sir Parr Lane commandeth his [Brouncker's] horse, and hath carried himself so well that no complaint hath been made against them; and yet both the company and himself have been worse paid than anyone ever has been paid before him. He hath lived for the most part on that little he brought into this country, and now desireth some help upon imprest bills long due.—Cork, 13 August 1606.

P 1. Hol. Sealed. Add. Endd.: "Lord President of Munster to the E. of Salisbury."

822. Sir H. Brouncker to the Earl of Salisbury [Aug. 14.] S.P., Ireland, vol. 219, 99.

Will not trouble his Lordship with the state of this province, having faithfully delivered the same in a letter unto His Majesty, and in another unto all the Lords Commissioners for the affairs of this kingdom. Begs to advertise him of some things concerning his own particular wherein he holds himself wronged, in credit as in profit, and flees unto Salisbury's favour for redress. Is not apt to complain, but knowing his travail and expense to be equal with any almost that preceded him, his entertainments are worse paid; and that which in time of plenty was granted to others and at first allowed to him, hath been after revoked, and though by Salisbury's favour it was again established, yet it has been lately countermanded and long concealed from him. His predecessors had every half year 250l. beforehand for the provision of His Majesty's table; he has the same by instruction, but he is altogether neglected by the paymaster, and less respected than the meanest captain. Much treasure is appointed for this kingdom, but so much is taken up by the way in England, and so little arriveth hence, that he is forced to pay the soldiers out of his own ability sometimes, and many times by borrowing of the country, notwithstanding the composition, wherewithal it pleased them to reproach him; and the rather because no one penny taken up, either of town or country, since his coming hath been repaid according to his promises, to the utter ruin of his poor credit and the overthrow of His Majesty's service, if their assistance were needed. There are only 200 foot and 50 horse in this province, which might well be paid out of the revenues of Mounster, and not left to the juggling of the treasurer nor the corruption of the paymaster, who enrich themselves without regard of His Majesty's dishonour, the discontentment of the people, and the necessity of the soldiers.

It pleased His Majesty to appoint justices of assize after the manner of England, whom he (Brouncker) has received with as much honour and humanity as he could, though in some things they derogate much from the authority of his place; which he could be contented still to dissemble if the country received good, if their causes were expedited, or if disorders were reformed by it. Complains of the ill conduct of the Justices of Assize. Censures the Earl of Thomond.—Cork, 14 August 1606.

Pp. 3. Hol. Endd.: "President of Munster to the E. of Salisbury."

823. Inquisition concerning the King's Title to the Brennt O'Reilly, alias County of Cavan. [Aug. 19.] MSS. T.C.D., E. 3. 17.

Inquisition taken at Cavan in the county of Cavan on 19th of August in the 4th year of the reign, before Robert Bishop of Kilmore and Ardagh, Richard Lord Baron of Delvin, Sir James Ley, Chief Justice of the Chief Place in Ireland, Sir Oliver Lambert, one of the King's Privy Council in Ireland, and Sir John Davys, Attorney-General in Ireland, by virtue of a commission dated at Cavan aforesaid, the 5th of August in the year aforesaid, directed to the said Commissioners to inquire of all forfeited lands in the said county, come to the King or any of his predecessors by reason of any attainders, outlawries, or by the death of any persons slain in rebellion, or others being in rebellion, according to the articles contained in said commission, by the oaths of lawful men, whose names follow; viz.:—

Sir Francis Rush, knight.

Sir Thomas Ashe, knight.

Edward Fleming, esq.

Matthew Archbold, esq.

Richard Tyrrell, gentleman.

Edward Nugent, gentleman.

Christ. Nugent, gentleman.

Thomas Brady, gentleman.

Philip Magauran, esq.

Patrick Brady, gentleman.

William Tyrrell, gentleman.

Richard White, gentleman.

Brian M'Ernard, (fn. 2) gentleman.

Barnaby Brady, gentleman.

William Hill, gentleman.

Walter Talbot, gentleman.

Brian M'Shane Oge.

O'Relie, gentleman.

They find that Philip O'Reyley of Cavan, in the said county of Cavan, esq., was seised of the whole county of Cavan, called the Brenny O'Reyly, to his proper use and disposal, containing seven whole baronies, viz., the barony of Loughtie [Loughtee], otherwise called the barony of Cavan, Tullaghgarvey, otherwise called the barony of Tullaghrine, Eniskine, otherwise called the barony of Clanchie [Clankee], the barony of Castlerahan, the barony of Clanmahon, the barony of Tullaghknockho [Tullyhunco], and the barony of Tullaghchagh [Tullyhaw]; that on 1st of August in the 38th year of Queen Elizabeth he levied war against the Queen, and on 19th of October in the same year, at Cavan aforesaid, was slain in actual rebellion; by reason whereof all the territory of Brenny O'Reyly aforesaid came to the hands of the said late Queen and thence to the now King. The jurors further say, that after the death of the said Philip O'Reilly, to wit, on 20th October in the 38th of the Queen aforesaid, one Edmund O'Reilly, of Cavan aforesaid, esq., entered into possession of the said premises, and on 12th November in the 38th year of the late Queen, levied war and rebellion against the said Queen; and on 1st July in the 43rd year of the reign of the said Queen was slain in actual rebellion, whereby the premises came to the late Queen and thence to the now King. They further say, that one Sir John O'Reilly, Knight, claiming to hold the Brenny O'Reilly by the Irish custom of Tanistry, on 1st June in 36th of the late Queen was received into the Queen's favour; but afterwards, to wit, on 1st February in 38th of the Queen, adhered to the Earl of Tyrone and his rebellion, and on 1st June in the 38th of the said Queen, died a rebel at Cavan aforesaid.

Signed: Delvin, James Ley, Oliver Lambert, John Davys, Gerrald Moore.

Pp. 1½. Copy. Not endd.

824. Lords of the Council to the Lord Deputy. [Aug. 20.] Philad. P., vol. 3, p. 87.

Recommending to his care the petition of Lady Blanch Bagnall, in respect of the good service done by her late husband and also the poor estate in which she has been left, and praying that he may be a means that the children and servants remaining in the castle of Narrow Water may not be put out, but some six months time given her to find a place for them somewhere else.

He is also to deal with Sir Arthur Magennis that she may be allowed the costs bestowed by her and her late husband on the said castle, as he (Sir Arthur Magennis) is now to take the benefit thereof.—Whitehall, 20 August 1606.

Signed: T. Ellesmere, Canc., Suffolke, Gilb. Shrewsbury, J. E. Worcester, H. Northampton, Salisbury, J. Stanhope, J. Herbert.

P. 1. Orig. Add. Endd.: "From the Counsell of England in the behalfe of the Lady Blanch Bagnall." Encloses,

825. Petition of the Lady Blanch Bagnall. Ibid., p. 89.

To the Right Honourable the Lords of His Majesty's most Honourable Privy Council.

The humble petition of the Lady Blanch Bagnall. Humbly sheweth unto your honourable Lordships, that whereas Sir Samuel Bagnall, Knight, the petitioner's late husband, deceased, for the space of eight years had the keeping of a castle called Narrow Water upon a passage in the North of Ireland, whereof he had a custodiam from the late Earl of Devonshire, upon which he bestowed great charges in repairing it and lived in very much danger therein during the late wars there.

And now the petitioner, since her husband's decease, repairing hither to the King's Majesty for some relief for herself and her children, having no means left her by her husband, she feareth that her children will be put out of that castle by the Lord Deputy before she shall despatch her suit to return to them.

Prays direction to the Lord Deputy to continue her children in possession till she can provide for them elsewhere. And when she is turned out, prays to receive some satisfaction for the costs bestowed upon it by her late husband.

826. Earl of Thomond to the Earl of Salisbury. [Aug. 22.] S.P., Ireland, vol. 219, 101.

Has received his Lordship's letters touching the controversy between the Lord President and himself. For his own part never was desirous to have anything to do with any officer of His Majesty in public authority, but to further and assist them the best he could. How he gave way for the ending of that matter upon receipt of Salisbury's letter, he leaves to the Deputy and Council, for he confesses no man living can command him more, either in that or any other matter, than Salisbury. Thanks him for his leave. Means to see Salisbury next spring (God willing), and would have been there before this, but his sickness has driven him to put himself into the Irish physicians' hands, which he often wishes he had never done. Professes his devotion to Salisbury, and his friends. Has sent him a cast of falcons; and if his Lordship will send his man next year, he shall be commander of all the eyries, and he (Thomond) will see him safely conducted a-shipboard. Begs his Lordship to procure that he shall be named chief in commission of the justices of assize in this county of Clare, called Thomond, for which he has Her late Majesty's letters patents, through his (Salisbury's) good means, and in like sort His Highness's. Thanks God that this country lives in as good civility and quietness, and has yielded His Highness more profit and true obedience, than any shire in the kingdom of Ireland. Hears that divers governments are revolting, and desires him in his next letters to my Lord Deputy to signify his opinion for the continuance of it, for he daily endeavours to make an English plantation within this county. Would to God that all his neighbour's shires would do the like.— Bonratty, 22 August 1606.

P. 1. Signed. Sealed. Add. Endd.: "The Earl of Thomond to the E. of Salisbury."

827. The King to Sir Arthur Chichester. [Aug. 23.] Philad. P., vol. 1, p. 167.

Grant of a pension of 6s. by the day, of current money of Ireland, for his life, to Sir Thomas Cootes, his company being discharged and himself omitted among the discharged captains in the late establishment, to whom allowances were made for their own persons.—23 August, in the fourth year of the reign.

P. ½. Orig. Add. Inrol. Endd. by Chichester's clerk: "In the behalfe of Sr Thos Coach for his pension of 6s. per diem."

828. Sir Arthur Chichester to Attorney and SolicitorGeneral. [Aug. 28.] Carte Papers, vol. 61, p. 252.

Warrant for fiant of a pardon to Oliver Eustace of the country of Kildare, gentleman.—Munckton, 28 August 1606.

P. 1. Orig.

829. Sir Arthur Chichester to the Earl of Salisbury. [Aug. 29.] S.P., Ireland, vol. 219, 102.

Upon the discharge and departure of his friend, Sir Richard Trevor, from his late employments in this realm, thinks it fit to accompany him with his letter; wherein he will not trouble his Lordship with any long discourse of his good deserts, knowing that he, out of a general care and knowledge of all men's worths, must needs retain a memorial of one who hath followed the wars here a long time, not as an occupation, but out of a good disposition to deserve well of His Majesty and the State, joined with a charitable care of his son-in-law's estate in the Newry—being a piece of that importance that the safety thereof doth no less concern the good estate of this realm than it doth his son-in-law's private.

Doubts not but that his Lordship will have a due consideration of these. Upon the last establishment the Lord Crumwell had 30 foot allowed him, and they were appointed to be resident in the Newry; and forasmuch as there was no officer thought on or set down, and as his Lordship should be continually in Lecale, being far off, he (Chichester) has thought necessary to assign them one that should oversee them; hoping that his Lordship and the rest will approve it and allow thereof accordingly. And now, since Sir Richard Trevor departeth hence, and since the place requires the continual presence of an able man, he has placed at the Newry a very honest and discreet gent, Captain Maurice Griffith, one that hath been long experienced in that part, and is well affected to Mr. Bagnoil as being his near kinsman. The place doth necessarily require some charge, and he recommends that an allowance of some competent yearly fee should be assigned him, which will require somewhat the more consideration, in respect it is a bare entertainment, without expectation of any further benefits by the place. This he refers to Salisbury.—Monckton, near Dublin, 29 August 1606.

Pp. 2. Signed. Sealed. Add. Endd: "Sir Arthur Chichester to the Earl of Salisbury."

830. Examination of Gawen More and William Kilmeny, of the City of Glasgow. [Aug. 30.] S.P., Ireland, vol. 219, 102*.

Depose that Rory Earl of Tirconnel, accompanied by O'Boyle, came aboard the said Moore's bark, being of 12 tons burden, and demanded if she were fit for Spain or France.

Postill by Salisbury, nothing it as an absurd conceit that Tirconnel would run away, and suggesting that he sought a passage for Coconor Maguire.

This was confessed before Sir Henry Follyot.

P. 1. Endd.: "Examination of Gawen More & William Kilmeny, of Glasgow."

831. Lords of the Council to Sir Arthur Chichester. [Aug. 30.] Philad P., vol. 3, p. 139.

Sir Patrick Barnewall had complained of the damage he had suffered in a pending suit by reason of his late imprisonment in England. Amongst the rest he complained of the wrong done him by Sir Thomas Ashe in the matter of the wardship of Valerian Wesley, the grandchild of Gerot Wesley, Esq., by reason of his not bringing in certain deeds concerning that cause ordered by the Court to be brought in, but which he was unable to do by reason of his imprisonment. They had enclosed Sir Patrick Barnewall's petition. They urged that he should not suffer any prejudice of that sort through his late restraint.—Greenwich, 30 August 1606.

Signed: T. Ellesmere, Canc., J. T. Dorset, Suffolke, Gilb. Shrewsbury, J. E. Worcester, H. Northampton, Salisbury, J. Stanhope, J. Herbert.

P. 1. Orig. Add. Endd. by Sir Arthur Chichester: "From the LL.s of the Co., touchinge Sr Patrick Barnwall and Sr Thomas Ashe."

832. Sir A. Chichester to the Attorney and Solicitor- General. [Aug. 31.] Carte Papers, vol. 61, p. 205.

Warrant for fiant of grant of the office of John Hope, late one of His Majesty's pursuivants, to Thady Farrell, with a fee of 12d. per day, to begin from the 17th day of July last.— Munckton, the last day of August 1606.

P. 1. Orig.

833. Lords of the Council to Sir Arthur Chichester. [Aug. 31.] Philad. P., vol. 3, p. 97.

Conveying His Majesty's desire that Lord Barry, who has been again troubled by process for levying a fine imposed on him in the time of the late Queen (who had directed Lord Gray, then Lord Deputy, to raise the fine and pay it to Florence M'Carthy, but afterwards, in the 36th year of her reign, had directed stay to be made, on Lord Barry's representation of his disability to pay the same, and, on production of testimonies of his services since the time, had granted his pardon and remitted the fine imposed,) should be no more molested until further signification of His Majesty's pleasure.—Whitehall, 31 August 1606.

Signed: R. Cant., T. Ellesmere, Canc., J. T. Dorset, Suffolk, J. E. Worcester, H. Northampton, Salisbury, J. Stanhope.

POrig. Add. Endd.: "From yeL.L. In behalf of the L. Barry.

834. Concerning Reformation of Religion in Ireland. S.P., Ireland, vol. 219, 102 a.

Motives why religion should be enforced, especially in the cities of Munster, seeing that they will not by persuasion and fair means be brought to church.

Taking this for granted, that where there is little or no religion nor conscience to God, there can be no sound faith nor fidelity to man, religion therefore must be planted in Ireland; and first in the cities; for if cities be reformed, the country will follow, they being lanterns to the country round about, and the towns fell first away, the rest by their example.

Secondly, for the safety of the kingdom it is fit to begin with the cities and towns; for win them religion, and farewell rebellion:—they being held to be breeders of rebellion, as making the gain and profit thereby, for they have the pay of the soldiery, and the spoil of the country all comes into their hands.

Thirdly, the townsmen, understanding English, are more ready and willing to entertain religion, for there are few or no Irish preachers, and the country people understand little English.

Lastly, it is not possible but that, the flame of true religion breaking out in the towns, the sparks will fly abroad and kindle a fire in the country that will burn up all the weeds of barbarism in time. Religion in Germany, France, and the Low Countries took the beginning and seed of reformation from the cities.

That religion may be planted without the supposed difficulties.

First, the Irish generally make no great conscience of any religion; it is for the most part in external countenance and no solid substance in heart and affection. For proof hereof, as the Lords stand affected, so goeth religion current with the tenants. The Lord Bishop of Cork brings all his tenants with him to church at Rosse, where the resides, and hath an Irishman that expounds to them, to whom they are wonderfully attentive. Sir John Dowdall did the like with his tenants until they were chided, as they say themselves, by their neighbours of Youghall, and durst come no more. Sir Francis Barkly assumes the like conformity with his tenants.

Secondly, many expect and long to be enforced that they may have an excuse for their coming to church. For this only point of disfavour and discountenancing by their kinsfolk and neighbours in their private affairs, keeps many back that would fain come to church, if it were not for that lion that lies in their way; and those that live in the country do daily see that they are all maligned and deadly hated as devils and hell-hounds if they come once to church, and their Catholic wives will neither eat nor lie with their husbands if they be excommunicated for heretics, as presently they are by the priests if they come to the Protestant service. The priests prevail mightily throughout all Ireland with the women, and they with their husbands. This general disgrace that they receive upon their conformity, is a main reason that some who go not to mass, dare not come to church and communicate with Protestants.

Thirdly, there is a general combination, the priest taking oaths of all for their not coming to church. For (say they) if it abide not this trial, the King must either grant us a public exercise of our religion, or tolerate it by connivance, as heretofore. Now, because a kingdom must be divided if we mean to conquer it, therefore it is necessary (if not more than high time) to pluck some from them, that there may be a way made (at least for hope) to win the rest hereafter.

Fourthly, if Popery be suffered to nestle in Ireland (as yet it doth), seeing that the laws here are not so strict against recusants, both English priests and Papists will come over into Ireland and make their dens there, as they have done already, to the exceeding danger of both kingdoms.

Fifthly, if there be not a seconding of the course begun already for reformation, it is to be feared that the letting of it fall, either altogether or by degrees, (for the Irish are very subtle and cunning, and very hardly deceived,) will harden their hearts against any establishment hereafter. And they whom the care and industry of the governor, for the glory of God and His Majesty's service, without any second intention, hath brought to conformity in Kinsale, Youghall, and Dongarvan (some of principal note) will be discouraged, if they revolt not; and the mother cities, that, in the pride of their greatness, have held out all this while, will be confirmed in their malice, and, glorying in themselves that they are become holy confessors, will scorn and revile the too much forwardness of those that are come to church.

Sixthly, that the people should be enforced to come to church, their nature and condition is forcible to persuade it. For every cause of weight (not religion alone,) that is there preferred for His Majesty's service, hath always mighty adversaries, and lenity with them will work no conformity.

Seventhly, that there is great likelihood that religion might be planted in Ireland without any tumult. This is to be considered, that there was never yet any Irish martyr; and, if rebellion should happen upon reformation, it is old and inveterate malice that seeks and attends for all apt occasions of stirs, and not religion, that will be the cause; but rather, upon a breach with any foreign prince, they will be always more ready and ripe for rebellion, so long as they know no other religion but the doctrine of treasons and murdering of princes.

Eighthly, religion may be the more easily planted because the country is yet poor, and they have few or no good horses, and besides the countrymen that serve not in the Low Countries are as yet but besognes, and the plantations in the north and our union with Scotland are snaffles in their jaws to restrain them from excursions or rebellions as yet; for without foreign aid their force is as nothing.

Ninthly, the tyranny and incontinency of their priests and Jesuits have made a distaste in many of their religion, and their doctrine of rebellion leaves an ill savour behind it with some already; as may appear by the copy of a letter sent from Sir John Dowdall to the Lord President, which is presented herewith.

Lastly, the safe and secure laws against all Romish treason made not in England, and an uniform government in the church of Scotland, so much enforced may make them worthily fear and speedily expect that religion shall not be neglected, much less forgotten, in Ireland. Therefore, to conclude with one heating to make two nails, it shall rivet the State of Ireland, plant religion, and kill rebellion.

Pp. 3. No date [1606.] Not signed; but probably from Sir Henry Brouncker. (fn. 3) Endd.: "Concerning reformation of religion in Ireland." Encloses,

835. Sir John Dowdall to [Sir Henry Brouncker]. [July 23.] S.P., Ireland, vol. 219, 102 A. I.

Knowing his zeal for the reformation of this nation whereby they may know God and their duty to their natural Prince, thinks it right to inform him of a late discourse which he thought strange at such a people's hand. As he came through the town of Goram (Gowran) he walked into the church, where the townsmen had bestowed some charges in re-edifying the same, where some of the principal of them (whereof the Constable of Goram [Gowran] Castle, a kinsman of Father Archer, the traitor, was one) requested him to be a means to the Deputy or to the President that they might be furnished with a preacher and a schoolmaster; for that their church livings were sufficient to bear four vicars and a parson, but they had neither any to preach, teach, christen, or bury, but the church livings were bestowed by toleration out of the faculties, some unto children, some unto the canons of Kilkenny, and some others to St. Patrick's of Dublin, and never bestowed other office in teaching than the gathering up of the tithes by their proctors. And when he saw them so well affected as to desire to have a preacher and schoolmaster maintained by their church livings, he demanded of them how they could be so well affected, considering that all their fellow-countrymen desire the Romish superstitious service rather than the doctrine of the reformed church. They answered, that they have always been addicted thereunto, but the reason that now moves them to dislike therewithal is, that they are fallen into a due consideration of the difference of those two churches. The church reformed by the late ministers and established by our gracious King, preacheth doctrine of salvation in a known tongue, duty to God, obedience to the Princes, commanding love in a brotherly union one towards another, reproving murder, bloodshed, wars, and burning, whereby famine and plagues do ensue. The other church that they have been long acquainted with, commandeth disobedience to the Prince, magistrates, and governors established by his authority. They preach wars, to destroy by fire and sword all such as are not of their own opinion, they raise up debate, strife, envy, and malice in as many as they can sway with their counsel or advice, whereby many of their nation had perished, scarcely knowing the right hand from the left. Thus they have great cause to discern the one from the other, for the church reformed is of God, and commandeth peace and love, the church of Rome is of the devil and commandeth murder, as aforesaid. But the two former marks are the reason that they now desire a preacher and a schoolmaster to be maintained with their church livings. Promised them to deal with him [the Lord President] and with the Lord Deputy at his next going to Dublin. They will prefer a petition to this only. In the meantime he most humbly prays the Lord President to have them in remembrance, for they state that within the charge of that church are 2,000 souls.—Pilton, 23 July 1606.

Pp. 2. Hol. "Sir John Dowdall to [Sir Henry Brouncker]."

836. Enforcement of Conformity in the Cities of Munster. S.P., Ireland, vol. 219, 102 B.

Reasons why religion should be enforced in the cities of Munster, since by persuasion and fair means they will not be drawn to church.

Pp. 2. No date [1606.] Duplicate of No. 834; but not quite quite so full.


  • 1. See infra, p. 539.
  • 2. Qu. M'Kernan? See List of Jurors, supra, p. 537.
  • 3. See infra, No. 844, Sept. 12.