Letters and Papers: September 1539, 16-20

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Letters and Papers, Foreign and Domestic, Henry VIII, Volume 14 Part 2, August-December 1539. Originally published by Her Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1895.

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September 1539

16 Sept.
Titus B. I.,
B. M
This day, as the King washed his hands before dinner, he called us to him and asked our advice upon your lordship's letter to Mr. Heneage, adding "that he thought the More a goodly house and a place fit to receive the Count Palatine." As the said Count is so anxious for speedy audience he proposes that he shall come to him at More on Sunday next. After he had dined we considered your letters and repaired to him. After consultation he resolved: 1. That he will not be at Windsor till Monday, and on Tuesday will have my lord Lisle to bring the Count Palatine to Windsor; my lord of Suffolk to meet him two or three miles outside the town and bring him to his lodging, and next day to the King's presence. He is to be lodged at the Dean's house, which is to be hanged with the King's stuff, and Mr. Comptroller is to see him furnished with viands and drink at the King's charge. If the said Count declare things to the King's pleasure he may be entertained there longer, but if his charge be of no great weight he may return to London on Thursday and receive his answer from the Council. We then desired to know which of the Council he would have there, naming to him my lord Chancellor, Norfolk, Suffolk, Oxford, Sussex, and Hertford. He said he would have no more "save my lord of Suffolk to accompany him, and my lord Chancellor, naming of himself Mr. Treasurer." He desired us to send a post from hence to Suffolk, because his Highness is nearer my said lord here, than you at London, and to direct you to send for my lord Chancellor and Mr. Treasurer to be at Windsor on Monday night. You are also to resort to the said Count, bidding him welcome, and "feel whether you can grope out of him wherefore he is come." You shall afterwards show him the Tower and ordnance, if you think it advisable. You are also to cause the mayor and citizens to entertain him suitably. Ampthill, 16 Sept. Signed.
Pp. 3. Add.: My lord Privy Seal. Added by Wriothesley below the address: "Sir, meeting this letter on the way I was so bold to peruse it."
16 Sept.
R. O.
Wrote a letter by William London when he was last here. He gave me 20d. Sends by the present bearer because he wishes to hear of their health. His master, Sir Francis Bryan, and his lady are in good health. Woburn, 16 Sept.
Hol., p.: 1. Add. Added in a different hand, above the signature: "I was so late (?) in Lond' the win was past or I_."
16 Sept.
R. O.
Ellis 3 S., iii.
185. RIC. LAYTON, Priest, to CROMWELL.
I understand by Mr. Pollard, you marvel why I praised to the King, at the visitation, the abbot of Glastonbury, who now appears to have no part of a Christian man. I am a man, and may err and cannot know the inward thought of a monk, fair of outward appearance but inwardly cankered. Although they be all false, feigned, flattering, hypocrite knaves, there is none other of that sort. I beg you to pardon my folly and henceforth I shall be more circumspect whom I shall commend to His Grace or you. I "had never been but a basket bearer. but only by your goodness." Reading, 16 September. Signed.
P. 1. Add.: Privy Seal. Endd.: Ao xxxio. Dr. Layton.
16 Sept.
Lamenting the decision of the synod (Parliament) of London on Transubstantiation, &c., in consequence of which two of the most pious bishops (fn. 1) have been taken. In November there is to be a new synod (Parliament) at London, in which they will proceed to extremities with these persons who are at present only prisoners and many others (in dem man sorget dass es diesen Leuten so jetzt allein gefänglich gehalten werden, sampt vielen anderen ans Leben gehen werde); for there are many in England who know Christ truly and cannot keep silence. The King has therefore ordered strict watch to be kept at the ports that very few may escape. The crafty bp. of Winchester bears rule, who has warned the King that if he proceed with the Reformation it will lead to commotion and the principal lords of England will be against him. Henry yields to his suggestions the more readily because the Bp., who has been some time his ambassador in France, holds out to him a hope that Francis will also depose the Pope and ally himself with him on the understanding that the Reformation go no further. It is said a personal interview of the two Kings has been treated of, and perhaps already concluded. Winchester and other Bps. have devised this means to maintain themselves in their pomp, and to put themselves and their King in the Pope's place; for both Kings hate the marriage of priests, etc.
Comments further at considerable length on the situation in England. Strasburg, 16 Sept. 1539.
P.S.—Dare hardly say it, but it is true that their former ambassadors, the Vice-chancellor (Burchard) and Myconius, are inclined to those famous sophists in England. (fn. 2) Hopes this may yet turn out a mistake. Anyhow, the danger was such that they hurried home, in spite of the prayers of pious men in England, before the disputation was closed; for our opponents protracted matters in order to weary our men, that they might the better overthrow us after their return.
17 Sept.
R. O.
St. P., I. 616
Received Cromwell's letters early and sent Henaige to the King to tell him thereof. Read them to the King, who rejoiced at the good fortune of his servants in Ireland. As to the matter concerning the duchess of Milan, he paused a good while and then said, smiling, "Have they remembered themselves now?" Said that his servants are grateful for his good fortune in Ireland, "and now they to woo you, whom ye have wooed so long." He answered coldly, "They that would not when they might, percase shall not when they would." As to the order for the Count Palatine, he has changed no point otherwise than Southampton wrote yesterday. He desires Cromwell to travail after his accustomed fashion in the examination of the prisoners in the Tower. He wishes Cromwell to write about that and other things. He likes well "the sending forth of the maisters and the delivery of the money for Calsherdes Poynt." Excuses his delay in writing, but his clerk did not conceive his mind well and he was obliged to put pen to the book himself. Ampthill, 17 Sept., 5 p.m.
Hol., pp. 2. Add.: Lord Privy Seal. Endd.
17 Sept.
R. O.
Wrote to her from Canterbury, to send his sables and genetts. Has heard nothing of them. Cannot finish his gowns till he has them. Begs her to procure two pieces of good new French wine, from her friends [about] Abbeville or elsewhere. If she has any partridges, would like some. Has broken his mind to my lord Privy Seal, who will be his good friend. The Palsgrave desires his compliments. Lady Mores, my hostess, desires some of your walnut water for her sore eyes. Sends his remembrances to the lord Chamberlain, Wallopp, Ryngeley, and Mr. Porter. London, 17 Sept. Signed.
P. S. in his own hand: "I am sure Madame de Rew or Madame de Bor will help you."
In John Husee's hand, p. 1. Add.
17 Sept.
R. O.
I have spoken to Mr. Tywck's steward and other of his clerks, but there is no news yet of the lanards. Mr. Tywcke, they say, is not a little sorry that he cannot serve you. Further, whereas my Lord wrote to your Ladyship for his furs, Starkey says, as to the sables, the whole fur is at my Lord's skinners, John de la Noie. My Lord has spoken with my lord Privy Seal, who now entertains him very well. It is not yet known when my Lord will repair to Court. The King comes not to Windsor till Tuesday next. The Palsgrave would gladly see the King, but knows not yet when to go to him. My lady Mores would like some of your walnut water for her eyes. London, 17 Sept.
My Lord has this day had of Mr. Stacy, Mr. Cosworthe's partner, 14½ yds. black Lukes velvet for a gown.
Hol., p. 1. Add.
17 Sept.
R. O.
Has been a suitor to Cromwell, by late letters, for certain merchants of Exeter, whose goods have been seized in Biscay in Spain, as appears by a bill enclosed in the said letters. Desires remembrance that, by the King's letters into those parts, they may be restored to their goods: the bearer, a partner thereof, will await Cromwell's pleasure. Many merchants in the West have long since bought calf skins, and, by a restraint made for leather, cannot sell them to advantage. The skins are green and putrify: desires licence from the King that merchants in the West may sell such skins beyond sea, until Christmas next. All the King's Council of Devonshire and Cornwall are at Tavestocke, "and great appearance of suitors." Tavistock, 17 Sept. Signed.
Pp. 2. Add.: Lord Privy Seal.
17 Sept.
R. O.
I desire to be commended to lord Lisle. On receipt of Mr. Hussey's letter I conveyed your letter to Mr. Rescarrok and John Davy. All your friends and neighbours are in good health and desire your abode here. Mr. Eggecomb (fn. 3) is dead, a month ago. Before my coming hither, Wm. Shylston, who has a manor adjoining your manor of Frystoke, felled and sold 60 trees within your manor, but I summoned your tenants and carried away the trees into my Lord's wood and divided them among the tenants. Shylston has since claimed the ground and trees as his own freehold and threatens to vex my Lord's tenants, which must be defended. I have been informed that the priors of Frystoke and Shylston have before this "been in business," but in my judgment the ground is my Lord's, who is more able to defend his title than the priors were, and so I have showed Shylston. No woodsale can be made yet, for Mr. Copston, of Copston, has 50 acres in sale within a mile of Toryton. I have caused certain houses in Frystoke to be mended and covered. From Stevynston, my poor house, 17 Sept.
Mr. Ric. Pollard, with Sir Hugh and other of his friends, had good game at Umberlegh, and more was offered them.
Hol., p. 1. Add.: at Calais.
18 Sept.
Kaulek, 129
Villers Cotterets, 18 Sept.:—Letters of the Constable sent by Henry, courier of Boulogne, containing only that I should write to him what the Count Palatine had come to do here.
French. From an abstract in Marillac's letter book.
* A modern transcript is in R.O.
19 Sept.R. O. 194. CROMWELL to _.
According to the King's pleasure, signified to me by your letters, touching the dispatch of John Wynter to the sea, I have given him money for two months' victualling, wages, &c., according to the proportion drawn by me and Gonston, of which a copy is enclosed, amounting to 156l. 4s. 8d. I have also given him a commission on parchment which I pray you to get signed as soon as you can. The sooner he shall be rid, the more good he shall do, both in executing his commandment and transporting some part of the army, whereby he shall partly also alleviate the King's charges. I have written to ask the King's pleasure touching the sending forth of Edward Waters in the Mary Guldeford. I pray you that I may be advertised with all speed, for he waits only for my answer. I have put the signet to Winter's commission that there should be no cause for any tarrying there. For the better recourse of victual to you, and for scouring of the seas from pirates, the King has sent to sea two barks of 120 and 90 tons, well manned and ordnanced. (fn. 4); London, 19 Sept. Signed.
P. 1.
19 Sept.
Add. MS.
27,402, f. 41 b.
B. M
Safe conduct for Alan King and John Osborne, sent beyond sea on the King's business. The Moore, 19 Sept. 31 Hen. VIII.
Modern copy, p. 1.
19 Sept.
R. O.
Rymer, XIV.
Surrender of the house and all its possessions in cos. Bucks, Oxon, and Ntht., and elsewhere in England, Wales, and the marches thereof. 19 Sept. 1539, 31 Hen. VIII. Signed by Alice Baldwen, abbess, and 9 others. [See Deputy Keeper's Eighth Report, App. II., 12].
Seal somewhat injured.
Enrolled [Close Roll, p. 2, No. 18] as acknowledged, same day, before John London, clk., King's commissioner.
R. O. 2. Certificate of Dr. John London, to Sir Ric. Riche, that he has taken the surrender of the house ensuing and assigned pensions, which he begs may be ratified. Burnham, 22 Sept. 31 Hen. VIII.
ii. Nunnery of Burnham:—Alice Baldwyne, in consideration that she redeemed her house and left it in a competent state, 13l. 6s. 8d., Anne Benefilde, 4l., Marg. Browne, 3l. 6s. 8d., Anne Noris (besides another pension of 26s. 8d.) 40s., Alice Celles, (fn. 5) Eliz. Woodforde, Marg. Mosse, Bridget Woodwarde, (fn. 5) Lucy Pachett and Eliz. Loo, 40s. each. Signed.
P. 1. Add.: Chancellor of Augmentations.
Asks for the nunnery of Burnam beside Windsor, if it is suppressed, especially the demesnes, which may be a great preferment to him in consequence of a suit he has "unto" a gentlewoman who lives near. The demesnes are worth about 40l. a year. Signed.
P. 1. Endd.
19 Sept.
R. O.
This Friday I received your letter of Wednesday last, showing that you wish me to be at Windsor on Monday next. Cannot be there on such short warning for divers reasons, and begs Cromwell to make his excuse. Sharland, Friday, 19 Sept.
Hol., p. 1. Add.: Privy Seal. Endd.
20 Sept 199. CROMWELL.
20 Sept.
R. O.
St. P. I. 617
Received Cromwell's letters while the King was at dinner, after which he read them, with those from Flanders, Venice, and France, and from the archbp. of Canterbury. He thanks Cromwell for his entertainment of the Count Palatine and the ambassadors of the duke of Cleves and Gelders. He desires the ambassadors of Cleves to be told that the Count will come to Windsor on Tuesday and have audience on Wednesday, and Cromwell is to ask them whether they will come while the Count is with the King or wait till he has heard him. As to the news of Flanders and Venice, he thought long ago they would come to this point, adding what dishonour it was to the Emperor to practise the stealing of the duke of Cleves' towns and the handling of the Count Palatine.
He will not resolve about the merchants going to the Mart until Cromwell comes to him, which he wishes to be on Sunday or Monday. He does not wish Cromwell to trouble his head to personally examine the prisoners in the Tower, until these great matters are over. He wishes the abp. of Canterbury warned to be with him on Monday at Windsor. The King has sent him Cromwell's letters of 20 Sept., by Denny, which he takes in very good part and desires you to put all other matters out of your head saving his great weighty causes. The More, Friday, (fn. 6); almost 10 p.m., 20 Sept. Signed.
Pp. 3. Add.: Privy Seal. Endd.


  • 1. Latimer and Shaxton.
  • 2. The text appears to be doubtful and is printed by the Editor thus:—" .. es ist aber leider wahr, unsre vorigen Botschafter, der Vicekanzler und Myconius sind fromme gelehrte Männer, aber dass sie gegen denen berühmten sophisten so Engelland hat, geneigt (?) sind, begehre ich es habe noch Fehl,"
  • 3. Sir Piers Edgecombe.
  • 4. This sentence is struck out.
  • 5. These have 6s. 8d. in addition, added later.
  • 6. The 20 Sept. 1539 was Saturday, not Friday.