House of Commons Journal Volume 5: 21 July 1647

Pages 252-253

Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 5, 1646-1648. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.

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Die Mercurii, 21 Julii, 1647.



AN Ordinance for Payment of the Waggoners that have done Service to the Parliament, was this Day read the First and Second time; and with the Joining of Auditor Wilcox to Mr. Richardson, Waggonmaster General, it passed, upon the Question; and is ordered to be sent unto the Lords for their Concurrence.

Invalid Soldiers, &c.

The humble Petition of the maimed Soldiers, and Widows and Orphans of such as have been slain and died in the Service of the Parliament, during the late Wars, as do receive weekly Allowances in Christ Church (being Twenty-five Hundred in Number, or thereabouts), was this Day read:

And likewise the Ordinance for maimed Soldiers, and Widows of 28 Maii 1647. And

It is Ordered, That this Petition, and likewise the said Ordinance, of 28 Maii, be committed unto Mr. Bacon, Mr. West, Mr. Pury, Mr. Trefusis, Mr. Gewen, Mr. Holland, Colonel Ven, Mr. Ball, or any Three of them: Who are to consider of the said Petition, and of the said Ordinance; and to bring in Remedies for such Defects as obstruct the effectual Execution of the said Ordinance; to the end it may speedily take Effect through the whole Kingdom.

An Ordinance for Transferring of One Sixth Part of the additional Excise, for the Payment of maimed Soldiers, was this Day read; and, upon the Question, passed; and ordered to be sent to the Lords for their Concurrence.

An Ordinance for disposing One Moiety of the Fines of the Excise, to the Relief of maimed Soldiers, was this Day read; and re-committed unto the same Committee.

Ordered, That, on Thursday next come Sevennight, peremptorily, the First Business, the State of the Excise be taken into Consideration: And that no other Business do intervene: And that the Commissioners of the Excise do represent such Obstructions as do hinder the bringing in the Excise: And Mr. Speaker is to put the House in mind of this Order.

Officers Pentions.

The humble Petition of all the Officers in Sir John Norwich his List, was read.

The humble Petition of the reduced Officers and Soldiers, whose Names are in a List annexed, was read.

The humble Petition of Captain Thomas Burges, Thomas Wright Engineer, and others, in the Behalf of themselves, and divers other reduced Commission Officers, was read.

Abuses in Army Pay.

Ordered, That the Abuses in the Receiving and Payment of the last Monies, assigned and paid to the Officers and Soldiers of divers Lists, be referred to the Examination and Consideration of Sir John Evelyn of Wiltes, Mr. Blakiston, Sir Henry Vane, Mr. Scawen, Sir Henry Mildmay, Mr. Robinson, Mr. Holland, Mr. Pury, Colonel Ven, Alderman Pennyngton, Sir John Hippisley, Mr. Puresoy, Sir Henry Heyman, Mr. John Stephens, Mr. Challoner, Sir John Merrick, Sir John Danvers, Mr. John Gourdon, Mr. Brewster, Sir Wm. Strickland, Sir Symonds D'Ewes, Sir Robert Pye, Mr. Jesson, Mr. West, Mr. Ball, Mr. Swynfen, Colonel Wilson, Commissary Copley, Mr. Francis Pierpoint, Mr. Lillebone Long, Sir John Seymour, Mr. Knightley, Mr. Leman, Mr. Ashurst, Captain Gardiner, Mr. Dixwell; or any Five of them: And Auditor Broad, Auditor Wilcox, and Commissary Dudeny, are appointed to attend the Committee: And they have Power to send for Parties, Witnesses, Books of Accompt, Lists, Papers, Records: And are to meet this Afternoon at Two of Clock, in the Court of Wards; and so de die in diem: And are to report, with all convenient Speed.

Soldiers ceparting the Lines.

Ordered, That Mr. Alderman Pennyngton and Colonel Ven do give this House an Account To-morrow Morning, what the Committee of the Militia of London have done, in Execution of the Ordinance requiring the reduced Officers and Soldiers to depart the Lines of Communication.

Message to Lord.

Sir Henry Mildmay went to the Lords, to press them with the Weight of the Business; and to desire them to pass the Order for disbanding such Forces as are come off from the Army.

He likewise carried the Order concerning the Waggoners: The Order for Payment of Three hundred and odd Pounds to the poor People of Leeds: Order for Payment of Monies to Colonel Mazieres.

Ramsey's &c. Petition.

The humble Petition of Sir James Ramsey, General Lieutenant John Middleton, General Major Holborne, Colonel Henry Barclay, and other Officers, whose Names are inserted in the annexed List; a Letter from the Parliament of Scotland, from Edenborough, of 25 Martii, 1647, recommending the said Petitioners.

The List mentioned in the said Petition was read; and ordered to be referred to the Consideration of the forenamed Committee: Who are to consider of all; and to report their Opinions to the House: And Captain Vernon is appointed to attend this Committee: And they are to make Report with all convenient Speed.

Scotch Affairs.

Ordered, That, on this Day Fortnight, the Gentlemen of this House, employed as Commissioners into Scotland, do make Report of the Papers desired by the Parliament of Scotland to be communicated to this House.

Petitions to be considered.

Ordered, That the House do meet To-morrow Morning early; and resume the Consideration of the Petitions of Officers and Soldiers now read, and the Petition of the Auxiliaries of Westminster, and the other Petitions of Soldiers, and of distressed Persons, appointed to be read this Day.


Ordered, That, To-morrow Morning, the House do take into Consideration the Instructions for the Judges.

Answer from Lords.

Sir Henry Mildmay brings Answer, That the Lords do agree to the Order formerly sent unto them, for disbanding the Forces that are come off from the Army; and to all the Ordinances carried up by him.

Proposals from the Army.

A Letter from the Commissioners with the Army, of 18 Julii, 1647, Twelve at Night; wherein there is mention made of Proposals; was again read: And

Sir Thomas Widdrington made a general Report of the brief Heads of those Proposals.

A Letter from the Commissioners with the Army, from Reading, of 19 of Julii, 1647. with Two Papers inclosed, Yesterday read, were again this Day read.

The Question was propounded, That the House shall forbear to proceed upon these Propositions that are now sent from the Army, until such time as the Army shall make known to this House all other Proposals.

And the Question being put, Whether this Question shall be now put;

The House was divided.

The Noes went forth.

Sir Anthony Irby, Tellers for the Yea: 68.
Mr. Tate, With the Yea,
Sir Arthur Heslerige, Tellers for the Noe: 80.
Sir John Evelyn of Wiltes, With the Noe,

So that the Question passed with the Negative.

The Question was propounded, That the House shall take into Consideration the particular Propositions now sent from the Army, in Order as they lie, To-morrow Morning, the first Business; and nothing to intervene:

And the Question being put, Whether this Question shall be now put;

It passed with the Affirmative.

Resolved, &c. That the House shall take into Consideration the particular Propositions now sent from the Army, in Order as they lie, To-morrow Morning, the first Business; and nothing to intervene.