House of Commons Journal Volume 3: 12 June 1643

Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 3, 1643-1644. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.

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Die Lunæ, 12 Junii, 1643.


Taking Horses.

RESOLVED, That Colonel Malevrer shall be forthwith sent for, to answer to such Complaints as are and shall be objected against him.

Sir H. Vane, Sir Nevile Poole, Mr. Skinner, Mr. Leigh, Mr. Jepsen, Sir Wm. Armyn, Sir Tho. Walsingham, Mr. Blackiston, Sir Jo. Corbett, Mr. Wastall, Sir Jo. Hippisley, Mr. Cage, Mr. Recorder, Mr. Browne, Sir Rob. Pye, Sir Peter Wentworth, Mr. J. Jennour, Mr. Reynolds, Mr. Jo. Moore, Sir Tho. Barrington;

This Committee is appointed to take all Informations that shall be presented, concerning Colonel Malevrer and his Officers taking of Horses; and, likewise, the Informations that shall be given in, concerning the Officers of Mr. Marten, touching the taking of Horses, or any other; and are to report them to the House; and are likewise to consider how to preserve the Counties adjacent from having their Horses taken: And have Power to send for Parties and Witnesses: And are to meet this Afternoon at Two of Clock, in the Exchequer Chamber.

Committee of Accompts.

Ordered, That the Committee appointed to take Accompt of the Monies that have been received and issued, do meet this Afternoon; and that they shall have Power, any Four of them, to meet: And that Mr. Green be added to this Committee.

Harbouring ill-affected, Persons, &c.

Sir H. Vane, Mr. Jo. Moore, Mr. Vassall, Mr. Reynolds, Mr. Whittacre, are appointed to go to the Portugal Ambassador, and to Lewes Duke of Gelderland and Juliers, the Count of Egmont, &c. and to express unto them, that this State does intend all fair Respects unto Persons of their publick Condition and Quality; and, withal, that they are informed, that they do harbour and protect English and Scotch Subjects of the King of England, that are very dangerous Persons, and ill-affected to this State; which they are to desire them to consider of, and to forbear any such Act hereafter; or else, that this State must resent it, in such manner as is fitting.

They are likewise to acquaint them, that this House is informed, that there is frequent Resort of Papists, to hear Mass at their Houses; which they must be desired to forbear.

Restoring Horses.

Ordered, That the Bay Mare belonging to Mr. Scott of Camberwell, and the Bay Nag belonging to Mr. Moore of Camberwell, seized by Captain Ogle, or his Officers, be forthwith restored; and also one Mare, and one Nag, belonging to Mr. Wm. Stiles; and one Nag. belonging to Mr. Tho. Foster of Mottingham; be likewise forthwith restored unto them.

Money for Army.

Ordered, That it be especially recommended unto the Committees for Disposal of Monies, to take an especial care, that the Army be first furnished with Monies that shall come in.

Allowance for bringing in Monies

Resolved, &c. That Twelve-pence in the Pound shall be allowed, for such Monies as shall be brought in upon the several Acts of Parliament and Ordinances, excepting of such Monies as shall come in within this Month of June, upon the Ordinance for the weekly Assessments.

Committee for Accompts.

Ordered, That Mr. Glym be added to the Committee for Accompts of Six, in the Place of Mr. Young, who cannot attend that Service.

The Protestation.

Mr. Serjeant Cresheld, Sir Tho. Walsingham, Sir Edw. Master, Mr. Rich. Shuttleworth, Mr. Tho. Grantham, Sir Tho. Parker, this Day made the Protestation.

French Agent.

Sir Jo. Hippesley, Sir H. Ludlow, Mr. Dowse, are appointed to go to the House of De Bure, the French Agent, and inquire upon what Grounds and Warrant, Guards are set upon that House; and to discharge them, if they shall see good Cause: They are likewise to consider of the Cause and Ground of the Restraint of Two of the Servants of the French Baron sent from the King of France.

Message from Lords.

A Message from the Lords, by Sir Rob. Riche and Mr. Page;

The Lords have commanded us to let you know, that, heretofore, they sent down a Pass for the Lady Rivers to go into France, and for the Security and Safety of her Apparel; that she, and those about her, have paid all Things demanded by the Parliament; that, notwithstanding, there has been an Attempt to search her House, and to seize her Apparel: The Lords desire, you would concur in her Pass, and that she may have her Goods and Trunks safe in the mean *.

That there was a Member of this House, that had seized some Horses of the Earl of Leicester's, who is a Man well affected, and employed by both Houses: That he was a Peer of their House, and an Infringement of their Privilege; and did desire, that the Horses might be restored; and that both he and his Lady, might enjoy their Horses, without Violation of their Privileges.

Members not to go out.

Ordered, That no Member go out of the House, until the House take further Order.

Message to be considered.

Ordered, That the Message, now sent from the Lords, be taken into Consideration To-morrow Morning.

Proceedings concerning Earl of Portland, &c.

Ordered, That a Message be sent unto the Lords, to acquaint them, that this House is informed, that Two Lords of their House have a Hand in the Plot lately discovered; and to desire, that their Persons may be secured, and kept asunder; and none suffered to speak with them, till the Examinations be over: And that they may be examined, by a Committee of their House, in the Presence of a Committee of this House.

The Earl of Portland, and the Lord Viscount Conway, are the Two Lords.

Mr. Recorder is appointed to go with this Message to the Lords.

Sir Nevile Poole, Sir Wm. Armyn, Mr. Holland, Mr. Prideaux, Mr. Darley, Sir Tho Middleton, Sir Christ. Yelverton, Mr. Gurdon, Sir Jo. Corbett, are appointed to accompany the Messenger; and are all enjoined Secrecy.

Mr. Recorder brings Answer, that the Lords have named a Committee; and have appointed, that those Two Lords should be examined by that Committee, in the Presence of a Committee of this House; and have taken Order, that their Persons be secured, and that they be kept asunder.

Message from Lords.

A Message from the Lords, by Serjeant Finche and Doctor Aylett;

The Lords have agreed to the Ordinance concerning the Assembly, with the Proviso, as it was altered here; and likewise, to the Addition of the Word, "Scotland:" And as to the Order for taking the Vow and Covenant by those of the Assembly, they will consider further of it, and send Answer by Messengers of their own: They have given Order to their Clerk to print it, and to send out Summons.

Writings from Holland.

Ordered, That Mr. Corbett do deliver in to the House the Trunk of Writings sent out of Holland; and unto Mr. Speaker the Key of the said Trunk.

Answer to Lords.

Answer returned by the first Messengers; that this House has taken their Lordships Message into Consideration; and will send Answer by Messengers of their own.

King's Revenue.

Whereas the King's Revenue is now converted to the Maintenance of Armies and Forces raised against the Parliament and Kingdom, to the Destruction of both: And whereas it hath been formerly ordered by both Houses, that the said Revenue should be sequestred, and kept in the Hands of the sworn Officers thereunto appointed; of whom the same being demanded, for the Use and Service of the King and Parliament, Satisfaction hath been by them denied therein, upon Pretence of an Oath by them formerly taken: It is therefore thought fit, and Ordered, by the Commons, in Parliament assembled, that the Committee appointed for his Majesty's Revenue, shall forthwith consider of a Course for the more orderly and due bringing in and disposing of the said Revenue for the Service of the King and Parliament; and propose the same to this House.

Burton's, &c. Fines.

Ordered, That the Barons of the Exchequer do give Order, that no Process whatsoever do issue forth for levying the Fines imposed upon Mr. Henry Burton, Mr. Wm. Prym, and Dr. John Bastwick, according to the Order of the Twentieth of April 1641; and that all such Process be stayed.

Murray's Pass.

Ordered, That Mr. H. Murray, and his Lady, shall have Mr. Speaker's Warrant to pass into France, with their Children, and Servants, and other Necessaries; and also, for Four Nags.

Charge against the Queen.

Ordered, That the Charge presented against the Queen be recommitted to the same Committee; and they are to bring in the same on Wednesday Morning:


Ordered, That the Committee for Sequestrations do consider of appointing Fox Hall, or some other convenient Place, for Mr. Bishop, an Engineer, to work in, for the Service of the Kingdom.

Order for Printing.

Ordered, That Mr. Husbands, the Printer, do forthwith print a convenient Number of the Additions concerning the Twentieth Part: And this House will see him satisfied.

Fire at Caversham.

Ordered, That the Committee for maimed Soldiers, where Mr. Holland has the Chair, do consider of some Relief to be given to the Inhabitants at Caversham mentioned in the List, that received Loss by the late Fire at Caversham; according to the Recommendation of my Lord General in his Letter dated 30 Maii, 1643; or what other Course is fit to be taken for their Relief.

Commissioners to Scotland.

Ordered, That the Committee appointed to consider of Instructions for the Commissioners to be sent into Scotland, do prepare a Letter to be sent into Scotland, to give Satisfaction to the Assembly there, in case the Commissioners cannot be there timely enough.

Lords to sit.

Sir Robert Pye is appointed to go to the Lords, to desire them to sit awhile: And

Brings Answer, that they will sit awhile, as is desired.


Ordered, That the Ordinance for the Excise, and the List annexed, be recommitted unto the same Committee: Who are to meet this Afternoon at Three of Clock; and are to bring it in To-morrow Morning.

Proceedings concerning Earl of Portland, &c.

Sir Peter Wentworth is appointed to go to the Lords, to desire a Conference concerning the Examinations of the Earl of Portland, and the Lord Viscount Conway.

Ordered, That the Lords be acquainted, at this Conference, with the Examinations of Mr. Waller, touching the Earl of Portland, and the Lord Viscount Conway; and desire, that the said Two Lords may be committed; that none may speak with them, and that they may not speak one with another; and that they be not acquainted with the Examination.

Sir Peter Wentworth brings Answer, that the Lords will give a present Meeting at a Conference, as is desired.

Mr. Pym, Mr. Recorder, Mr. Solicitor, Sir Gilb. Gerard, Sir H. Vane jun. are appointed Managers of this Conference.

Sir Hugh Pollard.

Resolved, &c. That Sir Hugh Pollard be forthwith committed close Prisoner: And it is referred to the Committee for Examinations of the late Plot, to consider of the Place, and the Manner of his close Imprisonment; and that they give Order in it accordingly.

Courts of Justice.

Ordered, That all the Lawyers of the House be added to the Committee for Obstructions in the Courts of Justice; and that any Four of them shall have Power to meet.

Sir Norton Knatchboll.

Resolved, &c. That Sir Norton Knatchboll is within the Order of this House, of the Fourteenth of April; for refusing to meet, and join with the Committees, in the putting in Execution the Ordinances for raising of Monies in the County of Kent.

Letter referred.

Ordered, That the Letter from the Committee at Coventry, this Day read, be referred to the Committee for Examinations.

Letter referred.

Ordered, That the Letter from the Lord General, this Day read, be referred to the Committee for the Safety of the Kingdom: And they are to report their Opinions upon it To-morrow Morning.

Sir Norton Knatchboll.

Resolved, &c. That Order be given to the Committee for Sequestrations, in the County of Kent, to put the Order of the Fourteenth of April in Execution, against Sir Norton Knatchboll.

Message from Lords.

A Message from the Lords, by Sir Rob. Riche and Mr. Page:

The Lords have agreed to the Ordinance concerning Warwickshire, Staffordshire, Worcestershire, Shropshire, &c.; and to the Ordinance concerning Sir Tho. Middleton; and have conceived an Ordinance for the taking of Horses for the future, that none shall be taken within Thirty Miles of London, &c.; in which they desire the Concurrence of this House.

Taking Horses.

The said Ordinance was read; and referred to the Committee appointed to receive the Complaints touching the taking of Horses.-

Listing Horses.

Mr. Bainton is appointed to go to the Lords, to desire them to pass the Ordinance concerning the listing of Horses in London, Westminster, and Twelve Miles of either.-

Answer to Lords.

Answer returned by the same Messengers; that this House has considered their Lordships Message, and will send Answer by Messengers of their own.

Hyde's Estate.

Thomas Hamnett Hyde, of Northbury in the County of Chester, Esquire, deceased, was, at the time of his Death, possessed of a great personal Estate; died intestate; leaving behind him Eight of his Grand Children, altogether unprovided for, his Land all descending unto Edward Hide, their eldest Brother's Son, and Heir to Robert Hide, deceased, the only Child of Hamnett Hyde: And forasmuch as Letters of Administration cannot be taken by the Grand Children, nor any other on their Behalf, by reason that Dr. Merrick, Judge of the Prerogative Court, hath withdrawn himself to Oxford; and that all Persons whatsoever are prohibited to repair thither, by an Ordinance of both Houses of Parliament: It is therefore this Day Ordered, by the Commons, assembled in Parliament, That all the personal Estate, Goods, and Chattels, which did appertain unto the said Hamnett Hyde at his Death, be forthwith sequestred into the Hands and Custody of Huggin Hovell, John Dalby, and Rob. Grosvenor; who are hereby authorized to receive and take the same, and them to keep, until such time as Letters of Administration may be had and obtained, to the Use of the said Children; and this House shall take further Order: And the said Huggin Hovell, John Dalby, and Robert Groscenor, and every of them, are hereby authorized to ask, demand, receive, take, and seize the said Goods and Chattels, and the Issues and Profits therefore, to the Benefit and Use of the said Wm. Hide, and the Seven younger Children of the said Rob. Hide: Which this House doth declare to be a Work of great Charity; especially in these Times of common Danger and Distraction.